Yeah English language. It's just kind of a deep and hollow sound. Singing on the OO vowel (as in food) and making it a point to keep it real deep and hollow helps too. Make sure your jaws down quite a bit to get the hollow tone.

Sry If I ask again but noone replied
 

Is their any way to use electronics effects to get a heavy metal voice (unintellible rapsy voice "cookie monster" vocals)? and save my vocal chords lol

[QUOTE=Gr3g]Is their any way to use electronics effects to get a heavy metal voice (unintellible rapsy voice "cookie monster" vocals)? and save my vocal chords lol[/QUOTE]
I'm sure. But I dont know of any. Besides...what if your gear gives out or freaks or something, then what, cancel the show or sound like shlt?

If you develop proper technique youre not gonna blow your cords but you do have to work at it. The raspiness comes from the false cords,glottis area. Kinda like you were gonna throw up. Feel that glottal area. When you get better at it you can use less and less pressure.

Get melissa Cross's dvd if you havent. Its good for metal type vocals. But I say you will get stronger and stronger if you do more clean voice singing and develop the musculature and control and flexibility you need to keep full -voice -clean- note tension on the cords.

Lets remember to warm up thoroughly too and keep nutrition in mind. and warm down.

[QUOTE=Hodl pu]I heard slippery elm really helps comfort your throat during sing. Has anyone tried this? and does it work?

Please tell me and if it does work, can someone say when to consume it? Like once a week? Or before every show?[/QUOTE]
I used to get it alot at the local health food store. They were flavored drops, a bit slippery(imagine that), not bad tasting but still a bit chalky in texture, and supposedly,per the box and illustration, hailed by opera singers since (insert very old date here).

I notice nothing at all. And if anything it will help with the throat area's general feel, and not the cords'.

By far staying hydrated and proper nutrition will reap you way more benefits. There are no gimmics or magic bullets. If you want bigger legs, you gotta workem out, stay hydrated, get plenty of rest, and proper nutrition. If you want to increase your 40 yard dash time, etc, etc. I think the biggest problem for most people is getting enough of a vocal workout and just general practice. If youre not a natural at it, then you have to practice that much more. I'm an old fogey so I've been driving for a while, but for most people, a car is priceless for vocal development. I've got a 2003 with 63000 miles on it. I guarantee you that at least 20,000 of em were not necessary to my destinations and were extra due to some type of singing work or play.

P.s. I will be seeing Circa Survive March 26 in Charlotte. Nice Band. Can't wait. I've been using him to stretch my head and I must say it is helping. Tiring...but helping. Anthony has a very light feminine structure. I bet he's a high tenor if not a freak male alto or something. He never even resolves or finishes with anything low in his voices finishing tones. I bet he CAN't sing low. ...like when a baritone sings high you can tell usually that he's trying to sing high because he will finish many passages with a lower, deeper, darker background. Hard to hear sometimes but listen to how someone finishes a note or word.

[QUOTE=Azraelscross]i know smoking is bad for your voice but how bad is it when your excersising and doing excersise and warm-ups everyday? I have a couple friends who were wondering this[/QUOTE]
general and or vocal exercise....

Its a no brainer.

It puts a load on your heart like when you put a load on a battery. Exercise puts a load on it as well. Put too many loads on any circuit and what ya get?

As far as vocals go....its simply burning and ripping your cords and thin edges(head voice) every, not most of the time, every time! Cigs have the added fiberglass to cut your lungs and increase absorption rate, so that just helps the cords fry as well. Joints and blunts are unfiltered and allow three or more times as much resin and particles to hit and burn everything in its path. So its no better.

There is noone gaining anything from smoking, regardless of what they say, think, or shoot for. Even the raspiest voice can easily be produced with technique, leaving the option for a clean voice when applicable. I smoke a cigar from time to time, but its greatly decreased since I got a cold the last two times I smoked. The second time was strep throat. Lucky It didnt affect my cords and i sang everyday right through it.

again....a no brainer all the way around

I have a question, when Kurt Cobain screams ie "yeah yeah" from lithium or "Here we are now, entertain us" from smells like teen spirit, is that actually screaming? or what is it?

.............
....and how do i do it?? :)
yes ive read everything on screaming i could find, i cant seem to work out how to do it without pain. is it supposed to feel like that "ANK" buzzer sound you can make?

Some people would call it screaming, some would call it shouting.

If you can make the ank, you can do this sound. Just try to sing that part at the same octave that you can make the ank. Then move it up a note til youre in his pitch. I'm sure he was in or around head voice alot. So this is where the glissing exercises come in handy. Be sure you sing the note first or else you might tense up the throat. Try to sing the passage first, cleanly.

[QUOTE=Merkaba]
general and or vocal exercise....

Its a no brainer.

It puts a load on your heart like when you put a load on a battery. Exercise puts a load on it as well. Put too many loads on any circuit and what ya get?

As far as vocals go....its simply burning and ripping your cords and thin edges(head voice) every, not most of the time, every time! Cigs have the added fiberglass to cut your lungs and increase absorption rate, so that just helps the cords fry as well. Joints and blunts are unfiltered and allow three or more times as much resin and particles to hit and burn everything in its path. So its no better.

There is noone gaining anything from smoking, regardless of what they say, think, or shoot for. Even the raspiest voice can easily be produced with technique, leaving the option for a clean voice when applicable. I smoke a cigar from time to time, but its greatly decreased since I got a cold the last two times I smoked. The second time was strep throat. Lucky It didnt affect my cords and i sang everyday right through it.

again....a no brainer all the way around[/QUOTE]
hmm. thought they debunked the bs fiberglass thing a long time ago. the kid smokes like 2-3 a day. Wonder how hyde does it. he still has a beautiful clean voice even after 10 years of singing and smoking

Thanks for that Merkaba, now i am just after some advice, this is me now. im ****ty is there any point in even trying to learn how to sing?
I was probably worried when i sang it and stuff but i dont want to record it again because in that time i would have chickened out and decided not to post it :(

*link edited out because it scares the living bajesus out of me :(*

this is where i run away and hide till i get enough courage to come back.
ps im 17

[QUOTE=Azraelscross]hmm. thought they debunked the bs fiberglass thing a long time ago. the kid smokes like 2-3 a day. Wonder how hyde does it. he still has a beautiful clean voice even after 10 years of singing and smoking[/QUOTE]
Well I dont think its technically called "Fiberglass". Its not like Owens Corning cut in with the stuff. But It doesnt matter.

Some people can do it. Some people eat bacon and burgers everyday and never have a "perceivable" problem. Then again some people get lung cancer at thirty.

Shoot the die.

[QUOTE=Tack]Thanks for that Merkaba, now i am just after some advice, this is me now. im ****ty is there any point in even trying to learn how to sing?
I was probably worried when i sang it and stuff but i dont want to record it again because in that time i would have chickened out and decided not to post it :(

[url]http://s24.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3V0YB11QEUQ8T041JIK1E974PE[/url]

this is where i run away and hide till i get enough courage to come back.
ps im 17[/QUOTE]
Sounds like you'd have at the least a decent singing voice, If you ever choose to actually sing!

Do motorboats, lip trills, whatever ya wanna call them. Make the motor boat sound so your lips flutter. Like youre making a motorcycle/car sound. You should be able to do this on all vowells in all octaves. And you should be able to hold it for a single note. You should do all vowels and go from your falsetto position down to mid to lower notes and vice versa and everywhere mixing it up. You will be able to feel how you need to shift to keep the air open. As you get the hang of it, learn to pressurize more air to make it louder, while keeping the lips fluttering in a steady trill. It will help you get a feel for "coming from the gut" and holding the pressure behind the cords and lungs with diaphragm control. This is what you need. You have a whole world of new voice waiting for you. Youre not using any gut. Take a bit of a deeper breath as well. Hope this helps.

Heya...

I just started vocal lessons (from a cd) and I have a question in mind. I was doing some exercises last night and I noticed that my voice breaks at the top of my chest voice - start of head voice area but then continues at the top of my head voice. So I can sing high tenor but not low tenor? Is that even normal?

Here's a link to my high tenor notes on an exercise:
[url]http://s12.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3C9EAEP9NQ49125P8XCNHUZP87[/url]

I'm sure this is not falsetto, cause it doesn't feel like it at all. So my question is, can your voice break then connect somewhere higher?

Thanks

[QUOTE=Surgicalgod]Heya...

I just started vocal lessons (from a cd) and I have a question in mind. I was doing some exercises last night and I noticed that my voice breaks at the top of my chest voice - start of head voice area but then continues at the top of my head voice. So I can sing high tenor but not low tenor? Is that even normal?

Here's a link to my high tenor notes on an exercise:
[url]http://s12.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3C9EAEP9NQ49125P8XCNHUZP87[/url]

I'm sure this is not falsetto, cause it doesn't feel like it at all. So my question is, can your voice break then connect somewhere higher?

Thanks[/QUOTE]Sounds like your last nays after the second run seems to be a jump into falsetto. If it is its close and has some good resonance for a falsetto note. This would certainly address your concerns. If your voice breaks from chest to head then its just simply tension and or a lack of practice in "flipping" into a thinner head voice. Are you doing any glisses....i.e. one continuous note from low to high, like a siren. and vice versa. It might help. Its fine to go up into falsetto, when rising, or to start off in falsetto when falling while doing glisses.

hahaha, its so hard to understand what singing from the gut feels like, would i be able to tell if im doing it? and how can you hear the difference? ahhh sorry for being so hard to teach. i seached the forums for "singing from the gut" and i went to your voice help hotline and i couldnt find where you say you explain it on pg5. :(

yea, I had some problems with finding it myself aftersomeone did the same search a while ago.

If you can do the lip trills in the way i said you'll get more of a feel for what it is. You have to hold the pressure a bit like you do if you were coughing but you dont do it as quickly. I'm gonna add this post to the singing from the gut topic.

I guess it's just lack of practice, I've only started practicing this week cause I'm a natural singer.

How is head voice supposed to feel like? Cause the exercise I'm doing is supposed to hold your vocal cords preventing them from going into falsetto. I mean i've tried singing in my chest voice then goin into falsetto with this exercise and it doesn't work, but you're saying it sounds like falsetto. Are you entirely sure?

I'll start doing glisses and other exercises daily.

Thanks Merkaba. And by the way is your username just random or are you spiritual?

[QUOTE=Surgicalgod]I guess it's just lack of practice, I've only started practicing this week cause I'm a natural singer.

How is head voice supposed to feel like? Cause the exercise I'm doing is supposed to hold your vocal cords preventing them from going into falsetto. I mean i've tried singing in my chest voice then goin into falsetto with this exercise and it doesn't work, but you're saying it sounds like falsetto. Are you entirely sure?

I'll start doing glisses and other exercises daily.

Thanks Merkaba. And by the way is your username just random or are you spiritual?[/QUOTE]
Well I cant tell ya what head voice feels like except that its true voice...its lighter, naturally...and has a ring to it from the resonance of the higher pitches. There is a buzz in true voice from the cords and the full vibration of them opening and closing in the wave pattern, as opposed to a falsetto, which is open and more or less cutting the air like a knife. As I said, sometimes you cant really tell. It would be better if you did a gliss. Start at a lower note and rise straight up to your ceiling in one continuous slide. Then on a seperate breath, start at your ceiling and slide down. You want to be able to do it smoothly with no interruptions whatsoever. If you have any, youre not transitioning well and there are some tension based technique issues. There will have to be a release, you cant just go up or down over the registers without having to adjust your cord's position. You should feel for this.

And I guess you never saw my Metaphysics,etc thread in the pit before it got accidentally erased last week by a mod when he accidentally erased the whole freaking front page of the pit's forum. I'm very spiritual, and do Merkaba Everyday.

[QUOTE=Surgicalgod]I guess it's just lack of practice, I've only started practicing this week cause I'm a natural singer.

How is head voice supposed to feel like? Cause the exercise I'm doing is supposed to hold your vocal cords preventing them from going into falsetto. I mean i've tried singing in my chest voice then goin into falsetto with this exercise and it doesn't work, but you're saying it sounds like falsetto. Are you entirely sure?

I'll start doing glisses and other exercises daily.

Thanks Merkaba. And by the way is your username just random or are you spiritual?[/QUOTE]
Well I cant tell ya what head voice feels like except that its true voice...its lighter, naturally...and has a ring to it from the resonance of the higher pitches. There is a buzz in true voice from the cords and the full vibration of them opening and closing in the wave pattern, as opposed to a falsetto, which is open and more or less cutting the air like a knife. As I said, sometimes you cant really tell. It would be better if you did a gliss. Start at a lower note and rise straight up to your ceiling in one continuous slide. Then on a seperate breath, start at your ceiling and slide down. You want to be able to do it smoothly with no interruptions whatsoever. If you have any, youre not transitioning well and there are some tension based technique issues. There will have to be a release, you cant just go up or down over the registers without having to adjust your cord's position. You should feel for this.

And I guess you never saw my Metaphysics,etc thread in the pit before it got accidentally erased last week by a mod when he accidentally erased the whole freaking front page of the pit's forum. I'm very spiritual, and do Merkaba Everyday.

[QUOTE=MetalicVampire]Hi,
I'm having problems with screamed vocals. I'm trying to do screams like the band Senses Fail. Specifically on the song "Bite to Break skin" - on the verses really short screams, and at the end theres a whole verse like part screamed. My problem is the only time I can scream is when i whisper it - when I try to raise the volume of my screaming all the "scream" goes away so to speak and it sounds very hollow and my voice sounds really cheesy etc. It's very hard to describe. If you could help it would be awesome. If you add me on msn I will be able to record some voice clips in cubase and send them to you using my Shure SM58. My msn is [email]marc134new@hotmail.com[/email][/QUOTE]

I dont have the time to get personal....its nothing personal. I just do have enough time to make it in here. Most people post a short clip on soundclick or Yousendit. I prefer those two. And I'm on dialup. If you do, post a sample of you plain voice singing as well. Screaming is a matter of throat positioning, not cord positioning. The cords will only open or close. Thats it. You can either help them or hinder them do that...but thats about it.

[QUOTE=Merkaba]
I dont have the time to get personal....its nothing personal. I just do have enough time to make it in here. Most people post a short clip on soundclick or Yousendit. I prefer those two. And I'm on dialup. If you do, post a sample of you plain voice singing as well. Screaming is a matter of throat positioning, not cord positioning. The cords will only open or close. Thats it. You can either help them or hinder them do that...but thats about it.[/QUOTE]

Is there anything in particular you want me to do because I cant really sing heh. Like by not singing I mean I dont know how to hit notes or sing in key.

If you cant scream worth a flip then its probably because you can sing. Most screamers can sing at least decently, probably because its pretty much all in the same.

If you do a sample just start on middle c with a piano or guitar and play the note as you go up continuously with it. Or sing your fave song, it doesnt matter. If your fave is a screaming song, sing it instead.

Thanks for the advice Merkaba. I still need to work alot on my voice and extend my range.

Is this what a gliss supposed to sound like?
[url]http://s30.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0NFP0Z2U022N301TWRNZDUS6FB[/url]

How can i get the black metal sound of screaming?

I can get my voice all raspy and such. Helps. Thanks much.

[QUOTE=Merkaba]If you cant scream worth a flip then its probably because you can sing. Most screamers can sing at least decently, probably because its pretty much all in the same.

If you do a sample just start on middle c with a piano or guitar and play the note as you go up continuously with it. Or sing your fave song, it doesnt matter. If your fave is a screaming song, sing it instead.[/QUOTE]
dont click on the hi version - it makes it go all helium-ised for some reason.

its me singing a part of yellowcard - empty apartment. it sucks but i did my best.
[url]http://www.soundclick.com/bands/songInfo.cfm?bandID=493638&songID=3543180[/url]

[QUOTE=Merkaba]If you cant scream worth a flip then its probably because you [B][SIZE="5"]can't [/SIZE][/B]sing. Most screamers can sing at least decently, probably because its pretty much all in the same.

If you do a sample just start on middle c with a piano or guitar and play the note as you go up continuously with it. Or sing your fave song, it doesnt matter. If your fave is a screaming song, sing it instead.[/QUOTE]


EDIT: CANT sing.....

[QUOTE=Surgicalgod]Thanks for the advice Merkaba. I still need to work alot on my voice and extend my range.

Is this what a gliss supposed to sound like?
[url]http://s30.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0NFP0Z2U022N301TWRNZDUS6FB[/url][/QUOTE]
Yes thats a gliss. do those down and up, and down and up or up and down combined on one breath. Play with them and try to keep your volume the same, while still picking different volumes to start with.

K thanks for the help! :)

How can u not make ur voice hurt after u scream? (black metal style)

i dunno whats wrong with me. i like.......lack tone in my voice? completely?

bass repetoire
 

I'm a bass voice and have recently asked my singing teacher if she can teach me more modern styles rather than classical. she told me to bring a song I want to work on with me next week but I find it very hard to find good modern rock song in my range (from low D in bass clef up two octaves and a third). really I just want a voice that sounds good with rock music. do you have any recommendations for a song I could work on?

I was trying to reach my highest note while doing glisses and I got to this.

Is this in my whistle register?

[url]http://s36.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=21V56I701TSUM1ER00QGLFDCJ2[/url]

thanks

Hey can someone listen to this and tell me if it sounds okay? Possibly a rating. It's Funeral Thirst by The Black Dahlia Murder. My voice clips a lot, I mess up the lyrics, and sometimes I don't scream it right. But please give it a listen. Thanks!
btw its callled Fuzzy's Thirst

[URL="www.soundclick.com/fuzzyhair"]www.soundclick.com/fuzzyhair[/URL]
Usually I can get the the growled MOOOREE! better but I missed it that time.

Mess up the lyrics? LOL

Yeah that was pretty good.