[QUOTE=Spaceman Spiff;13341503]I disagree. If you're trying to prove something, you do your best to prove it. What makes it most effective is if you can bring up counter-arguments and then refute them with evidence, which only strengthens your point.[/QUOTE]

Example of a gray thesis, about Civil war(cause its easy as hell) and I will make an example from my last thesis.

Ex- "Although the Civil War resulted in the supremacy of the Republican party for the next fifty years and led to a constitutional revolution regarding Africa American rights, black in teh South were virtually abandoned by the North in 1875-9( somewhere in there) and subsequently dominated by the white-supremacist Democratic party of the "Solid South." thus, to a larger extent, the Civil War did represent a revolution constitutionally and in national politics but it was not a complete revolution regarding social and political issues in the South."

While in the gray area, it is still imperitive to take a stand, that never goes away. Because it starts with although it kind of goes back on the following things said in the rest of the sentence. So in the Gray you still firmly take a stand, while providing enough points to write a good essay. If you are typing about a topic found in the text, you [B]must[/B] take a stand.

/now you know what I meant by gray.

Still, a strong essay will come if you can not only prove your point, but bring up and refute opposing points.

[QUOTE=Spaceman Spiff;13341752]Still, a strong essay will come if you can not only prove your point, but bring up and refute opposing points.[/QUOTE]

Did you read any of my posts?, the last one is filled with refutable opposing points.

Maybe I still just don't understand your gray area thing... you just seem to be sitting on the fence: "It was a revolution but it wasn't totally a revolution."

So? You can argue both ways, just pick one. Your argument is only weakened if you can't get behind one side. If you're trying to defend two opposing views, you wind up saying much less than you could if you picked one side and defended it fully.

Don't forget, an argument sound much more plausible if you qualify the other side of the argument just a little bit. But not too much.

[QUOTE=jcs497;13341855]Don't forget, an argument sound much more plausible if you qualify the other side of the argument just a little bit. But not too much.[/QUOTE]

Some people will see that as weakness in your own argument, though; if the other side can be argued and you can't refute it.

I can see why you would feel that way, Spiffy. but unless you are arguing with a complete moron, there will be some truth to what he says.

I guess it's just the way I was taught: argue as though the person reading your paper knows nothing and you are trying to to convince them that you are right.

And even aside from that, I still believe that an argument is strongest when the opposing view can't counter what you've said in any aspect without you being able to counter their point or points.

[QUOTE=Spaceman Spiff;13342110]I guess it's just the way I was taught: argue as though the person reading your paper knows nothing and you are trying to to convince them that you are right.

And even aside from that, I still believe that an argument is strongest when the opposing view can't counter what you've said in any aspect without you being able to counter their point or points.[/QUOTE]

thats how i roll



bark twice if youre in milwaukee

I don't care dude, I was merely qualifying your side of the argument a little, but not too much.

:wave:

[QUOTE=e p;13342127]thats how i roll



bark twice if youre in milwaukee[/QUOTE]
have we discussed this? is that the cheat code for contra?

what's up leftshoe?

nonsense

its from mortal kombat old man, youre out of your league

doing some photography work, made it through day two without a cigarette, discovered im an absurdist, thirsty

Lawl. I'm just arguing my side, leaving no room for counter-arguments. :p




I'm just bored.

[QUOTE=e p;13342156]nonsense

its from mortal kombat old man, youre out of your league[/QUOTE]
dang. subzero finish?

I just finished my speech. And now it feels like.....Miller Time!

[QUOTE=Jimbobntnr;13342230]dang. subzero finish?[/QUOTE]

jax sucka

dammit.

MK was best on Genesis.

MK II was the pinnacle of video gaming

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if only i had some of these to stop those blisters when i do the bicycle kick

abc abc abc

Hey all.

Hey what do you guys think of this body design I drew it out druring English Class its quite rough but.....

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ric+microwave=that

do you like the look of a microwave?

[QUOTE=e p;13342334]MK II was the pinnacle of video gaming

[IMG]http://www.gearlive.com/blogimages/gameskinz.jpg[/IMG]

if only i had some of these to stop those blisters when i do the bicycle kick

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Whoa-lee-lee-lee-lee-lee

Bicycle kick ftw.

haha yes

most devasting and annoying

or devastatingly annoying

whatever, it rocked hard

[QUOTE=HELLonWHEELS;13342391]do you like the look of a microwave?[/QUOTE]

What brand?

The one that apparently looks like my bass design. I'm looking at it now I will deffinatly make the lower horn slimmer.

[QUOTE=e p;13342426]haha yes

most devasting and annoying

or devastatingly annoying

whatever, it rocked hard[/QUOTE]

I loved the fact that you could do it as the very first move, if you pressed the right buttons before the match started.