Ghost Reveries is a concept album. But, this doesn't mean it has a storyline.

It might have a story line, and it might not. I just thought that it did because of the reacurring topics. maybe i'm wrong

[QUOTE=Scruples]Ghost Reveries is a concept album. But, this doesn't mean it has a storyline.[/QUOTE]

:confused:

Put [B]My Arms, Your Hearse[/B] in your player and read along with the entire album. Then put Ghost Reveries in and do the same. :thumb:

Mike hasn't stated if it has a story or not, but I really like that story, so I think I'll keep thinking thats what its about. :)

[QUOTE=ATC]Hate to disappoint you but that show might not happen. Visa trouble

Goodnight,folks.[/QUOTE]

I just heard about it. I am actually relieved in some ways because I do not like how the LA show is on a monday, that is a school day for me. Oh and if this means Nevermore might be able to join Opeth on a future date in LA, I AM ALL FOR IT!

[QUOTE=Darkness Of Greed]Mike hasn't stated if it has a story or not, but I really like that story, so I think I'll keep thinking thats what its about. :)[/QUOTE]


Dude, I thought you hated Ghost Reveries? :confused:

[QUOTE=Flynn]Dude, I thought you hated Ghost Reveries? :confused:[/QUOTE]
I don't hate it dude, I never said I did. Its simply the weakest Opeth album, it has a few good moments in it (I've always said that) but my favorite aspect of the album is the concept.

Ok, why the hell is everybody bitching about Ghost Reveries? It's WAY better than Deliverance, and compositional it's extremely tight. Its only flaw that I can see is Lopez' drumming, which is way too jazzy and rock-based, heavy on the ride instead of the crash and the snare instead of the bass drum. But Mikael's vocals are in fine form and the guitars (especially the light acoustic parts) are great. I really don't understand why this is such a big disappointment for you guys.

[QUOTE=Cain]Ok, why the hell is everybody bitching about Ghost Reveries? It's WAY better than Deliverance . I really don't understand why this is such a big disappointment for you guys.[/QUOTE]

isn't as bad as deliverance, but isn't also as good as Morningrise, Blackwater Park, Dam[I]n[/I]ation or MAYH.

imo the album isn't bad, but Opeth can do better things.

[QUOTE=heavy metal kid]isn't as bad as deliverance, but isn't also as good as Morningrise, Blackwater Park, Dam[I]n[/I]ation or MAYH.[/QUOTE]

Well, come on, you guys, what more do you want? Opeth have released eight albums and they're still [size=2]fu[/size]cking great. I mean give me a break already. Opeth deserve every bit of acclaim and success that they get. I seem to remember that Flynn was freaked out about the Roadrunner record deal, to the point of irritation, when everybody knew that Opeth wasn't gonna go all St. Anger on us. And for some reason Flynn now thinks that Ghost Reveries isn't any good. Well, I may be tired and cranky right now, but that's bull[size=2]s[/size]hit. Opeth are possibly the only band to get a major deal and score a 60 spot on the Billboard 200 on release all on the strength of their integrity, quality, and talent, instead of crappy watered-down singles. And they deserve it. You'll never see me whining about some extreme band getting a major deal and editing long songs for singles. The point of making music is to reach as wide an audience as possible. Opeth have done it in an admirable way.

I can't possibly see how Ghost Reveries is Opeth's weakest album, especially when compared to something as shoddily put-together as Deliverance. Come on. Give Opeth a break. They're still amazing. To some fans, no album they've made since Morningrise approaches its quality. But to many modern fans, Blackwater Park and Still Life are the penultimate achievements. Some fans just can't evolve with the times the way Opeth, to their credit, try to do on every album.

i know the album isn't bad.
I don't care of the evolution of the band or the experimental they get, if an album is good, is good.
My second favorite album of Opeth is Dam(n)ation, as you can hear, this isn't the normal Opeth you get on past albums, but the album is still great.

About the bad comments:
This is a normal judgement that the people have with their favorite bands when they do something diferent.

[QUOTE=Cain]Ok, why the hell is everybody bitching about Ghost Reveries? It's WAY better than Deliverance, and compositional it's extremely tight. Its only flaw that I can see is Lopez' drumming, which is way too jazzy and rock-based, heavy on the ride instead of the crash and the snare instead of the bass drum. But Mikael's vocals are in fine form and the guitars (especially the light acoustic parts) are great. I really don't understand why this is such a big disappointment for you guys.[/QUOTE]

Everyone has a different take on Opeth. We've listed our favorite albums hundreds of times in here and every album is number one on at least someone's list. Don't get cooked up over this.

Don't you remember me setting the record for mxtabs worst review ever when I did Deliverance? I gave that baby a 5 out of 5! Even though the band was put through hell, it appealed to me. Ghost Reveries was made how an album is suppose to be made, but to me it's biggest issue is the flow.

Cain, that's right, more complaining.

The first three tracks are awesome... then Atonement kicks in. Now I know some of you love that song, but it feels out of place to me. Another awesome track passes by with RHF, and another smooth mellow song. I'm put off again. And I know Opeth always has tracks that throw a huge change of pace, but in GR, the flow should not be disturbed. Also, my least favorite Opeth track is TGC. :( I cannot get over that first riff even though there are some very great parts in there. Lastly, Isolation Years doesn't even end properly. It goes for a few minutes, then fades away from the same part as the intro. :-\

I love GR for the tracks it brings with 1,2,3 and 5, but beyond that, I can't listen to it as an album. Call my reasons stupid or idiotic, but it's not a big deal. So what if some of us don't like it as much as we "should"? Even with an album I don't love, I still respect Opeth for every album.


PS- Post more.

[QUOTE=Cain]Well, come on, you guys, what more do you want? Opeth have released eight albums and they're still [size=2]fu[/size]cking great. I mean give me a break already. Opeth deserve every bit of acclaim and success that they get. I seem to remember that Flynn was freaked out about the Roadrunner record deal, to the point of irritation, when everybody knew that Opeth wasn't gonna go all St. Anger on us. And for some reason Flynn now thinks that Ghost Reveries isn't any good. Well, I may be tired and cranky right now, but that's bull[size=2]s[/size]hit. Opeth are possibly the only band to get a major deal and score a 60 spot on the Billboard 200 on release all on the strength of their integrity, quality, and talent, instead of crappy watered-down singles. And they deserve it. You'll never see me whining about some extreme band getting a major deal and editing long songs for singles. The point of making music is to reach as wide an audience as possible. Opeth have done it in an admirable way.

I can't possibly see how Ghost Reveries is Opeth's weakest album, especially when compared to something as shoddily put-together as Deliverance. Come on. Give Opeth a break. They're still amazing. To some fans, no album they've made since Morningrise approaches its quality. But to many modern fans, Blackwater Park and Still Life are the penultimate achievements. Some fans just can't evolve with the times the way Opeth, to their credit, try to do on every album.[/QUOTE]
/stands up and claps

[QUOTE=Txus]They are still playin in NY....:).[/QUOTE]
I'm seeing them on November 2nd at Saratoga winners.

Where do you live?

[QUOTE=bucket]The first three tracks are awesome... then Atonement kicks in. Now I know some of you love that song, but it feels out of place to me. Another awesome track passes by with RHF, and another smooth mellow song. I'm put off again. And I know Opeth always has tracks that throw a huge change of pace, but in GR, the flow should not be disturbed. Also, my least favorite Opeth track is TGC. :( I cannot get over that first riff even though there are some very great parts in there. Lastly, Isolation Years doesn't even end properly. It goes for a few minutes, then fades away from the same part as the intro. :-\[/QUOTE]


Yeah, it almost seems as if the record was ''rushed'' or something. Maybe there was a lot of pressure on them since they got signed to Roadrunner. Who knows. :confused: I just can't wait to hear what their new album will sound like.

[QUOTE=Flynn]Yeah, it almost seems as if the record was ''rushed'' or something. Maybe there was a lot of pressure on them since they got signed to Roadrunner. Who knows. :confused: I just can't wait to hear what their new album will sound like.[/QUOTE]

I'd hardly say rushed. They had the entire album written before they recorded and even had rehersal time. Our musical likes don't change the same as the band's does so we don't get as much out of it. That's my explanation.

[QUOTE=bucket]Our musical likes don't change the same as the band's does so we don't get as much out of it. That's my explanation.[/QUOTE]


Yeah, I agree with that. Ghost Reveries is a decent album...maybe It'll take some time for me to realize it.

Ugh, the fact that they're on Roadrunner has nothing to do with the fact that the album sounds "rushed" to you. First of all, a label like that understands the market that a band like Opeth will appeal to, and they'd be insane to apply pressure on the group to change their basic sound to a more streamlined or "simple" direction. It's clear by Opeth's extremely high entry onto the American charts that Roadrunner has made a good investment, and their instincts were on the money in not becoming enmeshed in sound-tampering.

Quit hating on Roadrunner. They're giving an amazing band a much wider audience and deserve props for not messing with Opeth's sound. Everybody that liked Opeth because nu-metal sucked (like Flynn) should be grateful that a major label is allowing a band like them to taste a major-scale American-based success. Surely it would be in all our best interests to have our musical tastes advanced by having music like Opeth be more popular instead of music by Limp Bizkit?

Ugh, I guess I just don't get it. I love Ghost Reveries.

But nothing on the album really stands out and rips my face off like almost everything they've done in the past. Theres no good heavy riffs on this album, the guitar work (with the exception of a few acoustics) is really mediocre for Opeth IMO. The keyboards are alright, but lack most of the time or are out of place or overdone. The drumming is ok, but nothing compared to Dam[I]n[/I]ation or even Deliverance. The bass playing is pretty good though. I find most of the songs lack a good atmosphere and a good climax unlike previous releases. The songs don't give me goose bumps like they use to either (I don't think they'll ever be able to top "the sun sets forever on Blackwater Park" for goose bump giving). I give the album a 6/10 for a album, but for Opeth this is an all time low.

[QUOTE=Cain]
I can't possibly see how Ghost Reveries is Opeth's weakest album, especially when compared to something as shoddily put-together as Deliverance. Come on. Give Opeth a break. They're still amazing. To some fans, no album they've made since Morningrise approaches its quality. But to many modern fans, Blackwater Park and Still Life are the penultimate achievements. Some fans just can't evolve with the times the way Opeth, to their credit, try to do on every album.[/QUOTE]

Yay someone else who likes GR! :thumb:
Some fans like the style on a certain album and find it hard to accept that the sound has evolved. Ghost Reveries isn't a bad album - it's actually becoming one of my favourite Opeth albums :D - it's just taken a completely different direction compared to their earlier work.

[QUOTE=Darkness Of Greed](I don't think they'll ever be able to top "the sun sets forever on Blackwater Park" for goose bump giving). I give the album a 6/10 for a album, but for Opeth this is an all time low[/QUOTE]

I agree about the goosebump giving and the end of BWP. The only real goosebump moments on GR are in Grand Conjuration and Isolation Years for me. Whereas Still Life was packed full of them. But, I like GR a lot more than Deliverance.

[QUOTE=Jude]I agree about the goosebump giving and the end of BWP. The only real goosebump moments on GR are in Grand Conjuration and Isolation Years for me. Whereas Still Life was packed full of them. But, I like GR a lot more than Deliverance.[/QUOTE]


I like [I]Deliverance[/I] better, and I never really listened to it that much until the release of [I]Ghost Reveries[/I]. I like the ending of Deliverance, when Mikael recorded parts of [I]The Master's Apprentices[/I] vocals backwards on the tail end of the album. :thumb: Good stuff.

[QUOTE=.:~ Route 1 ~:.]I'm seeing them on November 2nd at Saratoga winners.

Where do you live?[/QUOTE]
As am I, I'm so pumped that first of all that Opeth is coming to my town (Winners is not really in Latham), secndly, theyre bringing Nevermore with them, and it's my friggin birthday. Talk about a perfect day... expect to see me there with my 'Look Your Last Upon the Sun' shirt.

[QUOTE=Flynn]I like [I]Deliverance[/I] better, and I never really listened to it that much until the release of [I]Ghost Reveries[/I]. I like the ending of Deliverance, when Mikael recorded parts of [I]The Master's Apprentices[/I] vocals backwards on the tail end of the album. :thumb: Good stuff.[/QUOTE]
I find Deliverance is really underappreciated. Yes, it did lack some progression in parts... but man, that album is so solid. Not a bad track IMO, and the sheer darkness and brutality of it is wicked.

[QUOTE=Darkness Of Greed]I find Deliverance is really underappreciated. Yes, it did lack some progression in parts... but man, that album is so solid. Not a bad track IMO, and the sheer darkness and brutality of it is wicked.[/QUOTE]


Wicked indeed :thumb: Did you try listening to that backwards segment on [I]''By The Pain I See In Others''[/I] yet? When you do, it will give you gooseflesh :D It did to me.

Yeah, I did that a while ago when I was trying to find out what he said. Great cd.

[QUOTE=Darkness Of Greed]Yeah, I did that a while ago when I was trying to find out what he said. Great cd.[/QUOTE]


Yeah it is. We're working on [I]Wreath[/I] just to mess around. We usually don't cover anything, but we like to throw in a few covers now and then when we go to bars locally.

[QUOTE=Darkness Of Greed]I find Deliverance is really underappreciated. Yes, it did lack some progression in parts... but man, that album is so solid. Not a bad track IMO, and the sheer darkness and brutality of it is wicked.[/QUOTE]
I think that all of their albums are solid though, well out of the ones I've heard. In fact I can't think of an Opeth song I have heard and dislike :thumb:.

I like every Opeth songs recorded. Obviously I like some more than others, but I can't say that about any other band with that amount of albums.

[QUOTE=Hells Bells]Yay someone else who likes GR! :thumb:
Some fans like the style on a certain album and find it hard to accept that the sound has evolved. Ghost Reveries isn't a bad album - it's actually becoming one of my favourite Opeth albums :D - it's just taken a completely different direction compared to their earlier work.[/QUOTE]

Heh I love GR too. Made a semi-long post for the benefit of GR about 2-3 weeks ago and got practicly no direct replys--where were you GR lovers then. Hopefully these forums will still exist in 2008, which is probably when I'll have enough posts (judging by my current rate) to convince people to actually bother reading my posts.

Oh and Ghost Reveries is a concept album but the song Isolations Years is not part of the album's theme. The first seven songs contain the story. This is just clarifying the brief description of the album earlier found a couple pages back--its not directed at anyone in particular.

Yeah I knew that, but it seems Isolation Years [I]could[/I] fit into the story..

[QUOTE=ElectricalStorm]Heh I love GR too. Made a semi-long post for the benefit of GR about 2-3 weeks ago and got practicly no direct replys--where were you GR lovers then. Hopefully these forums will still exist in 2008, which is probably when I'll have enough posts (judging by my current rate) to convince people to actually bother reading my posts.

Oh and Ghost Reveries is a concept album but the song Isolations Years is not part of the album's theme. The first seven songs contain the story. This is just clarifying the brief description of the album earlier found a couple pages back--its not directed at anyone in particular.[/QUOTE]
The only posters whose opinion of you really matters are intelligent enough to know that postcount/joindate =/= how good a poster you are. There's lots of noobs that are much better posters than people that have been around forever.

GR isn't really a concept album, anyway. Mike said, IIRC, he thought at first it was going to be and wrote Ghost of Perdition and Baying of the Hounds, but then he wrote Isolation Years and got into writing stuff that didn't fit in. That's why some of the tracks seem to fit together. My guess would be that GoP, BotH, TGC and maybe one or two more fit in with the concept, but it's not a full fledged concept album.

I realize that but that's not what bothers me. What bothers me is that I take to the time to make a focused post about opeth and it often gets ignored in the midst of a thread that's sole purpose is to discuss the band that I'm writing about. I don't really care of what people think of me so long as my input is still considered.

My post about Ghost Reveries is evidence of that. I left no room for error by putting out my opinion as directly as I could manage. Morever this "opinion" was one that was held by very few and was stated in a way so as to challenge the alternate opinions and thereby encourage discussion. As a result, people could have certainly agreed with me, but more importantly they could have also done the very opposite--they could have picked me apart with a strong detailed rebuttal as to why they see GR in a different light. Believe or not I would have just as happy if not happier with the second scenario. But neither of these things happened, my post was just acknowledged by a couple ppl (and I appreciate those posters) and (seemingly) completely ignored by everyone else.

Opeth are a multifaceted and progressive band. Everyones interpretation of their music holds truth and is part of the greater picture. By presenting and debating these said personal interpretations we should be able to get a better understanding of the greater picture--and therein lies the beauty of both Opeth as a band and this forum as a medium for discussion. Does anyone actually feel that their feelings of the band are the only "right/correct" feelings concerning opeth's music? I hope not.

I read your old post, but since I stated my opinion many times, I didn't feel like saying it again then discussing it with you. It had nothing to do with your post count.

you're right mentioned right here dude :thumb:

"my post was just acknowledged by a couple ppl (and I appreciate those posters)"

And the post count thing was partly tongue in cheek and not my main point. I've seen other posters with higher post counts in this and different areas dealt the same way. It's still personally frustrating though.

[QUOTE=Flynn]Yeah it is. We're working on [I]Wreath[/I] just to mess around. We usually don't cover anything, but we like to throw in a few covers now and then when we go to bars locally.[/QUOTE]
Wreath is a friggin sick song... I don't care if that riff repeats to much, its so sweet. And at the end when it kicks back in, and he does that little scream... perfection. :thumb: Oh and the second solo is awesome.

[QUOTE=ElectricalStorm]I realize that but that's not what bothers me. What bothers me is that I take to the time to make a focused post about opeth and it often gets ignored in the midst of a thread that's sole purpose is to discuss the band that I'm writing about. I don't really care of what people think of me so long as my input is still considered.

My post about Ghost Reveries is evidence of that. I left no room for error by putting out my opinion as directly as I could manage. Morever this "opinion" was one that was held by very few and was stated in a way so as to challenge the alternate opinions and thereby encourage discussion. As a result, people could have certainly agreed with me, but more importantly they could have also done the very opposite--they could have picked me apart with a strong detailed rebuttal as to why they see GR in a different light. Believe or not I would have just as happy if not happier with the second scenario. But neither of these things happened, my post was just acknowledged by a couple ppl (and I appreciate those posters) and (seemingly) completely ignored by everyone else.

Opeth are a multifaceted and progressive band. Everyones interpretation of their music holds truth and is part of the greater picture. By presenting and debating these said personal interpretations we should be able to get a better understanding of the greater picture--and therein lies the beauty of both Opeth as a band and this forum as a medium for discussion. Does anyone actually feel that their feelings of the band are the only "right/correct" feelings concerning opeth's music? I hope not.[/QUOTE]

The reason I almost never post in this thread is because the discussion is incredibly cyclical and boring. It consists of users consistently repeating literally hundreds of times what their favorite Opeth songs are, and then that monotony is broken by new users asking for recommendations, which is followed by hundreds of "Get BWP, or maybe Still Life or Morningrise, or wait **** it every album by Opeth is amazing so good luck :thumb:."

:rolleyes:

I like how I've attempted to discuss Flynn's point of view with him and he has completely ignored my posts, only responding to those who agree with him. I don't think he's a bad poster, but I think the level of fanboyism in this thread is higher than in any other official thread and so the discussion is more stagnant than a bloody swamp.

It's really unbecoming to ignore attempts at detailed discussion. Even if you're too lazy to come up with rebuttal, at least acknowledge it instead of ignoring it. I hate coming into this thread and trying to come up with contrary arguments to spark discussion, because everybody is invariably like:

"Oh...what? You don't think this is good? Well I do, opinions are opinions, deal with it, Opeth are amazing. :D

Back to how much 'The Drapery Falls' rules for the millionth time..."

I actually really agree with that post, there is a bit to much fanboyism in this thread..

You're right. We need more topics for discussion in this thread.

How is it that Metallica threads can go on for 5 times as many posts as this one? What do they TALK about?

Does anyone else think 'Harlequin forest' meanders around to a point where it just sounds directionless?