So Pelican is pretty much amazing. I've been into instrumental rock of all different kinds lately, and I'm willing to say Pelican is my favorite. I could listen to [I]The Fire In Our Throats Will Beckon The Thaw[/I] all day long.

[QUOTE=Bartender]I don't know, only read the one review. I suppose the reviewer could have been an idiot.[/QUOTE]

Well an ad for them in Metal Maniacs said "all new power metal from Sweden!" so yeah.

I discovered quite a cool band with a stoner vibe to them; SIGH! I've heard Pale Monument and the singing and keyboards sound straight out of the 60's, with a pretty heavy metal riff going behind them.

I also got* a few more Electric Wizard albums. Chrono.Naut is awesome, if not short. Come My Fanatics... is a bit... thin? Still trippy and heavy, but it ain't got nothin' on Dopethrone. Let Us Prey gets so much flack for being so different from Dopethrone, I for one think it's the spookiest, doomiest and trippiest thing I've ever heard. ...A Chosen Few starts off with a riff of pure evil. And I [i]love[/i] the drum sound, really heavy (I hate the soft *tap* that they call a "snare" on Come My Fanatics...)! I might even go on to love it more than Dopethrone.

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[QUOTE=Werny]
...Aren't Creozoth supposed to be power metal?
[/quote]

No. They're supposed to be heavy metal. Straight up heavy metal. The old way.

[QUOTE]Speaking of the fellows from Candlemass, I got their self-titled release. There's some quality riffage right there.[/QUOTE]

Agree so far.

[QUOTE] Too bad the lyrics are laughably cheesy[/QUOTE]

I'd say some of them are a bit odd - certainly nothing up to the lyrical genius of Samarithan or At the Gallows End.

[QUOTE]the vocals are horrid (I've never been a fan of Messiah)[/QUOTE]

The vocals are superb. Messiah's best performance with Candlemass. With the exception of Rob Lowe, Messiah is the best doom metal vocalist.

[QUOTE] the drumming is boring [/QUOTE]

Look, I'm a drummer and I don't have a problem with the drums - they're tight and powerful. What do you expect in a doom metal band? Inverted paradiddles on two kick drums? gravity blasts? You like Electric Wizard and I could play most of their stuff with one hand.

[QUOTE]and the riffs occasionally get repetitive.[/QUOTE]

Again an odd statement from someone who likes EW.

In short Candlemass are ace.

On another note: I've suggested various bands in here and I'm interested to see if anyone has checked them out. So who has heard:

Thee Plague of Gentlemen
The Gates of Slumber
Solstice
Solitude Aeturnus
Orodruin
Warning

I've heard bits and pieces of Solitude Aeturnus and Thee Plague of Gentlemen, but not enough. I've been meaning to buy something by Solitude ever since I heard Spiral Descent, from you. That song still gets regular play.

All the others are stuff I have in my mind, that I'd probably buy if I found an album lying around somewhere, but for the moment are still part of the big pile of bands I'm forever intending to check out.

[QUOTE=Werny]
I discovered quite a cool band with a stoner vibe to them; SIGH! I've heard Pale Monument and the singing and keyboards sound straight out of the 60's, with a pretty heavy metal riff going behind them. [/QUOTE]

The Japanese band?

My girlfriend got me [I]Salvation[/I] by Cult of Luna for valentines day tomorrow, should I be looking forward to some top notch Doomy metal stuff? I've heard some stuff from [I]The Beyond[/I] and liked it.

Need to get some more Stoner/Doom shizzle and also need to check out Sigh, seen them mentioned quite a few times now as being decent.

[QUOTE=Jondur]
Thee Plague of Gentlemen
The Gates of Slumber
Solstice
Solitude Aeturnus
Orodruin
Warning[/QUOTE]

I have heard all of those. All are excellent.

[i]New Dark Age[/i] has been getting tons of plays from me lately.

[QUOTE=Jondur]
In short Candlemass are ace.
[/QUOTE]

Ace they are, but they just lack something for me.

The drums aren't meant to be technical, I know this, I did not say they had to be. I just said they're boring. They don't do anything. Assassin of the Light has some cool fills in the first verse, that's about as exciting as they get. EW's drummer sucks but he does very energetic fills and good beats, I love what he does for Weird Tales.

Messiah never suited Candlemass, for me. He just... I don't really know [i]why[/i], his style just never clicked with me. Sometimes it gets very annoying, and when he tries to be harsh and serious it's hilarious. I loved the guy on Epicus Doomicus Metallicus, he sounded more serious and had a seriously wicked scream on him.

Witches is awesome, so is Mars And Volcanoes and The Man Who Fell From The Sky. That's about it.

They just sound like a british heavy metal band with a lot of Sabbath influence. I never liked that british style.

The riffs, yeah they're good until they get all 80's hair metal. And yes, the riffs in EW are nearly all the same, but that makes it kinda hypnotising...

I don't know. The Mass just don't click with me all that often. They have lots of NICE songs though.

[QUOTE=Werny]
They just sound like a british heavy metal band with a lot of Sabbath influence. I never liked that british style.[/QUOTE]

They're an epic doom band. That's what epic doom is - see Solitude Aeturnus, Solstice etc. I think TRUE doom covers it.

[QUOTE]The riffs, yeah they're good until they get all 80's hair metal.[/QUOTE]

Don't start. There's a big big difference between NWOBHM and Poison or Ratt.

im desperate for sleepsholy mountain or any high on fire
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[QUOTE=Bartender]


The Japanese band?[/QUOTE]

Yah. Apparently they're avant-garde but that song is really stoner-ish.


[QUOTE=Jondur]
They're an epic doom band. That's what epic doom is - see Solitude Aeturnus, Solstice etc. I think TRUE doom covers it.[/QUOTE]

I don't find anything epic about their self-titled album, but yes Nightfall (from what I've heard) and Epicus are very epic. And, well, then I guess I'm not a big fan of this "TRUE doom".

[QUOTE=Jondur]Don't start. There's a big big difference between NWOBHM and Poison or Ratt.[/QUOTE]

Yeah yeah ok ok, I was exaggerating a bit. Sorry.

By the way... people are calling Assassin of the Light their best song. Yes, it starts off nicely... but the bit after the chorus where it keeps starting the riff, only to cut it off and say "assassin of the light" is, I'm not kidding, the only part of a song I've heard that actually [i]frustrates[/i] me. Most days I can't listen to that bit.

[QUOTE=Werny]
I don't find anything epic about their self-titled album, [/QUOTE]

Not even Copernicus? It's about as epic as it gets.

[QUOTE]And, well, then I guess I'm not a big fan of this "TRUE doom".[/QUOTE]

TRUE DOOM= Revelation, St Vitus, Solstice, Solitude Aeturnus etc
NOT true doom = Electric Wizard, Orange Goblin, My Dying Bride etc


[QUOTE]By the way... people are calling Assassin of the Light their best song. [/QUOTE]

Not me. I think it's average. Copernicus, Seven Silver Keys on the other hand are very very good.

NB Nothing can be compared to EDM and Nightfall - it's just not fair, they're classics and beyond anything in this day and age.

[QUOTE=Jondur]NOT true doom = Electric Wizard, Orange Goblin, My Dying Bride etc[/QUOTE]

Do you at least consider them seperate sub genre of doom?

Well Orange Goblin aren't even really untrue doom, like them though I do. They're just a (stoner) rock band.

Electric Wizard are pretty much a stoner band at heart, too; they're just at one extreme end of the spectrum.

[QUOTE=Stoic]Do you at least consider them seperate sub genre of doom?[/QUOTE]

MDB = death/doom

but you have to consider that death/doom really doesn't have anything to do with doom. These bands, well the originators of the style (Paradise Lost, Anathema, MDB) were death metal bands who added the atmospherics of Into the Pandemonium Celtic Frost. Therefore no input from the originators of doom (ie Pentagram, St Vitus etc).

Orange Goblin and Electric Wizard = stoner (as Bartender pointed out).

Genre pedantry aside, I'm glad to see some people picked up on the suggestions I made - It's a shame we can't upload songs here anymore because there's loads more to hear!

Here's a great live vid of Revelation at Doom Shall Rise in 2003.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqfJlxL9ZKk[/url]

Great, great, great band.

I have Frequencies From Planet Ten by Orange Goblin and really enjoy it. Is their other stuff similar?

[QUOTE=Jondur]OK - for starters there is no such thing as stoner doom. There is stoner and there is doom. They are very different.[/QUOTE]
According to this site- [url]http://www.doom-metal.com/faq.html-[/url] there's stoner rock and stoner/doom. but i dont know, u might be right, i'm not an expert, thats how i found that site.

Have any of you heard Deadboy and the Elephantmen? It's (former Acid Bath singer) Dax's band, and I highly enjoy them. Very gloomy stoner-ish (as in only kinda!) stuff. I managed to get their album If This Is Hell Then I'm Lucky, it's a great listen from start to finish. Jon, I know you like Dax's vocals, perhaps you'd like this band too. I can YSI if anyone is interested. I also got his other band's s/t album Agents of Oblivion. It's similar, but a bit more rockish and not nearly as good as far as I'm concerned.

[QUOTE=acerb]According to this site- [url]http://www.doom-metal.com/faq.html-[/url] there's stoner rock and stoner/doom. but i dont know, u might be right, i'm not an expert, thats how i found that site.[/QUOTE]

I am right. That site is for Gays. Check out such topics as "Is Autopsy Doom?" and "Are Opeth Doom?"

[QUOTE=Cardboard Headgear]Have any of you heard Deadboy and the Elephantmen? It's (former Acid Bath singer) Dax's band, and I highly enjoy them. Very gloomy stoner-ish (as in only kinda!) stuff. I managed to get their album If This Is Hell Then I'm Lucky, it's a great listen from start to finish. Jon, I know you like Dax's vocals, perhaps you'd like this band too. I can YSI if anyone is interested. I also got his other band's s/t album Agents of Oblivion. It's similar, but a bit more rockish and not nearly as good as far as I'm concerned.[/QUOTE]

I'm definitely interested. I have the Agents of Oblivion album and I think its pretty good (although nowhere near the genius of Acid Bath). On a related note I was watching the Acid Bath DVD this morning (it's a good way to wake up!) - well worth getting, great footage of rehearsals in a barn and some decent gigs.

I'll start uploading it, go ahead and post yer email, and that goes for anyone else who wants it.

Cool man I'd be intrested :) thanks

jonny40k2k @ hotmail.com

Count me in:

[email]jonathon_gibbs@<nospam>hotmail.com[/email]

Sent. If any more of you want it, tell me and I'll send it again tomorrow night, then after that I'll just give it to the daily upload guys I guess.

I've ordered Swallow The Sun - Ghost Of Loss (cd+dvd)

Any fans of them here?
I haven't heard much about them except for a few trackson internet radio

[QUOTE=Cardboard Headgear]Sent. If any more of you want it, tell me and I'll send it again tomorrow night, then after that I'll just give it to the daily upload guys I guess.[/QUOTE]


[email]thedeath7734@hotmail.com[/email]


Thanks man .. :thumb:

I would also like to hear this. I like Acid Bath, and their vocals.

[email]eruantien@gmail.com[/email]

Ok sounds good
[email]iamacoolguy@gmail.com[/email]

I'll try it.

[email]tyler.stagg@gmail.com[/email]

Thanks.

Yeah, I've been wanting to hear that for some time. Thanks a lot.

[email]jmcgrenery@hotmail.com[/email]

[QUOTE=Jondur]I am right. That site is for Gays. Check out such topics as "Is Autopsy Doom?" and "Are Opeth Doom?"[/QUOTE]
o ok

Ha sorry forgot to send it last night, will do so now. Also Jon, the one I sent to you got spit back at me. I just copied and pasted what you typed, so is that <no spam> dealy supposed to be in there?

EDIT: sent it out just now to the rest of you

[QUOTE=Cardboard Headgear]Ha sorry forgot to send it last night, will do so now. Also Jon, the one I sent to you got spit back at me. I just copied and pasted what you typed, so is that <no spam> dealy supposed to be in there?

EDIT: sent it out just now to the rest of you[/QUOTE]
Thanks. :)

Downloading now, will listen tomorow and post some feedback.

[QUOTE=Cardboard Headgear]Ha sorry forgot to send it last night, will do so now. Also Jon, the one I sent to you got spit back at me. I just copied and pasted what you typed, so is that <no spam> dealy supposed to be in there?

EDIT: sent it out just now to the rest of you[/QUOTE]

no it's not. It's to stop spam - just delete that bit so it's just @hotmail.com

Anyway on doomy topic:

Currently worshipping: PENANCE! Godly band.

[QUOTE=the2stranger]I've ordered Swallow The Sun - Ghost Of Loss (cd+dvd)

Any fans of them here?
I haven't heard much about them except for a few trackson internet radio[/QUOTE]
:confused:
anyone?

i like doom metal
stoner metal sucks

So, what'd you guys think of the Deadboy album?

Going to see Orange Goblin, Rameses, Sourvein, Olde Crone and Jecano in Camden in April, Cant Wait.

For anyone who hasn't heard Jecano check them out here:
[url]http://www.jecanorock.com/[/url]
it's awesome stuff.

I've recently re discovered how much I love Let loose The Swans of My Dying Bride.
such an awesome album.

riding on my bike back home in the middle of the night with an icy wind and this cd on, what an experience.