Okay, if I buy a new crash instead of a pair of New Beats.

I want a crash that has lots of body, versatile, quick decay..

Something Medium-Thin.

Apart from that, your criteria are so vague, it's hard to advise. Avoid Z Customs, AA Metal-X, etc.

Yeah I know to avoid those lines.I want a cymbal I can use for Hardcore music, but still be able to use for just rock.

Hi gize, I'm looking for a small effect cymbal, so a splash or mini china or china kang or something. Has to be versatile and provide a reasonably quick accent but with quite a rich-bodied sound. Preferably from 8-12".

Anyone with any experience in these, I'm looking at the Sabian AAX, AA, Zildjian A Custom, Paiste RUDE(probably not), and Istanbul Alchemy rock at the moment.

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well at that size it should be reasonably quick. I recomend oriental chinas, a custom splashes or other brand equvilents.

[quote=Snarz;15442719]Okay, if I buy a new crash instead of a pair of New Beats.

I want a crash that has lots of body, versatile, quick decay..[/quote]

AAXplosions...without a doubt...

If you're using it for hardcore go with 19" or 20"

[QUOTE=Snarz;15442719]Okay, if I buy a new crash instead of a pair of New Beats.

I want a crash that has lots of body, versatile, quick decay..[/QUOTE]

wait, I just saw this post.....what?

seafroggys you said it yourself...New Beats ****ing suck.

Prove it ;)

[quote=Stickman Sam;15474974]Hi gize, I'm looking for a small effect cymbal, so a splash or mini china or china kang or something. Has to be versatile and provide a reasonably quick accent but with quite a rich-bodied sound. Preferably from 8-12".

Anyone with any experience in these, I'm looking at the Sabian AAX, AA, Zildjian A Custom, Paiste RUDE(probably not), and Istanbul Alchemy rock at the moment.

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10" UFiP Samba Splash: check cymbalsonly.com for a mp3 of it.

[quote=Snarz;15442880]Yeah I know to avoid those lines.I want a cymbal I can use for Hardcore music, but still be able to use for just rock.[/quote]

19" A Custom Medium.

^this. Well tbh any sort of big med. crash would do it.


Anyone ever tried the Paiste Giant Beat cymbals? I've been reading about them and they sound in theory really nice. Also the sound clips sound quite nice.

I have however heard that they're not very loud. Anyone got any idea if they'd be loud enough to keep up with 15" hats and 24" ride(both 2002) and like full on band situation(amps and pas etc but no drum mics)?

For reference music I play ranges from electric blues(cream, hendrix etc) to classic rock(sabbath, maiden, deep purple etc) to alt rock(RATM, audioslave etc) to more mainstream rock(RHCP, foo fighers etc).

Any one help?



(that was long winded lol)

china: soft rock to heavy rock. 17-19 prolly. looking into AA's, AAX's, A Custom, K Custom, China boy hi/low (btw what is the difference in the hi and lows. i really cant tell much but that is from the online deal so could be way bigger in person) im looking for a crash too. same genre. i have a 16'' a custom crash at the moment but i definately need something a bit bigger for unmiced gigs. sorry if its too vague. i dont know exactly what i want yet. just trying to get ideas.

[QUOTE=fastlane;15500218]china: soft rock to heavy rock. 17-19 prolly. looking into AA's, AAX's, A Custom, K Custom, China boy hi/low (btw what is the difference in the hi and lows. i really cant tell much but that is from the online deal so could be way bigger in person) im looking for a crash too. same genre. i have a 16'' a custom crash at the moment but i definately need something a bit bigger for unmiced gigs. sorry if its too vague. i dont know exactly what i want yet. just trying to get ideas.[/QUOTE]

Might want to try AA Medium-thin or even Medium. The medium-thin might be more versatile for soft rock, but the medium is definitally killer for heavier rock.

I need a second ride that is mainly used for crashing. My main ride as of now is a 20" K Heavy, which is a great ride, just not ideal for crashing.

Look at the A Custom rides. Very nice crash sound.

Also, the K Custom Hybrid ride has a VERY nice crash sound (at least what I've heard on the sound clips).

What kind of crash sound?

As it is a ride, a BIG powerful crash sound? and longer lasting? Also the brilliant finish might make it bright? Just a guess...

hey guys, i might actually have a job in the next few weeks and that means ill have money =) im looking at hi-hats again, since i had some unexpected expenses i had to pay for last time i was seriously looking for hats (about 3 months ago). i'm looking for hats that have a bright closed sound with a warmer half open sound (if thats even possible).

the cymbals that i paricularly like are the Bosphorus 14" versa and the ottoman jazz hi-hats by istanbul mehmet.

what can you tell me about them and there diversity.

also any one hear of the Saluda and any of there cymbals?

I don't now about the Ottomans, but Bosphorus are always a good bet. I don't know the range personally, but if you like them, I don't see what should stop you.

I was going to say it may be worth investigating having a brilliant finish top hat for that brilliant closed sound, but a darker, traditional finished cymbal for the warmer open sound. Just a thought.

[QUOTE=ant_182;15504639]As it is a ride, a BIG powerful crash sound? and longer lasting? Also the brilliant finish might make it bright? Just a guess...[/QUOTE]

I meant what kind of crash sound does the guy want. Perhaps I should have made it clearer.

And both the cymbals that crazyguy mentioned are quite thin, which is why they crash well, so chances are they can make as big or small a crash sound as you want. In fact, I know the Hybrid is as versatile as you want. I've played the ride, hats and crashes. In fact, i played them earlier today. Love the sound of them.

Anyway, what kind of crash sound do you want from your ride, Sabian4015?

[QUOTE=spirit;15505041]
I was going to say it may be worth investigating having a brilliant finish top hat for that brilliant closed sound, but a darker, traditional finished cymbal for the warmer open sound. Just a thought.[/QUOTE]

how much extra would that be, if any. or should i contact a dealer?

[QUOTE=mullets suk;15505059]how much extra would that be, if any. or should i contact a dealer?[/QUOTE]

Well, any dealer will be able to get you any single hat in any size from any range from any company they deal with.

You know Zildjian's K/Z Combo hats? K top, Z bottom for warm sound with a strong chick. They started listing them because they became popular, possibly due to Weckl playing them back in the day when he was with Zildjian. Point is, you can do that too, you just have to ask. The only thing to be wary of is whether you'll like the sound.

Head to a store, and ask if you can play about with the hi hat configurations for a while. If it's any kind of decent shop, they'll have no problem with that, and may even have more advice to offer if you tell them what you're looking for.

the closest shop around me isnt that great, and most likely wouldn't let me really see them unless i should i was really interested in buying. Thanks for the info, i did email cymbalsonly about pricing, so hopefully ill hear back from them soon. (again sorry if i insulted you in the other thread)

thanks seafroggys. ill check it out next time im at a music store that carries one. id definately like to try some sabian. all i have now are zildjian but ive kinda got over having all one brand.

[QUOTE=mullets suk;15505894]the closest shop around me isnt that great, and most likely wouldn't let me really see them unless i should i was really interested in buying. Thanks for the info, i did email cymbalsonly about pricing, so hopefully ill hear back from them soon. (again sorry if i insulted you in the other thread)[/QUOTE]

Oh, no problem, here or in that other thread. I suppose I should have posted the second post first and the first one not at all. :p

Hey dude, sorry, I read it as you asking what the dude above you said about the cymbals sound lol. I'm debating a K hybrid and A Custom ride =/ and the size... ideas?

anyone here of saluda cymbals. they are cheaper then the versas, at around $150. their are no sound files though, so i have no idea if i should go with the sure thing at around $300 or the smaller company with out hearing it first.

i emailed saluda drums and they recommended these:
14" Diamond Medium Hats (thinner darker top with heavier bottom)
14" Diamond/Black Mist (medium dark top with regular bottom)

any ideas anyone.

i was looking around on sabians sound check and i noticed the rocktagons sond pretty good, and they sound like theyd suit my sound,

has anyone had any experience with these? are they good or just gimmicky,

any info would be appreciated

[QUOTE=ant_182;15508265]Hey dude, sorry, I read it as you asking what the dude above you said about the cymbals sound lol. I'm debating a K hybrid and A Custom ride =/ and the size... ideas?[/QUOTE]
K CUSTOM HYBRID

BUY IT

BUY IT NOW

:smash::smash:

[QUOTE=mullets suk;15508883]anyone here of saluda cymbals. they are cheaper then the versas, at around $150. their are no sound files though, so i have no idea if i should go with the sure thing at around $300 or the smaller company with out hearing it first.

i emailed saluda drums and they recommended these:
14" Diamond Medium Hats (thinner darker top with heavier bottom)
14" Diamond/Black Mist (medium dark top with regular bottom)

any ideas anyone.[/QUOTE]
No duh we've heard of Saluda cymbals. Hmm... I'm going to say this:

NEVER BUY ANYTHING MUSIC RELATED WITHOUT HEARING IT FIRST

[QUOTE=iamjoe2;15540345]i was looking around on sabians sound check and i noticed the rocktagons sond pretty good, and they sound like theyd suit my sound,

has anyone had any experience with these? are they good or just gimmicky,

any info would be appreciated[/QUOTE]
They have an interesting sound, for sure. If you like em, buy em.

Hi hats.

14".

Brightish.

Not A Custom bright.

Maybe a dark/bright hybrid.

Go.

14 (OK, 13 3/4") K Custom Hybrids

Perhaps.

[url]http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/
Paiste-Signature-Series-Reflector-Dark-Crisp-HiHat-Cymbal-Pair?sku=447478[/url]

[quote=spirit;15540991]14 (OK, 13 3/4") K Custom Hybrids[/quote]

It's actually 13.25

[QUOTE=enemytopublic2;15544644]It's actually 13.25[/QUOTE]

Ach, I knew it was .25" from one of the usual suspects.

Ah well, cheers for the correct.

Hey all

Ok, I'm looking to expand my cymbal set and this is the first time buying so I dont know what bright, dark hybrid etc is, haha.

Im Looking for some hi-hats, 2 crashes and a ride. I play punk rock so anything that will suit that type of music such as Green Day, Blink 182 etc etc... One crash for repeat hitting like in the chorus and then the other one to accent it, at say the end of a line if you understand, lol, I really am new :P

Looking around mid price range and Im not bothered about brand just that they sound good and will last awhile :D

Thanks alot.

do you currently have cymbals? if so which ones.

i ask this because if you already have some entry level cymbals such as B8s or zxt's then you should just save up until you afford top of the line cymbals. either that or buy some more of these to fill in for what you don't currently have.

buying mid range cymbals is a big waste of money. you won't be the least bit happy with the purchase because you'll come to realize that for a little more you could have gotten something that sounds really nice. also, mid range cymbals don't sound any better really.



i always say, buy entry level cymbals, learn proper technique so that you won't break expensive and thinner ones, then once you've saved enough, go for top of the line.

a custom crashes, a custom hi hats :) ( i know they're pro level)

Ok.

I've got a stock 18" Pearl Crash Ride atm. I think your right about the mid price range, I've been playing for around 1 and a hlaf years so hopefully I wouldnt break them.

About the A Custom Cymbals, which models are sizes would be best as I dont want to waste my money on something that I don't want.

Thanks

you really need to make sure you are gonna like the sound. a customs are common for that style, however, i hate them quite a bit. their hi hats aren't bad though.

i much prefer a series crashes and rides. the point i'm making is: if at all possible try them out at a store. if that's not possible, at the very least, listen to them on zildjian's web site.