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Street Spirit (Fade Out) 12-19-2005 08:08 PM

lately i've been listening to Old Jay-z old nas and Wutang

xxGumbyxx 12-20-2005 12:01 AM

I really like that song from Nate Dogg's album ft. Pharoah Monch. I think it's called "I Pledge Allegiance."

I was lucky enough to meet the man at the Carson, CA mall a few years ago. Just wonderin' is anyone else here from the Carson/Compton area?

Robert Crumb 12-20-2005 12:01 PM

I think I went to go see a soccer game at the Home Depot Center in Carson once. But no, not from there.

Anyone got a list of favorites from '05? I was thinking of making a thread but meh. I'll show you mine if you show me yours.

Zesty Mordant 12-20-2005 02:30 PM

[QUOTE=Robert Crumb]
Anyone got a list of favorites from '05? I was thinking of making a thread but meh. I'll show you mine if you show me yours.[/QUOTE]

I was thinking the same myself, but posting it in here may be just as good.

my Top 5 would be:

1) Common- [I]Be[/I]
2) Blackalicious- [I]The Craft[/I]
3) Quasimoto- [I]The Further Adventures of Lord Quas[/I]
4) Dangerdoom- [I]The Mouse and the Mask[/I]
5) Kanye West- [I]Late Registration[/I]

Illmatic 12-20-2005 02:45 PM

I've cooled off on Be, but I still like that one. I also really liked the new albums by Beanie Sigel, Damian Marley, and David Banner.

Ganondorf 12-20-2005 05:41 PM

Black Star

Robert Crumb 12-20-2005 08:11 PM

My order would probably change depending on the day of the week:

1. One Be Lo - SONOGRAM
2. Murs and Slug - Felt 2
3. Common - Be
4. Quasimoto - The Further Adventures...
5. Dangerdoom - The Mouse and the Mask
6. Roots Manuva - Awfully Deep
7. Blackalicious - The Craft
8. Little Brother - The Minstrel Show
9. Kanye West - Late Registration
10. Edan - Beauty and the Beat

tehfilter 12-27-2005 12:44 AM

Whos down with the guys over at Psycho+Logical records?
Im talking Necro, Ill Bill, Sabac, Mr Hyde, Goretex etc

Amit 12-27-2005 07:56 AM

[url]http://media.putfile.com/BoondocksT[/url]

I'd love songs like this...Recommendations?

Tyler 12-27-2005 03:20 PM

[QUOTE=FlyingPaul_83]Are Jedi mind tricks good?

My friend told me about them, but I havent gotten a chance to hear them yet.[/QUOTE]

They're alright, they used to be better before Jus Allah left (he came back, though). Violent By Design and Visions of Gandhi are both great albums, but you'll find that the rapping itself is nowhere as strong as Stoop's production. They're a fun, albeit aggressive group to listen to, and as long as you dont mind a few qausi-homophobic rhymes, you should be able to enjoy it.

[QUOTE=Eggo][url]http://media.putfile.com/BoondocksT[/url]

I'd love songs like this...Recommendations?[/QUOTE]

It’s kind of hard to grasp that sound from 12 seconds, but it seems as if you’re asking for some vaguely old school sounding Hiphop; some upbeat Hiphop. Definitely Jurassic 5 were the first to come to mine, but I’d say maybe check out an old Tribe Called Quest album, or maybe even some new Ugly Duckling. I don’t know if that’s what you’re really looking for, but that’s what I got.

Amit 12-27-2005 03:27 PM

Hm, the artist's name is Asheru if it helps any.

Tyler 12-27-2005 06:32 PM

[QUOTE=Eggo]Hm, the artist's name is Asheru if it helps any.[/QUOTE]


Errr...it really doesnt. Still, I think Jurassic 5 is the way to go.

just_a_girl 01-02-2006 12:28 PM

I'm so glad there was actually a hip hop thread in here somewhere.

[QUOTE=Robert Crumb]Anyone got a list of favorites from '05? I was thinking of making a thread but meh. I'll show you mine if you show me yours.[/QUOTE]

Little Brother, The Minstrel Show
Supastition, Chain Letters
Adam 12, Skeletons
Intense, The Bohemian Pimp Project

In that order...

I'll be posting reviews on all of them (pretty much just revising reviews I do for another site) plus some others. Supastition is already done if you wanna take a look. (and a comment would be nice.)

[url]http://www.sputnikmusic.com/album.php?p=4811[/url]


BTW, has anyone heard of Far East Movement? I heard a few tracks from them & was looking into getting an album (if I can find one).

LF96 01-03-2006 08:03 AM

Did you hear The Deadline? Although it's short (it's actually a warm-up EP for Chain Letters) it's much better than Chain Letters imo, seeing as the latter bores me quite a bit (much like The Minstrel Show, although Chain Letters isn't as bad as Little Brother's album). I like soulful beats, but it gets played out real fast, therefore The Deadline is enjoyable because it's not a long album.

One of the best hiphop-albums of this year which I believe isn't mentioned yet is Blockhead's Downtown Science, it's instrumental hiphop and it's niiiice. Also, Ohmega Watts' debut album The Find is very good as well, it's funky like a train. :)

just_a_girl 01-03-2006 09:23 AM

Saying that soulful beats get "played out fast" is like saying you don't like hip hop. Hip Hop was built on soul beats. Hip hop IS soul. It's merely a variation of soul where cats talk rather than sing over the beats.

The Deadline is great, but like you said, it was just a warm up for Chain Letters, Supastition's crowning glory. Liking The Deadline because it was "shorter" seems to indicate that you didn't really like the album in the first place (if you did, you wouldn't be sitting there waiting for it to end).

Minstrel Show is actually going to be my next review, which gets a better score because they have perfected the hip hop formula (or at least perfected their application of the tried and true formula that always existed in hip hop). That is, soulful beats + tight rhymes, Period.

LF96 01-03-2006 01:40 PM

Well, I like soulful beats but I don't like how dudes like 9th Wonder make them (not anymore, that is). I used to be a big fan of 9th Wonder and I still like some of his work but he spreads out his producion too thin. I mean, how many beats has he made this year, and how many did actually sound original? Most of the time he just takes a soul sample (which was a lot of the times already sampled by someone else) and puts some very weak drums on it. In my opinion that's not sampling, that's looping. What people like RJD2, DJ Shadow and recently Edan do, that's what I call producing, they actually completely rework old songs instead of just looping some theme and putting some drums on it.

Also, hiphop = soulful beats? You got some homework to do, LOTS of hiphop samples other genres, the most obvious being funk and jazz, but also rock and classical music have been sampled by hiphop-producers. Sure, a lot of the greatest beats in hiphop have soul-samples, but saying every hiphop-beat is soulful is just straight bullsh[SIZE="2"]i[/SIZE]t.

Danger Bird 01-03-2006 02:12 PM

Anybody know why an anti-semetic band like Public Enemy toured with Anthrax, when Scott Ian is Jewish?

just_a_girl 01-03-2006 02:35 PM

[QUOTE=LF96]Also, hiphop = soulful beats? You got some homework to do, LOTS of hiphop samples other genres, the most obvious being funk and jazz, but also rock and classical music have been sampled by hiphop-producers. Sure, a lot of the greatest beats in hiphop have soul-samples, but saying every hiphop-beat is soulful is just straight bullsh[SIZE="2"]i[/SIZE]t.[/QUOTE]

I didn't say hip hop = soul sample, I said it = SOULFUL beats. For instance, Limp Bizkit(sp?) is not considered hip hop; they're a type of rock band because they have no soul. Mere rapping does not a hip hop album make, hip hop requires soul. I can name you plenty of songs that have sampled non-soul songs that are still "soulful" (funk and jazz are clearly soulful genres but hip hop has also transformed less soulful rock and pop tunes.)

Examples:

KRS One, Criminal Minded (with a sample of Hey Jude by the Beatles)
De La Soul, Dog Eat Dog (with a sample of Peaceful Sundown by the Jan Hammer Group)
Jay Z, Hard Knock Life (with a sample of the same title from from the Annie Musical)

...just to name a few more popular ones. They all use pop-y samples but clearly have a "soulful" sound.

Not only did I do my homework, but I'll be offering tutoring sessions after school if you're interested.

just_a_girl 01-03-2006 03:07 PM

[QUOTE=Led-Zeppelin]Anybody know why an anti-semetic band like Public Enemy toured with Anthrax, when Scott Ian is Jewish?[/QUOTE]

Public Enemy is not an anti-semetic band. They were involved in two controversies that were misperceived as anti-semetic (most likely because the Anti-Defamation League pulls the race card more often than even the NAACP).

1) The member Professor Griff made negative comments concerning Zionists, a racist Jewish cult similar to Al'Queda in Islam or the KKK in Christianity. In spite of his explanation, he was "fired" from the group for it.

2) They made a song called "Swindler's Lust" intending to draw a comparison between the widely publicized holocaust to the much larger and less publicized tragedy of the US slave trade and the legalized disenfranchisement that followed. It was done subtly, through the title which is also repeated in the chorus, and without any lyrics degrading Jews or even the holocaust.

I mean the cofounder of their label Def Jam (who also produced their first two albums) was Jewish as well as their label mates the Beastie Boys, with whom they also toured. If they were really being anti-semetic they'd have been out of a job.

Illmatic 01-03-2006 03:21 PM

[QUOTE=just_a_girl]Public Enemy is not an anti-semetic band. They were involved in two controversies that were misperceived as anti-semetic (most likely because the Anti-Defamation League pulls the race card more often than even the NAACP).

1) The member Professor Griff made negative comments concerning Zionists, a racist Jewish cult similar to Al'Queda in Islam or the KKK in Christianity. In spite of his explanation, he was "fired" from the group for it.

2) They made a song called "Swindler's Lust" intending to draw a comparison between the widely publicized holocaust to the much larger and less publicized tragedy of the US slave trade and the legalized disenfranchisement that followed. It was done subtly, through the title which is also repeated in the chorus, and without any lyrics degrading Jews or even the holocaust.

I mean the cofounder of their label Def Jam (who also produced their first two albums) was Jewish as well as their label mates the Beastie Boys, with whom they also toured. If they were really being anti-semetic they'd have been out of a job.[/QUOTE]

Beat me to it.

Danger Bird 01-03-2006 03:48 PM

Ok, thanks.

cbmartinez 01-03-2006 04:48 PM

I've really been digging Thug Life- [I]Volume 1[/I] lately. Anyone else dig it?

ATM 01-03-2006 09:57 PM

I might get to see Wu Tang Clan :-D

Illmatic 01-03-2006 10:14 PM

[QUOTE=Slug]I might get to see Wu Tang Clan :-D[/QUOTE]

giddyup!

when?

ATM 01-03-2006 10:24 PM

WU TANG CLAN featuring RZA • Raekwon • Method Man • Masta Killa • Inspeckta Deck • U-God • GZA • Ghostface with Cappadonna • Street Life • Mathematics
w/ Bazaar Royale
7pm Doors
MON. FEB. 13
$50.00
Just Announced

Illmatic 01-03-2006 10:25 PM

50 bucks a pop?

I'm not paying 50 bucks for a ticket if ODB won't be there.

purplefeet 01-03-2006 10:26 PM

[QUOTE=Slug]WU TANG CLAN featuring RZA • Raekwon • Method Man • Masta Killa • Inspeckta Deck • U-God • GZA • Ghostface with Cappadonna • Street Life • Mathematics
w/ Bazaar Royale
7pm Doors
MON. FEB. 13
$50.00
Just Announced[/QUOTE]


Thast pretty sick.

I justed missed the 50 Cent show. I didnt have enough money to grab tickets, but I would have LOVED to gone. Canada was being mean and didnt let Olivia, Tony Yayo or Young Buck into the country for the show.

ATM 01-03-2006 10:32 PM

[QUOTE=Illmatic]50 bucks a pop?

I'm not paying 50 bucks for a ticket if ODB won't be there.[/QUOTE]

I'm definantly going to try and go. Have you seen them?

just_a_girl 01-03-2006 10:32 PM

[QUOTE=Illmatic]50 bucks a pop?

I'm not paying 50 bucks for a ticket if ODB won't be there.[/QUOTE]

Good point




But still....it's Wu Tang, is it in the md/dc area Slug? (I noticed that that's where you're from) I just moved from there back to NY.

ATM 01-03-2006 10:34 PM

[QUOTE=just_a_girl]Good point




But still....it's Wu Tang, is it in the md/dc area Slug? (I noticed that that's where you're from) I just moved from there back to NY.[/QUOTE]

Yea, it's at the 930 club.


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