hey iv just been listening to your samples merkaba, an it sounds like im using the same technique as you so i think iv got it down....i was just wondering, is it right to be able to do it at any volume cause like i can do it at a low volume an a medium volume but i cant seem to get it loud..i know it wont matter cause ill have a mic bit i was just stuffing around to see how loud i could get it an it was like the more i pushed it just felt like i was building tension up an not getting anymore volume.

and another thing,when you use your mic through a pa is there anything you can do to get the scream to sound better cause when i do it without a mic or when i just record it on my computer it sounds awsome but then when i go to do it with a mic it comes out like really high pitched ancruddy sounding...huh i dunno what it is....might be the mic im using...its just a cheap shure pg58.

Thanks if you answer these dude.

Osiris- I'll check em out shortly

Seed- you need to practice isolation. If you know youre feeling tense then you are. you should be able to push, from the diaphragm, and not have it affect any other part of your body. dont squeeze the throat. You should be able to do it at almost any volume. low, mid , or high. as you go up in volume of course youre gonna have to squeeze the cords tighter agains the addes resistance which is what it sounds like you cant do yet. you have to seperate the throat muscles from the cord muscles. Its that simple. keep practicing, cause once you start getting the hang of it you can really do just abuot anything. I've got it in my voicehelp hotline, if you havent read the isolation stuff or need a reminder.

cya

i'll get onto the isolation stuff today

thanks man :thumb:

****, I was at work today. Our bathroom has the best acoustics. I always like to hit a note or something while someone is in there and make em say jesus. but noone was in there today and i decided to give a full scream. It sounded better than anything I've heard on any album. ****, if i could reproduce that in the studio. Just a little small room reverb i guess. But it was killer. just thought i'd let you guys know! hehe.

I hadnt warmed up and i didnt want to push too hard. so it kinda surprised me. I did think afterwards though that i should repost about how Its so important though to realize that you dont have to push too hard. yes, i thought about this board while i was at work! :lol:

[QUOTE=Merkaba-1]****, I was at work today. Our bathroom has the best acoustics. I always like to hit a note or something while someone is in there and make em say jesus. but noone was in there today and i decided to give a full scream. It sounded better than anything I've heard on any album. ****, if i could reproduce that in the studio. Just a little small room reverb i guess. But it was killer. just thought i'd let you guys know! hehe.

I hadnt warmed up and i didnt want to push too hard. so it kinda surprised me. I did think afterwards though that i should repost about how Its so important though to realize that you dont have to push too hard. yes, i thought about this board while i was at work! :lol:[/QUOTE]

Your co-workers probably thought you were constipated :amaze:

:lol:...that wouldve been one hell of a shlt then.

Merkaba - think you could be specific on where the rasp should be coming from? You say the back of the throat... like where on the neck? Im pretty sure I have the rasp down (well I use it for growls...) but recently I havent been able to falsetto scream, and when I rasp a faslsetto note, it doesnt come off as high as I would like. Nor as raspy. Hmmm... Just clarifying.

Also... shamefull plug... would you crit this for me? [url]http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=253924[/url] I always find deep insight in your views upon my songs. Thanks, hehe... :)

if you clear your throat with your mouth open, it will be just about the same area. But you dont want to do much of this.

I'll check the link out.

I've read through most of the pointers and other screaming help.. but I wanted to know how to . sing/scream.. well. I mean. like raspy screaminess for large pieces of song, say an entire verse with lyrics.. how do you get a sustainable screamy voice which you can sing with?

(for examples of what I mean, check HIMSA, atreyu or from autumn to ashes)

lots of water, practice and airflow control! that question has been asked several times already.. the only answer is to just keep practicing

[QUOTE=Joe_Pettibone]I've read through most of the pointers and other screaming help.. but I wanted to know how to . sing/scream.. well. I mean. like raspy screaminess for large pieces of song, say an entire verse with lyrics.. how do you get a sustainable screamy voice which you can sing with?

(for examples of what I mean, check HIMSA, atreyu or from autumn to ashes)[/QUOTE]
Its all the same thing. its just more of a singing feel when you start to make the sounds. more like a mixed falsetto and head voice feel. like youre doing both at the same time. power falsetto...etc. learn to rasp at a low volume, everyone can do this you just have to practice. and the key is keeping the larynx low. check out my samples and the voicehelp hotline stuff.

I need to hurry up and get a band going before theres too much da[SIZE=2]m[/SIZE]n competition out there.

Hey Merkaba-1, just wondering if you've gotten around to listening to those mp3's I posted?

Here's the link ago if you forgot it.
[url]http://www.soundclick.com/bands/3/blacklistmusic.htm[/url]

I'm no expert (it's surprising how many times I say this during the course of a day), but I usually try and strain from my gut, without putting a lot of air through my voice box.

It's a bit like the sound you might make whilst attempting to void whilst constipated, if that's not too graphic... I find it works okay with a mic (the screaming, not the constipation), and it sounds quite raspy (and not at all affected) now I've worked at it a while.

It's probably playing havoc with my voice, but I feel a lot better doing it this way than I used to when I just roared and pushed as much air through my voicebox as I could. I can even sing well after hours of practice with the "constipation method".

(Maybe I should write a short book about my patented "gruff voice" method...I could print it on tissue paper...)

****. Just read the previous posts. Reinventing the wheel again.

ive been trying to achieve the emocore scream but i still sound like a broken duck

Hey Merkaba, here's a little update so far. I haven't gotten a voice recording, so I'll describe my progress.

Using your techniques I'm now able to scream for longer periods of time and have very little to no discomfort during or afterwards, and my speaking voice is just fine hours after and even the next day. In fact, I can sing almost completely normal after screaming, but steadily I lose intensity in my singing voice. Is this something that I can remedy with enough practice?

Also, while I have no pain or discomfort, for some reason I still think I'm doing it wrong. I'm very worried that I might be hurting myself and not even be aware of it. How can I tell if I'm doing damage to my voicebox?

yea session...thats pretty much "coming from the gut". Though it shouldnt play havoc on your cords. And you dont have to push extra hard all the time and dont let the stomach muscles squeeze too much. But it sounds like youre in touch with it. keeping the larynx relaxed and coming from the gut are two of the biggest things to get down. Good for you. We can always use new wheels.

[QUOTE=Bleeding Through]Hey Merkaba, here's a little update so far. I haven't gotten a voice recording, so I'll describe my progress.

Using your techniques I'm now able to scream for longer periods of time and have very little to no discomfort during or afterwards, and my speaking voice is just fine hours after and even the next day. In fact, I can sing almost completely normal after screaming, but steadily I lose intensity in my singing voice. Is this something that I can remedy with enough practice?

Also, while I have no pain or discomfort, for some reason I still think I'm doing it wrong. I'm very worried that I might be hurting myself and not even be aware of it. How can I tell if I'm doing damage to my voicebox?[/QUOTE]

well i dont know dude. you seem to be making progress. Can you post a sample? No pain and discomfort so why do you think youre doing it wrong?

I would say take some time to to get in touch with your cords. do the isolation stuff so you know when youre leaving your head voice to go to falsetto, and hold a note in isolation style techique and see how loud you can get it without moving anything. this helps you learn the connection with the muscles that help hold for volume, while not mixing them up with any other muscles. I cant stress the importance of learning to isolate. And you dont want to push too hard in your head voice.

And work on opening the throat. if you use the finger on the adams apple technique you can find how to open up while leaving the adams apple low. Now it will rise some here and there but you dont want it to squeeze up like youre swallowing. compare your larynx positions when you yawn and when you swallow. do a fake yawn and hold your adams apple low. keep it there so you know the muscles it takes to drop it...then swallow and hold it up for a few seconds. you'll find that you cant really breathe while you hold it up. because its designed to prevent airflow, remember, when you swallow. So the higher the larynx the less air you can get. if you take the midpoint of these two extremes your larynx shouldnt go much higher than that mid point. Now its not any hard rule chiseled in stone. Just practice so you can get intouch with the muscles. this way its easier to relax them because you have more conciousness in the area. practice getting those thick sounds like when youre acting like youre in an opera. they get big sound by having a big relaxed throat. At work and in the car i have my finger on my adams apple a good bit here and there just checking. These are all things you can remember to check out and you dont have to do a formal session all the time. just know that over time you can kinda "master" these things with time and experience. Other than a high larynx or overpushing...i dont know what you might could be doing wrong.

It might just take time to keep your singing voice up after doing raspy vocals. I mean for me, sometimes i have actually tried to see if i could get pain or discomfort so i would blast all kinds of notes to know my limits. overtime i just built up good strength. I would recommend against this approach if you dont have good technique. But i must say, go with it. if you hold back youre not gonna know your limits and whether or not youre even pushing yourself as much as you could be. this is how you grow stronger. Just be sure you've been singing for a while and everything is loose and warm. And just relax and go for it. You should always feel comfortable even in an extreme push. dont squeeze the throat and come from the gut.

keep us posted.

[QUOTE=osirisblind]Hey Merkaba-1, just wondering if you've gotten around to listening to those mp3's I posted?

Here's the link ago if you forgot it.
[url]http://www.soundclick.com/bands/3/blacklistmusic.htm[/url][/QUOTE]

yea i tried to check them that one time before they cleared and i forgot since then.

Not usually my type of genre, but i like atheist Anthem. you should give me the lyrics. hehe. something about huffing gasoline. i like that part. reminds me of something i would hear on Tony Hawk Pro skater. Which is a compliment from me, cause i like the game.

Well vocal wise it sounds good. How do you feel afterwards? just work on keeping the throat relaxed and come from the gut. Good job. Anything you want to know?

Oh haha, sorry for any confusion, but those were the clips of what I'm going for, not of what I sound like. I was wondering if there is a way to get that kinda voice he has, (really raspy and whatnot) without having to get drunk, smoke or eat sawdust at every meal. Haha..?
Sorry bout that

[QUOTE=Merkaba-1]well i dont know dude. you seem to be making progress. Can you post a sample? No pain and discomfort so why do you think youre doing it wrong? [/quote]

Dunno, maybe because I've done it wrong for so long! ;)


[quote]And work on opening the throat. if you use the finger on the adams apple technique you can find how to open up while leaving the adams apple low. Now it will rise some here and there but you dont want it to squeeze up like youre swallowing. compare your larynx positions when you yawn and when you swallow. do a fake yawn and hold your adams apple low. keep it there so you know the muscles it takes to drop it...then swallow and hold it up for a few seconds. you'll find that you cant really breathe while you hold it up. because its designed to prevent airflow, remember, when you swallow. So the higher the larynx the less air you can get. if you take the midpoint of these two extremes your larynx shouldnt go much higher than that mid point. Now its not any hard rule chiseled in stone. Just practice so you can get intouch with the muscles. this way its easier to relax them because you have more conciousness in the area. practice getting those thick sounds like when youre acting like youre in an opera. they get big sound by having a big relaxed throat. At work and in the car i have my finger on my adams apple a good bit here and there just checking. These are all things you can remember to check out and you dont have to do a formal session all the time. just know that over time you can kinda "master" these things with time and experience. Other than a high larynx or overpushing...i dont know what you might could be doing wrong. [/quote]

Yup this is exactly what I do, so I can conclude that I'm doing it right, no?

I must say Merkaba, you've helped me ALOT. Thank you.

well dont take what i type as gospel, but it sounds like youre on your way. just pay attention to your body. Your cords will let you know what works and what doesnt if you pay attention to them and the sounds...and the level of comfort and how you feel afterwards.

No, thank you! :chug:

[QUOTE=osirisblind]Oh haha, sorry for any confusion, but those were the clips of what I'm going for, not of what I sound like. I was wondering if there is a way to get that kinda voice he has, (really raspy and whatnot) without having to get drunk, smoke or eat sawdust at every meal. Haha..?
Sorry bout that[/QUOTE]

aww man!!!! :lol:

well its the same , he's just rasping the notes like i always talk about. relaxed open throat from the gut low larynx blah blah blah...

nahmean?

Haha,

Alright I'll check it all out, I've already been coming close so I'll keep at it!
Thanks!

dont forget you can practice singing that song without the rasp and it will help you out.

am i supposed to just scream in flasetto or sing realy really hard and push my voice until it becomes a scream? when i scream its really high and doesnt sound like other bands. they seem a lot lower in pitch. r they using there falsetto?or is theres just really trained

I dunno if this was already covered, but how can you do the screams like Phil Anselmo of Pantera? My band is going to be covering some of their songs, and I need to sing like him.

Screaming, how to
 

I want to learn how to scream somewhat liek the singers from underoath or thursday. where should i start?. ive read the varity of techniques on this forum and its somewhat confusing. when i practice before , its hard for me to actually get the scream sound out from under my voice. what should i do and where should i start and go from here? thanks

iv noticed that i can scream alot of high pitched (senses fail,finch,emery) kinda screams but when i try the thursday ones it doesnt sound right cause he scream is more like "yell at the top of you lungs" scream ...which is bad for you from what iv gathered from all the people on here over time and personal experience. And my falsetto was gone for like a month, which kinda freaked me out...so i dont really suggest you try to sound exactly like geoff.

[QUOTE=alexbush321]I want to learn how to scream somewhat liek the singers from underoath or thursday. where should i start?. ive read the varity of techniques on this forum and its somewhat confusing. when i practice before , its hard for me to actually get the scream sound out from under my voice. what should i do and where should i start and go from here? thanks[/QUOTE]

Practice singing the note without screaming it.
And to be quite honest, Theres only been a couple of people in this thread with a clue other than saying, push hard and make a face!

screaming is singing hard and loud off the back of the throat It takes time and strength to get hard and loud, and technique to get off the back of the throat. Go to the voichelp hotline stickie in this forum.

[QUOTE=TheOneThatBleeds]am i supposed to just scream in flasetto or sing realy really hard and push my voice until it becomes a scream? when i scream its really high and doesnt sound like other bands. they seem a lot lower in pitch. r they using there falsetto?or is theres just really trained[/QUOTE]
DO NOT push until it becomes a scream. You pull the back of the throat down a bit , a small bit to bank the sound off of it. go to my voichelp hotlline sticky.

[QUOTE=Shady Ultima]I dunno if this was already covered, but how can you do the screams like Phil Anselmo of Pantera? My band is going to be covering some of their songs, and I need to sing like him.[/QUOTE]

Its all the same.

i think i understand how to have to mix the hole throat growl with the large ammount of air in your gut. but every time i try it it comes out like im about to huak up a gaint puss ball. and i cant seem to get it loud

Hey Merkaba... quick question... want to make sure I know what I am talking about...

[url]http://www.purevolume.com/ascitiesburn/[/url]

It sounds like he is just yelling a note, you know what I mean... the way he is doing it? And then rasping it once in a while? Is that right? Or is it more of just singing with a certain tone so that it comes off like that?

I saw them in concert this past weekend and got a compelation CD... thought his style was kind of interesting. :thumb:

In general......rasping is something everybody has done before i guarantee. Mimmicking people and animals and sounds and cars and stuff. You've done it before. Dont try to overthink it just because youre singing.

[QUOTE=metaliq]Hey Merkaba... quick question... want to make sure I know what I am talking about...

[url]http://www.purevolume.com/ascitiesburn/[/url]

It sounds like he is just yelling a note, you know what I mean... the way he is doing it? And then rasping it once in a while? Is that right? Or is it more of just singing with a certain tone so that it comes off like that?

I saw them in concert this past weekend and got a compelation CD... thought his style was kind of interesting. :thumb:[/QUOTE]

Yea, he has a pretty strong voice. Pushing hard on some regular notes. that in and of itself will rasp due to the force on the cords. But i think he uses a tiny bit of throat even on some of them. But some of the obvious ones are easier to hear.

my screams in head voice are really hi, how do i bring them down in itch and make them lower. im goin for somethin like shane from silverstein. can someone help me with that?

yea this is an old thread, but just in case anyones still looking at it....
I was wondering how I should try to sing slipknot music by screaming. should i start with something easier first? thanks

I haven't listened to any Slipknot except for their new singles (Duality and Vermilion), and their stuff sounds pretty easy, there isn't anything high pitched. I think Duality is a pretty fun song to sing. Vermilion has a long scream in it that I can't get and I've been singing for about a year now.

[QUOTE=TheOneThatBleeds]my screams in head voice are really hi, how do i bring them down in itch and make them lower. im goin for somethin like shane from silverstein. can someone help me with that?[/QUOTE]

Check out my voicehelp hotline if you havent already and check out my samples. I've been meaning to get some more stuff up but I've ran into software issues. Its all the same as far as technique goes. if you can already scream, why cant you lower the note and use the same technique? i dont get your question really. you can sream high notes but not mid range? ONce you learn to rasp you should be able to rasp all of your notes from your lowest to highest. YOu hit it off the back of your throat...just be sure to have a relaxed throat and you dont need to overpush. check out the hotline...lots of good stuff in there.