[QUOTE=sublimeisnice]But your a Ufip guy and i dont know anything about those cymbals so im at a loss to suggest some of those.[/QUOTE]

Heh, I play anything man, I just have utmost respect for UFiP and thing they should get more recognition (same with meinl).

I mean.. my ride's a zildjian, china and splash are wuhan and hats are ****.

The only thing that's ufip on my kit are both my crashes, and in my opinion crashes are the hardest to get perfect (Mine still aren't perfect, but the closest I've found so far.). Some people will beg to differ, but in my opinion crashes are the hardest.

I totally agree that crashes are tough to get right, and to get a good personal sound. I have sort of a crash fetish, i buy new crashes every chance i get. I like to have a large selection.

and i agree with meinl deserving recognition...if you need K customs on a budget, get Meinl byzance series....i havent had an oppurtunity to try or even see Ufip cymbal...

Byzance are not K' copies

^but there aren't totally different from them^
K Zildjian=Hand Hammered=Byzance=(don't know Paiste, Istanbul, Stagg or Blosphorus equvilents)
K Custiom=HHX=Byznace( I think)

Can i please get some help!? I use to have a Zildjian A custom 18" Projection crash but it cracked after 7 months, mosly because of my playing style. Im a heavy hitter. Anyway, i need a good crash cymbal that wont crack immediatly! I have looked into Zildjian Z custom medium crashes, are they any good? Also i need a ride, i have looked into Zildjian a sweet ride and ping rides. Please help me, i need good cymbals for playing punk! Thanks

Alright guys, thanks for the input. I've order an AAX Medium-Thin Crash(but it's out of stock at the moment, I'll know when the next shipment is tomorrow). They are the same as the AA Medium-Thin Crash, but with the Sound Control thingy, right(if they're horrible, I'll cancel my order)?

[QUOTE=Murd_666]^but there aren't totally different from them^
K Zildjian=Hand Hammered=Byzance=(don't know Paiste, Istanbul, Stagg or Blosphorus equvilents)
K Custiom=HHX=Byznace( I think)[/QUOTE]

you know a lot of things about cymbal!

firts zildjian k/custom are not hand hammered. second, if byzance are hand hammered, it will not and never be the same as another brand.

AAX and B8 are not hand hammered, do they are the same?? no.

[QUOTE=groomits]you know a lot of things about cymbal!

firts zildjian k/custom are not hand hammered. second, if byzance are hand hammered, it will not and never be the same as another brand.

AAX and B8 are not hand hammered, do they are the same?? no.[/QUOTE]

AAX and B8s are machine hammered. When Sabian first started up, they had two series, the AAs and the Hand Hammered (AA was obviously machine hammered). Now if they called a cymbal the AAX, obviously it would be machine hammered as well.

^^ yeah true, but I just wanted to say that its not because two brands are hand hammered that they will be the same.

[quote]Alright guys, thanks for the input. I've order an AAX Medium-Thin Crash(but it's out of stock at the moment, I'll know when the next shipment is tomorrow). They are the same as the AA Medium-Thin Crash, but with the Sound Control thingy, right(if they're horrible, I'll cancel my order)?[/quote]

there is no AAX Medium-thin Crash....there are Stage And Xplosion crashes are are a medium-thin weight though.....and no, it wont sound like an AA Med-thin, because the lathings, and hammerings are completely different.

the AAX by standard, should be more focused, and a tad darker than the AA.

[quote]Can i please get some help!? I use to have a Zildjian A custom 18" Projection crash but it cracked after 7 months, mosly because of my playing style. Im a heavy hitter. Anyway, i need a good crash cymbal that wont crack immediatly! I have looked into Zildjian Z custom medium crashes, are they any good? Also i need a ride, i have looked into Zildjian a sweet ride and ping rides. Please help me, i need good cymbals for playing punk! Thanks[/quote]

if your cracking an A Custom Projection, then look into Z Rock Crashes, and a teacher for good technique. for the ride, go with the Ping.

[QUOTE=bobby__johnny]there is no AAX Medium-thin Crash....there are Stage And Xplosion crashes are are a medium-thin weight though.....and no, it wont sound like an AA Med-thin, because the lathings, and hammerings are completely different.

the AAX by standard, should be more focused, and a tad darker than the AA.[/QUOTE]

Hm..., I'll check it with the dealer. If there was no AAX Medium Thin, how could he be asking for RM530 from me for a cymbal that doesn't exist?

Anywho, thank God I asked before I paid. So, are there any cymbals from the AAX series similar to what I've asked for(bright, elegent crash)?

i'd say the AAX Stage Crash is your best bet....also, one other i had forgot to mention, the AAX Bright Crash is a medium-thin.

i say cancel your order and go AA....i'd take those over AAX's anyday.

Hey im new to this forum/board
Just wondering if i could have a few suggestions from you people.
Im looking to purchase new cymbals preferable for hard rock/metal music, i would be very grateful for some suggestions in what to look out for.

^^welcome man!!

and what is your price range and the sound you want?? it will be easier for us to help you.

yeah man, the only thing i ask of in this thread, is that you be descriptive. Bright,Dark, heavy, thin, cymbal types, brand preferences etc....

and if on a budget, please let us know what your willing to spend. it helps me be especially precise.

Price shouldnt be a problem im going to save until ive got the right money. Preferances really Sabian or Paiste ive got Ziljdian ZXT cymbals at the moment and i really dont like them.
With the crash im looking for something that has a nice dark aggressive and explosive sound but doesnt keep ringing after, my current ZXT does that and i dont really like it.
With the ride cymbal aggressive ping but still not to keep ringing afterwards.
Sorry about the explanations if there not useful im a newbie as you can guess lol

For the ride, try a 20" A Ping Ride.

[quote]With the crash im looking for something that has a nice dark aggressive and explosive sound but doesnt keep ringing after, my current ZXT does that and i dont really like it.[/quote]

that sounds like an HHXplosion crash to me.

[quote]With the ride cymbal aggressive ping but still not to keep ringing afterwards.
Sorry about the explanations if there not useful im a newbie as you can guess[/quote]

Paiste Signature Power ride. will seem like it rings forever on your own, but throw in guitars to the mix, and it will be all ping, and no ring.

thanks for the suggestions.
i will look into it sometime during the week.

thanks

[QUOTE]you know a lot of things about cymbal!

firts zildjian k/custom are not hand hammered. second, if byzance are hand hammered, it will not and never be the same as another brand.

AAX and B8 are not hand hammered, do they are the same?? no.[/QUOTE]Thats not exactly what I meant, I meant that they are high quality darker cymbals of the company.^^AA Rock Ride might work too...^^

the aa rock ride is a lot more bright than dark in my opinion...

I know the AA rock ride was dark at all though I was talking about for the kind of ride jhonmc66 wanted

ha ok lol

[QUOTE=groomits]you know a lot of things about cymbal!

firts zildjian k/custom are not hand hammered. second, if byzance are hand hammered, it will not and never be the same as another brand.

AAX and B8 are not hand hammered, do they are the same?? no.[/QUOTE]

are the sabian B8s good? I don't know anything about them, but my schools practice drum set has B8 crash and ride cymbals.

they are the "lower" from sabian, even if i prefer them to Sabian's Solar, but they do the job well... For certains cymbals, the change to B8 Pro is worth it for not much... ex. for the chinese.

thanks a lot. That was pretty helpful.

Yeah, I played on B8s for the first time today, and they weren't too bad (of course I was wearing ear plugs and playing with a band, but that's besides the point).

Of course, nothing beats the AAs instead.

[QUOTE=Seafroggys]Yeah, I played on B8s for the first time today, and they weren't too bad (of course I was wearing ear plugs and playing with a band, but that's besides the point).
[/QUOTE]

yeah man, entry level cymbals arent as bad as people say they are. I kinda liked the sound of ZXT cymbals.

One of my friends has a really dirty ZBT-Plus medium ride.. and it didnt sound too bad.

[if your cracking an A Custom Projection, then look into Z Rock Crashes, and a teacher for good technique. for the ride, go with the Ping.]

I have a techer and he says that i have really good techniques, its jsut cuz i hit so **** hard. He says i'm like dave grohl...witch by the way is ****ing cool!

[QUOTE=Seafroggys]Yeah, I played on B8s for the first time today, and they weren't too bad (of course I was wearing ear plugs and playing with a band, but that's besides the point).

Of course, nothing beats the AAs instead.[/QUOTE]


Can't agree more, AA's kick some serious ***.