[QUOTE=Chu;17087823]Woooo.

Good game Australia.

Edit: If New Zealand won, would Adelaide have been played?[/QUOTE]

Yeah, even if a series is done and dusted they still tend to play all the games. Otherwise you'd lose money on TV deals and sponsorships and tickets and all that.

You can have a 5-0 series result.

or maybe Aaron you should go to soundwave

Bags not buying a ticket to that.

We need to prove climate change.

This is my theory - slightly edited from my chat with Aaron:
Basically, the damage to our atmosphere means more of the sun's solar winds get through, which means a bigger discrepancy in temperature.

Our iron core basically prevents the solar winds from destroying our atmosphere (Mars doesn't have an iron core; as a result its atmosphere is non-existent these days) - The magnetosphere doesn't save the entire atmosphere, indeed we lose some every time winds come past, but it does protect most of it, but we are doing the exact opposite (a lot like Venus actually) and destroying our atmosphere from inside - effectively increasing the speed our atmosphere deteriorates.

This is all assumption, and the results of it, I haven't quite worked out, but yeah, that's basically it.
Prove, or disprove please.

I don't think climate change can be disproven.

Climate does change, that's how the planet works, the climate has changed significantly many times over the course of the planet's existence.

I don't know why people talk about it as it if it just emerged out of nowhere all of a sudden.

I think the main gripe with climate change is that the way the planet is changing is counter-productive to human habitation. Humans think they're the be all and end all of life on the planet.

Most definitely, naturally the climate will change.

However, what we are experiencing now, is definitely not natural climate change.

It's because we are such a disposable society (the whole world), and any change to our productions would disrupt this, and people are oh so ****ing lovey dovey about their mother ****ing materialistic possessions, as long as they have them, they are completely fine.

Honestly I think a significant human depopulation is the only way the species and the planet will get along together.

[QUOTE=Chu;17087879]Most definitely, naturally the climate will change.

However, what we are experiencing now, is definitely not natural climate change.

It's because we are such a disposable society (the whole world), and any change to our productions would disrupt this, and people are oh so ****ing lovey dovey about their mother ****ing materialistic possessions, as long as they have them, they are completely fine.[/QUOTE]

the last ice age was only around 10,000 years ago. Its generally accepted that its around a 100k year cycle so theoretically we have something like 40k years of heating left.

Also i dont trust any scientist who works for a company that is dependent on climate change research for income because they have ulterior motives. I trust proffessors who work for universities because it doesnt matter what they say, and many of them have said that climate change is inexorable and not man made only slightly man accelerated

Unless they're a professor whose tenure depends on not stepping too far out of line.

But yeah, I agree about climate change being a natural thing that is being exacerbated by human activity. I'm not convinced much can be done to help it while maintaining the size of the population either.

I read a study which said anything we did now to prevent climate change, wouldn't have any effect for at least 100k years.

It is for this reason I guess most people will choose to deny it (we can't change what's going to happen), I personally see that as a pretty selfish view though.

i still think we should be nice to the earth and not pollute and stuff but i think people just blindly follow whatever sounds vaguely scientific without looking any closer.

Humanity has to die out at some point, if we don't obliterate ourselves in a giant war I think an untenable climate shift may do it.

Or the fact that the sun has a finite lifetime, and without the sun, Earth would be pretty lifeless.

Yeah, I have to say though I think while the death of the sun would be a sure killer for humanity, it isn't a likely end for us because there's no way we'd last that long :p.

The extent of climate change we are experiencing now is utterly pissant in comparison to the changes in global weather that the Earth has experienced in the past.

But. Darwin put it best in saying how the most successful creature isn't the strongest but the one most adaptive to change.

I'm all for environmentalism tho. I'm not saying that the world is a write off and we shouldn't feel bad if we trash it further. Quite the opposite. Being able to live as part of the world, regardless of it's climate, is the key to any creatures survival.

[url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/south_of_scotland/7208505.stm[/url]

all I can say is that is f[I]u[/I]cking awesome

i was on the phone with my dad for three hours trying to sign him up to hotmail and get msn messenger going so he can cam with his filipino mail order bride argh

[QUOTE=Aes820;17087926]The extent of climate change we are experiencing now is utterly pissant in comparison to the changes in global weather that the Earth has experienced in the past.[/quote]
No doubt, and the final few million years of the sun's life is going to redefine the concept of climate change.

But, in all honesty, we should actively be looking for valid alternatives, to the point I feel we should be investing more on alternatives then on knowns (not going to happen, but I can dream).

[QUOTE=Aes820;17087926]But. Darwin put it best in saying how the most successful creature isn't the strongest but the one most adaptive to change.

I'm all for environmentalism tho. I'm not saying that the world is a write off and we shouldn't feel bad if we trash it further. Quite the opposite. Being able to live as part of the world, regardless of it's climate, is the key to any creatures survival.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but there's no way life could exist on Venus, a planet which has already undergone the same effects we are currently beginning.

P.S. Do you have TransACT or whatever? Nat Geo is doing Darwin month this February, could be cool, though I was far more interested in last month's space series.

[QUOTE=Meatplow;17087932]i was on the phone with my dad for three hours trying to sign him up to hotmail and get msn messenger going so he can cam with his filipino mail order bride argh[/QUOTE]

Is she hot?

Make sure she's female.

[QUOTE=Chu;17087933]Yeah, but there's no way life could exist on Venus, a planet which has already undergone the same effects we are currently beginning.[/QUOTE]

Not life like we have, but maybe some form of primitive life could sustain itself.
I'm a firm subscribed to the theory that alien life would be far from earth-like. Unless of course it evolved on a very earth-like planet, but even then I doubt you'd get anything resembling humans.

There are general elements to do with the composition of Venus that would prevent life.

The extreme temperature (because of the sulphuric acid in the atmosphere, the heat is actually trapped onto the planet, making it one of, if not, the hottest planet in our solar system).
The extreme volatility of Venus' volcanoes etc.

While yes, it is possible some sort of bacterial life exists on Venus, it's not likely.

Edit: Venus and Earth are very similar.

What if you were like, some kind of sulfur-based life, similar in vibe to the tube-worms and things that live on the hydro-thermal ocean vents.

More likely to be on Mars actually, Venus is still too close to the sun.

We live in a solar system of 8 planets, 1 of which has confirmed life, revolving around 1 sun.

We are but a tiny spec in our galaxy which houses more than a billion stars, there are more than a billion galaxies.

It would be silly to deny the existence of terrestrial life :p

Edit: I'm not sure of the exact figures (5 second memory), but there is a formula, which I think says "Even if life only existed on 1% of terrestrial planets, there would still be 3000 of these planets", though the figure isn't exact, it was somewhere around 3000.

Oh yeah, to my mind, there is a 100% probability that other life exists/has existed/will exist in the universe. The notion that life would only emerge on one planet in the entire universe, ever, that's just the most ridiculous thing I could ever contemplate.

I like Titan and Europa as possible candidates for extra-terrestrial life in our solar system.

[QUOTE=gaslight;17087939]Is she hot?

Make sure she's female.[/QUOTE]

she's quite mount-worthy I must say I think he is quite pleased judging by his graphic descriptions of what he was going to do with her when he takes his holiday over there next week :/

Nice. Nothing like buying a woman to show her you mean it.

[QUOTE=gaslight;17087963]Oh yeah, to my mind, there is a 100% probability that other life exists/has existed/will exist in the universe. The notion that life would only emerge on one planet in the entire universe, ever, that's just the most ridiculous thing I could ever contemplate.

I like Titan and Europa as possible candidates for extra-terrestrial life in our solar system.[/QUOTE]
Well, they have pretty much confirmed life on Mars.

i dunno if it was that kind of arrangement but it was some dodgy looking site he asked me to sign him up to with his credit card nonetheless

[url]http://www.cebuanas.com/[/url]

apparently all his friends have one so he wanted one too. i mean literally, a group of five or six fat middle aged men who all have imported wives. its pretty lol

Woo, Laneway was amazing and i'm not even sunburnt, hell yeah.

Also have a new favorite Aussie indie band:

[url]www.myspace.com/firekites[/url]

An on the topic:

“It is known that there are an infinte number of worlds, simply because there is an infinite amount of space for them to be in. However, not every one of them is inhabited. Any finite number divided by infinity is as near nothing as makes no odds, so the average population of all the planets in the Universe can be said to be zero. From this it follows that the population of the whole Universe is also zero, and that any people you may meet from time to time are merely products of a deranged imagination.”

Douglas Adams.

(I know i know there's not infinite space but it's still funny)

I love his maths.

Haha.

Nah, he was a good man.

my favourite Douglas Adams quote is -

"Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?"

Hahaha. Very nice.

That's a very good quote Streetlight.

who is douglas adams?

Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy, as well as some other.

I have never read anything by him though.

So, what are the rest of you doing up at this hour? I don't expect to sleep until past sunrise, but I've got the Scotland v Wales rugby to look forward to which I might make a few dollars on.

i can't sleep and talking to some girl i have quite an interest in

[QUOTE=gaslight;17088000]Hahaha. Very nice.[/QUOTE]

it was used at the opening quote to Richard Dawkin's [i]The God Delusion[/i], which was somewhat appropriate

[QUOTE=gaslight;17088036]So, what are the rest of you doing up at this hour? I don't expect to sleep until past sunrise, but I've got the Scotland v Wales rugby to look forward to which I might make a few dollars on.[/QUOTE]
I'm considering going to bed and reading.

But probably not.

being bored. i slept from 12-6 this afternoon so ill be up for a couple more hours. work tomorrow.

joel you are dead to me

why am i dead to you?