haha, the irony of my last post.
The need for more creative conversation and I reply with that.

[QUOTE=lost_profits]haha, the irony of my last post.
The need for more creative conversation and I reply with that.[/QUOTE]

isnt your user name a unsigned band?. i saw the lost profits at their free madison show the other week. good stuff

[QUOTE=Jude]You're right. We need more topics for discussion in this thread.

How is it that Metallica threads can go on for 5 times as many posts as this one? What do they TALK about?[/QUOTE]
It's the first place all the n00bs go, and that accounts for a large majority of the posts there.

First opeth song I heard was The Moor. I've been hooked ever since.

alright, intelligent discussion in the making :rolleyes:

Per adds no backing vocals o nthe new album, but he does so live, and I think he has a great voice.

anyone dislike the fact that Per didn't add anything vocal wise?
and what do you thiink of Per's voice, and any thoughts from Mikeal why he coose to not add Per?

I think Per has an amazing voice, on my dvd, when they sing "Harvest"..I was like " Oh my god, that blows away anything I could ever write" it sounds so much better live than the studio version IMO...

[QUOTE=lost_profits]Does anyone else think 'Harlequin forest' meanders around to a point where it just sounds directionless?[/QUOTE]

I like the 1st half, but then it turns into a bunch of breakdown riffs that thankfully aren't like metalcore breakdowns, but gets kinda bland imo. I don't know what Opeth were going for there.

So is anyone going to the LA show on Oct. 16th? I might actually skip out on this one because I have a really important group project for school the next day and we were planning on meeting sunday evening. It sucks, but if Opeth comes around again next year, I'm ok with it. And if I skip out, I'm looking to sell my ticket for $15 if ticketmaster doesn't refund my ticket.

[QUOTE=epihasi]I think Per has an amazing voice, on my dvd, when they sing "Harvest"..I was like " Oh my god, that blows away anything I could ever write" it sounds so much better live than the studio version IMO...[/QUOTE]
Definatly. Pers a nice addition to the band indeed, but sometimes the keyboards are a bit over done... I wish he'd just take the backseat during some parts on Ghost Reveries. And yeah, he should have done some backing vocals to... Silly Mike trying to take the spotlight..

[QUOTE=Cain]The reason I almost never post in this thread is because the discussion is incredibly cyclical and boring. It consists of users consistently repeating literally hundreds of times what their favorite Opeth songs are, and then that monotony is broken by new users asking for recommendations, which is followed by hundreds of "Get BWP, or maybe Still Life or Morningrise, or wait **** it every album by Opeth is amazing so good luck :thumb:."

:rolleyes:

I like how I've attempted to discuss Flynn's point of view with him and he has completely ignored my posts, only responding to those who agree with him. I don't think he's a bad poster, but I think the level of fanboyism in this thread is higher than in any other official thread and so the discussion is more stagnant than a bloody swamp.

It's really unbecoming to ignore attempts at detailed discussion. Even if you're too lazy to come up with rebuttal, at least acknowledge it instead of ignoring it. I hate coming into this thread and trying to come up with contrary arguments to spark discussion, because everybody is invariably like:

"Oh...what? You don't think this is good? Well I do, opinions are opinions, deal with it, Opeth are amazing. :D

Back to how much 'The Drapery Falls' rules for the millionth time..."[/QUOTE]

Right on the mark with that.

Hello. I don't mean to interrupt anything that is going on in here or nothing, but I like Opeth and I want to buy one of their albums. Which album is best. :)

[QUOTE=DaveTheAmazing]Hello. I don't mean to interrupt anything that is going on in here or nothing, but I like Opeth and I want to buy one of their albums. Which album is best. :)[/QUOTE]
Well I'm biased to their older stuff....but if you are starting out I would get Blackwater Park, then their older stuff. I wouldn't really recommend Ghost Reveries....but hey, I guess you could give it a whirl.

Blackwater Park it is. Opeth may just become my next obsession from what I've heard.

[QUOTE=DaveTheAmazing]Blackwater Park it is. Opeth may just become my next obsession from what I've heard.[/QUOTE]
Welcome to the club. Have you ever listened to them before?

Notice how the intro to The Ghost of Peridition is similar to Whens intro... but not as good... Both are good though..

Ghost of Perdition is my favorite song of GR,
but I don't really like GR at all actually :(

[QUOTE=DaveTheAmazing]Hello. I don't mean to interrupt anything that is going on in here or nothing, but I like Opeth and I want to buy one of their albums. Which album is best. :)[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=Cain]Get BWP, or maybe Still Life or Morningrise, or wait **** it every album by Opeth is amazing so good luck :thumb:." [/QUOTE]

I don't think anyone could have said it better.




:upset:

I had to.

moonlapse vertigo is my favourite metal song since ever.

[QUOTE=Lydisk]moonlapse vertigo is my favourite metal song since ever.[/QUOTE]
My least favorite from Still Life... still decent.

Serenity Painted Death is where it's at.

White Cluster \m/

[QUOTE=Scruples]Serenity Painted Death is where it's at.[/QUOTE]


I can't get enough of that song. I love every second :evil:

Face Of Melinda and The Moor are my favorites from that album... :p

Godhead's Lament and SPD remain my favorite off that album.

I just love the pinch harmonic in the SPD riff.

Yeah thats a sweet riff.

I like Face Of Melinda and Serenity Painted Death are my fav still life songs. I love the solo and the riffs right after the solo on SPD..the riffs are so depressing to me.

I would say Ghost of Perdition is the best song on Ghost Reveries. Every part of it is good while some parts of other songs drag a little, just a little. Its still all better than anything thats played on the radio.

[QUOTE=bball_1523]I like Face Of Melinda and Serenity Painted Death are my fav still life songs. I love the solo and the riffs right after the solo on SPD..the riffs are so depressing to me.[/QUOTE]


Yeah they are, yet uplifting at the same time. Still Life, as a whole, is unique.

I haven't posted in here for a while, much because of the same reason as Cain. Since i haven't posted in here for a while, i would like to know everyone's Ghost Reveries opinion. Personally, i found it VERY weak. Mike's Vocals, whilst everyone is praising them, i find them to be one of his worst vocal performances from a BAND perspective. In earlier records, his vocals were sung with a very background feel, sounding like he was some kind of haunting spectre. I mean, who can forget the clean vocals from April ethereal or The moor? He had seperated himself from the audience, rather than the new cd, which sounds more personal, vocally wise. (remember all my opinion, arguments welcome:)) Brecht enhanced theater by seperating his actors from the audience, taking the personal quality from the audience. Mike HAD mastered that i feel, but the new record doesn't show it.

His writing has also gone to sh!t. This new album feels like he has just thrown in acoustic passages or a heavy section just for the hell of it, there is really no need for many parts of ghost reveries. Atonement is probably my favourite track on GR, only because it was something fresh and it did flow, mostly. Speaking of his writing ability, his originality is dead, I have seen some people talk about how certain sections from GR sound similar to something from Blackwater park or My arms your hears etc. He seems to be using very similar chord patterns, focusing around the minor bar chords once again, i think. His triads and solo scales are also very repetitive.

I just cannot stand GR aside from Atonement.

I seem to be one of the few people here who find it fantastic. TGC is probably the weakest track for me, and that's because there's no contrast. I really like the album, and find the criticism, especially for the riffs, unfounded.

My favorite Opeth album is Still Life, and really, I think there are less memorable riffs on that then GR.

But everyone's entitled to their opinion I suppose.

[QUOTE=Creeping_Deth]I seem to be one of the few people here who find it fantastic. TGC is probably the weakest track for me, and that's because there's no contrast. I really like the album, and find the criticism, especially for the riffs, unfounded.

My favorite Opeth album is Still Life, and really, I think there are less memorable riffs on that then GR.

But everyone's entitled to their opinion I suppose.[/QUOTE]

I agree TGC is their weakest track, but everything else is top notch opeth imo. I dig the first two songs as my favorites.

[QUOTE=Creeping_Deth]I seem to be one of the few people here who find it fantastic. TGC is probably the weakest track for me, and that's because there's no contrast. I really like the album, and find the criticism, especially for the riffs, unfounded.

My favorite Opeth album is Still Life, and really, I think there are less memorable riffs on that then GR.

But everyone's entitled to their opinion I suppose.[/QUOTE]

I agree totally.

'Cept, MAYH would fall into my number one slot. :p

I respect Greys opinion, but I dont agree with some of it.

[quote]there is really no need for many parts of ghost reveries.[/quote]

[quote] His triads and solo scales are also very repetitive.
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I really don't understand this. Take a listen to the main 3 songs on Deliverance and tell me there isn't repetitivness. Wreath, Masters Aprentisses and Deliverance. But its just not that album! Theres more! Blackwater Park had some too....lets not forget the aggonising long end part of the self-titled song.

The truth is Opeth had some really long streches of repetitivness in some albums, and no fan ever pointed it out! Now that they are ditching some of those long streches, everyones jumping ship. I think this is where some of Opeth's true skill come into play, coming up with new and fresh ideas of keeping the interest of the listener, and keeping the song unique.

Anyway, just my opinion. :)

One thing that I have noticed is that ever since Still Life, whenever Mikael plays a chord-based rhythm, it tends to use the EXACT SAME rhythm. Duuh-duh-duh-duh-duh! Duuh-duh-duh-duh-duh!

I can see the critiques about heavy/acoustic relationships on this album. I see the keyboards replacing the guitar leads that added so much mood to previous efforts, and since the keyboards haven't become an integral part of Opeth's sound yet the focus is on the admittedly weak rhythm writing (which was always there to an extent, but there were sufficient embellishments to overlook it, in a sense).

I have confidence that the excellence of writing will resume when Opeth returns to focusing on creating moods and feelings rather than an idea of what their sound should be.

Mikael has been notoriously impatient with styles when he feels that they can be taken as far as they can go (as with Morningrise) but on the last few albums I feel like he's been promising drastic change and we haven't gotten it, really. The result is still very high quality but it doesn't mean that he's lived up to the promise. Remember when Deliverance was supposed to be their heaviest album ever and ****ation was going to be a full exploration of their acoustic side? Remember when Ghost Reveries was supposed to be a black metal album? To be honest, before everyone starts dishing out blows to Roadrunner again, I think a lot of that has to do with fan pressure: there are huge numbers of fans that want everything to stay more or less the way it was on Still Life and Blackwater Park in terms of overall structure. The Catch-22 is, in responding to that desire, Opeth's music sounds re-hashed, which ends up leaving even the fans who REQUESTED that sound's constance displeased with the end result.

Also, I've come to the conclusion that Lopez's drumming style is almost entirely inappropriate to a metal setting at this point. It's a virtuosic drum style in the context of rock and heavy jazz, but for metal music the heavy focus on the ride cymbal--not to mention the general sixteenth feel of his beats, leaving no room for any groove or "hot space"--just KILLS the headbanging potential of some of Ghost Reveries' riffs.

Mikael needs to muster up some guts and truly live up to his promise of change. Unfortunately, the change should have occured on "Deliverance" and "****ation." It'll be harder to do an about-face now that they're on a major label. On the other hand, it's by no means impossible. Major labels have been known to give bands that play to a selective and hardcore fanbases (such as Dream Theater) total creative freedom and the option to take their music in any direction they choose, so I would say that the best thing to do is for nobody to fret and have some faith in the band's integrity.

When the keyboards get stronger and more integrated, Mikael focuses on creating an evocative mood, and the relationship of the rhythm section to the guitars becomes more solidified (and the wimpy rock drum style is ditched), we'll have another BWP. I might also reiterate that tons of people thought Mikael's writing went to **** on MAYH, at the time. Fans are just fickle.

[QUOTE]One thing that I have noticed is that ever since Still Life, whenever Mikael plays a chord-based rhythm, it tends to use the EXACT SAME rhythm. Duuh-duh-duh-duh-duh! Duuh-duh-duh-duh-duh![/QUOTE]

The 3/4 time half note, then 4 16th notes go back beyond that. I'm thinking of When, Demon of the Fall, and Forest of October use that in at least one instance, and I'm sure those aren't the only songs. I guess it's more noticable (although it only sticks out to me since I learn some of these parts) in the later chunk of albums since they put more of those sections in.

Learning The Drappery Falls intro mutated most of my rhythms to the same thing :(. It took me a while to get over even though I still do use it since it's quite simple.

So are you guys saying that most of their songs have the same rythm?

[QUOTE=UpperDecker]So are you guys saying that most of their songs have the same rythm?[/QUOTE]

Cetain parts do.

Drapery falls intro, Demon of the Fall intro, When riff right before the solo, TNATSW Emin-Esus2 riff (if I recall correctly). I could probably put more down if I went through every song.

I wouldn't say most, but that rhythm is Opeth's friend.

Ok i see what you're saying. I still think they all are pretty unique (with each song having so many different riffs and stuff). When i first bought Blackwater Park i thought that Harvest sounded like The Drapery Falls, the intro that is. I think they should have put another song between these two tracks.

Anyone going to see Opeth live in Montreal with Nevermore?

I'm going!!! Can't wait!! It's gonna be sick!!!!!!!!!!!!

I agree with pretty much everything Cain has said, except I do like some of the vocal work on the album, and I do like D&D.

[QUOTE=Cain]
Also, I've come to the conclusion that Lopez's drumming style is almost entirely inappropriate to a metal setting at this point. It's a virtuosic drum style in the context of rock and heavy jazz, but for metal music the heavy focus on the ride cymbal--not to mention the general sixteenth feel of his beats, leaving no room for any groove or "hot space"--just KILLS the headbanging potential of some of Ghost Reveries' riffs.
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Such as? I'm failing to remember any instances where I felt that way at all. I personally think Lopez's style fits the band perfectly and miss him sorely. Although I will agree that he shines during the lighter moments - his best playing by far was on the Dam nation record - I don't necessarily see this as a bad thing. Quite simply, the Dam nation record would not be what it was without Lopez on it, and I value the album just as much as the others, although Still Life is my personal favorite.

He did say that his style fits rock and jazzy type stuff. I don't think his metal style drumming is bad on Deliverance though.