I am ultra death head

[QUOTE=Luc214;15267641]


What the hell is his problem?[/QUOTE]

He's just a stupid bag of sticks.

[QUOTE=subsonic;15265309]ok, luc214, you're 16, right? and rattlehead, you're 17? which means you guys have been listenin' to metal for what, like, 20 minutes now? I'm sure you're going to tell me about how "you've been listening to metal since you were like 5 years old" or whetever, but that don't even matter, 'cuz it's B.S.

luc, you said that "Slayer had nothing to do with the pioneering of death metal. That was Autopsy and Death." except I never said they pioneered death metal, I said "they invented extreme metal" meaning that they pushed the boundaries of "thrash metal" to the point that it was so much faster and lyrically darker than most other thrash bands, causing it to be almost to the point where you couldn't call it thrash (but it was, by todays definition). If Chuck Schuldiner were still alive, and you could ask him about what metal bands prompted him to start writing his metal, Slayer probably would've been pretty high on his list of influences, meaning that Slayer (among others, like Venom, early Celtic Frost and Black Sabbath) were a CATALYST for what was to become "death metal"
The lyrical content between Slayer and most death metal bands today really isn't all that different, except that death metal guys do it in a lower voice than Tom did... and if you look at most every other metal band in the '80's, almost nobody sang in a low pitched voice, at least until about '88 with the onset of bands like Morbid Angel, Death, Terrorizer, Napalm Death, followed by Obituary, Cannibal, Deicide, etc at the break of '90. So, in a way, Slayer did in fact have something to do with the pioneering of death metal, because they opened the doors for violent and Satanic lyrics and imagery that their followers continued to explore and expand upon, not to mention the over the top usage of tremolo picking and hyper fast double bass. This part of my monologue leaks into what rattlehead up there said how Slayer are "the most generic of all metal bands."

I will go ahead and say that I've been pretty damn disappointed with the last couple Slayer records, and I have my own reasons for that, but, to say that Slayer is a generic metal band shows your lack of intelligence as far as the IMPACT that their first five records had on the world of heavy metal. Sure, by today's standards, even old Slayer sounds pretty damn weak because people have built upon that style and perfected that type of sound so many times. But a couple things should be considered- one being advancements in technology allowing amps and guitars (especially the pickups) being built to better suit extreme playing as well as recording technology that opened the field of sound to give records A LOT more bass than they used to before the mid-90's. If Slayer re-recorded Reign... today, all the notes could be the same, but the notes would sound different because of the equipment being used (same difference as Dimmu's Stormblast original vs. re-recorded. same music, different tonal qualities). Anyway, you have to respect Slayer for the impact that they had on people to pick up guitars and expand upon the sounds they'd already heard and make the music that you apparently worship, without giving regards to the people that made it more of a possibility to happen in the first place. BTW, rattlehead, I wasn't criticizing anyone for talking about any bands, but making fun of them for arguing about which of them were "better" without any reasons as to why they had their opinions in the first place.

in in response to jcs497's comment that I "....have absolutely no idea what (I'm) talking about...", that seems kind of moronic after reading this post, doesn't it?


so, in review, my points were:
1. Slayer do have something to do with the "pioneering of death metal" because they pretty much laid the groundwork for it.
2. Slayer are just as "generic" as all those who had their influence and followed in their footsteps.
3. Technology has had a hand in making records hit harder than they used to, thereby making something sound "heavier" and more "extreme"
and finally,
4. Respect your roots. Kinda like how you should be thankful your Mom decided to let your Dad bust his nut inside of her on that particular night in 1990 when you're were conceived, rather than do the responsible thing and swallowing his nut, thus preventing your little bastard *** from joining the human race. In fact, you need to go give your mom a hug right now, and thank her for the computer that you're using right now, the clothes on your back, the rides to school, the lunch she packed for you and everything else your ungrateful little *** has. You could also man up, give your dad a firm handshake and tell him you respect him and everything he's done for you.

Now, go ahead and respond and seize the opportunity for you to portray yourselves as the jackasses you really are...[/QUOTE]

was this suppose to get a rise out of me?
1. thanks for the history lesson, i already knew all that ****
2. ****ing hilarious
3. you've been in this thread for a good 20 minutes and you've already firmly established yourself as a cumdumpster.

god i ****ing love it when a real scholar comes into this thread.

[QUOTE=FatalEnergy;15267435]If you can't get the point across in a few sentences then what's the point?[/QUOTE]

prose is an art

[QUOTE=i am the robots;15267825]prose is an art[/QUOTE]

an art he surely has yet to master

the first show i went to was a suicidal tendencies show when i was 9

[QUOTE]Respect your roots. Kinda like how you should be thankful your Mom decided to let your Dad bust his nut inside of her on that particular night in 1990 when you're were conceived, rather than do the responsible thing and swallowing his nut, thus preventing your little bastard *** from joining the human race. In fact, you need to go give your mom a hug right now, and thank her for the computer that you're using right now, the clothes on your back, the rides to school, the lunch she packed for you and everything else your ungrateful little *** has. You could also man up, give your dad a firm handshake and tell him you respect him and everything he's done for you.

ok, luc214, you're 16, right? and rattlehead, you're 17? which means you guys have been listenin' to metal for what, like, 20 minutes now? I'm sure you're going to tell me about how "you've been listening to metal since you were like 5 years old" or whetever, but that don't even matter, 'cuz it's B.S.[/QUOTE]

it doesn't matter how long you've listened to metal, the magnitude of ignorance you've displayed here simply to defend slayer is astounding. and while we're talking about age, you're probably some 45 year old **** that lives with his mom and plays with action figures all day. get ****ed.

Whad I miss?

RATTLE! I NEED YOUR ITUNES PASSWORD AGAIN! NOW!

first show i went to was a celtic frost show when i was... 13

[QUOTE=rattlehead42147;15267885]it doesn't matter how long you've listened to metal, the magnitude of ignorance you've displayed here simply to defend slayer is astounding. and while we're talking about age, you're probably some 45 year old **** that lives with his mom and plays with action figures all day. get ****ed.[/QUOTE]

Unite as one.

[QUOTE=Hbp;15267888]Whad I miss?

RATTLE! I NEED YOUR ITUNES PASSWORD AGAIN! NOW![/QUOTE]

haha oddly enough i repped it to nemesis

[QUOTE=Luc214;15267908]Unite as one.[/QUOTE]
im sorry but that sounded so gay. :smash:

dude what is it? He's not online anymore!

I need whoever gave you The Key's too :)

[QUOTE=stevo2112;15267466]The Nihilist demos rule too.[/QUOTE]


I have a live Nihilist audio bootleg. It's quite good


[QUOTE=SugarCoatedSour;15267683]I am ultra death head[/QUOTE]

Me too

[QUOTE=subsonic;15267410] I find it EXTREMELY hilarious that you act like a know-it-all about metal music when you've been listening to metal for "close to two years." I've been listening to hard rock music for about 15 years now, and I've been CONSUMED by metal for nine. I've got quite a few years of listening and analyzing experience on you boy[/QUOTE]

You really need to tone this down. There's a fair few people on here who have quite a few years "of listening and analyzing experience" on you as well.

Yes Slayer were a huge influence on extreme metal. Yes the first two albums are classic. But to say no-one would remember Venom is ridiculous. They were huge before Metallica or Slayer hit the scene. And there were bands doing Satan before Venom even.

I don't even know why we're discussing this. Slayer were a classic band period. They were hugely influential. But so were lots of other bands.

everyone here who seems to have all this crap against me can go **** themselves, because for one thing, I have never, not one time, down talked the musicianship of ANY music on this forum. I have actually only said positive things about great bands, ie: Slayer, Metallica, Opeth, Morbid Angel, Obituary, Alice In Chains and so on. I have down talked the IMAGE of black metallers because I think it looks absolutely ridiculous, but image and music are separate. So when you people sit there and talk crap about my taste in music, or at least the way I see things, I do feel like defending my convictions. Every time I write something that completely explains how I think about things, all you ever do is come back with "you're stupid" or "learn to use grammar." You can't seem to point out what is wrong with my logic and WHY you think I'm stupid for thinking the way I do, nor can you correct my grammar, which I honestly don't think there's anything wrong with. All of my writing is clear and coherent; the points are made in a way that can be read and understood. Kinda irritates me that I tried to start a new thread about the stuff that I wanted to talk about in a POSITIVE way, and you dorks go to that thread and start talk about "Folk/Viking Metal" when there is a designated thread for that already and because I ask you to not discuss that, the thread ends up being closed. Truthfully though, I don't even know why I'm trying. You're just going to tell me that I'm stupid again; tell me you can't even understand what I'm saying in the "incoherent mess" that Ive written. I'm through with this- I'm gonna go play some bass, and I suggest you practice a bit too so that maybe one day, you'll be able to write songs that are better than the ones you slag me for liking. Have a nice day.

wtf your reading comprehension sucks.

[QUOTE=subsonic;15269792]Random bollocks.[/QUOTE]

What are you on about? :confused: What songs have you been slagged off for liking?

Although I'd be glad to start the slagging with Opeth.

[QUOTE=subsonic;15269792]everyone here who seems to have all this crap against me can go **** themselves, because for one thing, I have never, not one time, down talked the musicianship of ANY music on this forum. I have actually only said positive things about great bands, ie: Slayer, Metallica, Opeth, Morbid Angel, Obituary, Alice In Chains and so on. I have down talked the IMAGE of black metallers because I think it looks absolutely ridiculous, but image and music are separate. So when you people sit there and talk crap about my taste in music, or at least the way I see things, I do feel like defending my convictions. Every time I write something that completely explains how I think about things, all you ever do is come back with "you're stupid" or "learn to use grammar." You can't seem to point out what is wrong with my logic and WHY you think I'm stupid for thinking the way I do, nor can you correct my grammar, which I honestly don't think there's anything wrong with. All of my writing is clear and coherent; the points are made in a way that can be read and understood. Kinda irritates me that I tried to start a new thread about the stuff that I wanted to talk about in a POSITIVE way, and you dorks go to that thread and start talk about "Folk/Viking Metal" when there is a designated thread for that already and because I ask you to not discuss that, the thread ends up being closed. Truthfully though, I don't even know why I'm trying. You're just going to tell me that I'm stupid again; tell me you can't even understand what I'm saying in the "incoherent mess" that Ive written. I'm through with this- I'm gonna go play some bass, and I suggest you practice a bit too so that maybe one day, you'll be able to write songs that are better than the ones you slag me for liking. Have a nice day.[/QUOTE]
dude, we dont care. just stop posting bullsh[I]i[/I]t that attacks people and start actually discussing bands if you're going to be in here.

The guys from Ghoul/Impaled are such good riff writers.

ref; opening track on [I]We Came for the Dead[/I].

Subsonic, you got off to a bad start here. I can tell you could very possibly become a quality poster in this thread, but just learn to tone it down a little bit. Elitism isn't taken to very kindly anywhere on MX....just take a look at Dargon and his troll friends. We understand that Slayer was a big thing back in the day, but I rehash my statement that they still suck balls.

Now learn to accept that people have different opinions from your own and don't bring up the "I KNOW MORE ABOUT METAL THAN U CUZ I'M OLD" **** again, because that simply doesn't swing here...and more importantly it proves jack ****.

Back on topic: I know I've said this before, but if there's any posters here that actually still enjoy newer death metal, you need to check out Pitbulls in the Nursery.
[url]http://www.myspace.com/pitn[/url]
The vocals are kinda lacking, but the rest more than makes up for it.

Squirrel: I was actually just about to post about how amazing Impaled is, but I tend to do that at least once a week as it is...

[QUOTE=Squirrel;15270324]The guys from Ghoul/Impaled are such good riff writers.

ref; opening track on [I]We Came for the Dead[/I].[/QUOTE]

Yeah, it's kind of unfair they can do that so well.

They churn out so many brilliant riffs, there's an incredible amount on [I]Death After Life[/I].

[QUOTE=Squirrel;15270397]They churn out so many brilliant riffs, there's an incredible amount on [I]Death After Life[/I].[/QUOTE]

NP: Death after Life

:p

In Gutless, there's like a (real) breakdown for a few seconds and then straight into this fast-as-hell blastfest with a huge layer of synth....and I nearly cream myself every time I hear it

Yeah i love that part, really relentless.

Opening riff of that song is awesome, as is that part where they use some awesome open string triplets in the chorus [cant really describe it :(]

Resurrectionists has an awesome thrashy riff, as does Medical Waste. Holy crap, that part from 0/49 in Mondo Medicale and also the last minute or so [and intro of] the Dead Shall Dead Remain.

Omg theyre so riff tastic.

[QUOTE=Squirrel;15270410]Yeah i love that part, really relentless.

Opening riff of that song is awesome, as is that part where they use some awesome open string triplets in the chorus [cant really describe it :(]

Resurrectionists has an awesome thrashy riff, as does Medical Waste. Holy crap, that part from 0/49 in Mondo Medicale and also the last minute or so [and intro of] the Dead Shall Dead Remain.

Omg theyre so riff tastic.[/QUOTE]

Absolutely!

And omg, best intro song ever on Mondo Medicale (the album). ****ing epic x 10000000, and it leads in perfect to the next song.

I just put on Dawn of Possession...and realized it has possibly the worst bass drum sound in the history of mankind.

And Ghouls debut album, did the guitar tone go through 8 distortion pedals or sth?! man its like an operation without anesthesia, but in aural form.

[QUOTE=Squirrel;15270429]And Ghouls debut album, did the guitar tone go through 8 distortion pedals or sth?! man its like an operation without anesthesia, but in aural form.[/QUOTE]

Which was their debut? I only have We Came For the Dead, which is good, but I can't really get the "feel" of the songs as much as I do with Impaled.

Thats their first full length I believe. I know how you mean, i cant put my finger on it, althoug Impaled are less manic and ravenous, im more happy to lsiten to them. I think theyre slightly more consistent and fresh - maybe cause Ghoul is just an amalgamation of other bands, kinda.

[QUOTE=Squirrel;15270439]Thats their first full length I believe. I know how you mean, i cant put my finger on it, althoug Impaled are less manic and ravenous, im more happy to lsiten to them. I think theyre slightly more consistent and fresh - maybe cause Ghoul is just an amalgamation of other bands, kinda.[/QUOTE]

Less manic? They're certainly less "evil" sounding, but tend to be a lot faster. Maybe it's just the fact that Ghoul seems to have a tad more old-school/thrash influence, which generally isn't something that translates well to me.

I'm gonna listen to Exhumed now, as they seem a good replacement for Impaled if anything.

I dunno, Ghoul have the 3 voices thing [i find it more prominent and distinct than in impaled] and the crossover thrash thing is more evident, they may be slower technically, but they feel more 'balls the wall' aggression :p

[quote]
I just put on Dawn of Possession...and realized it has possibly the worst bass drum sound in the history of mankind.[/quote]

What on earth are you babbling about?



In Possessed - Death Metal, when he says "Kill the pigs" it sounds like "feel the bass". lol

What band/album has your favorite kickdrum sound dargon

edit: and do you like ghoul or impaled

[QUOTE=Squirrel;15270595]What band/album has your favorite kickdrum sound dargon[/QUOTE]
Is that a serious question? If it is, I couldn't care less. Actually I do have one album in mind but you kiddies don't deserve to know it.


No I don't really like Ghoul or Impaled. Party metal.

I was joking

Have you heard Impaled cover Repulsion

[QUOTE=rattlehead42147;15270670]although i didn't really like blasphemy's FAOD, blood upon the altar is excellent so i may check Fallen out again.
i know this isn't the right thread but does anyone like running wild?[/QUOTE]
This isn't the right thread for either of those and you know it. I happen to be something of a fanboy of both those bands so I have a suspicion you're trying to get my approval by posting those bands right where I have to see them.

No I have not heard Impaled cover Repulsion.

Its a decent enough cover, they did Helga lost her head.

[QUOTE=Dargon;15270685]This isn't the right thread for either of those and you know it. I happen to be something of a fanboy of both those bands so I have a suspicion you're trying to get my approval by posting those bands right where I have to see them.

No I have not heard Impaled cover Repulsion.[/QUOTE]
hahah caught me. then i guess you didn't hear when i said i [I]didn't[/I] like FAOD, something ive said a long time ago in the bm thread. i know running wild doesn't belong in here, but i actually did think this was the bm thread. :(

Usually kick drum isn't well implemented into the mix in Death Metal. Usually too focused over other sounds.

who gives a flying **** about all that? Give me riffs from beyond the unholy grave and then I don't care if they're banging on a bathtub in the background. I actually have one demo wherein the drums consist of a textbook and a mattress (it's from 1984). Needless to say, it is elite.

maudlin of the Well used water as a percussion in an interlude. I think it's #4.

It's not elite at all.