Falsetto?
 

Sorry for the two posts in a row, but how exactly do you do a falsetto scream?

with falsetto and rasp

[QUOTE=luciano]thanx merka!!! i am eagerly waiting.

i uploaded another version, this one is ogg vorbis file, so you need winamp 5 to read it. it is also rapidshare.

[url]http://rapidshare.de/files/2914031/dr_stein_lu.ogg.html[/url][/QUOTE]

still waiting....
if you want to, you can mail me at [email]hechesi@yahoo.com[/email]

first version (mp3)
[url]http://rapidshare.de/files/2856106/dr_stein-04.mp3.html[/url]

last and better version (ogg)
[url]http://rapidshare.de/files/2914031/dr_stein_lu.ogg.html[/url]

if rapidshare doesn't work, mail me and i'll send it through mail.

[QUOTE=StormX]Ah, I pretty much totally forgot about this forum, I've been too busy in D&P.

anyway, merkaba, i'm not sure if you ever remember talking to me, but I was trying to scream, and I still can't really. It always ends up being a whisper scream, no matter how hard I try not to. If it's not, it's not really a good scream and it hurts. I've tried doing it from the gut and all that, but its just the whisper stuff. Also, if I try to do it not whisper, it sounds bad.

Basically, how do I get past this annoying whisper barrier?[/QUOTE]
Bringing it up to attention again

Storm, the only thing I can recommend is that you sing. I'm 99 percent sure youre trying to get the rasp so hard that youre shifting all kinds of stuff around looking for it. THe note comes first. learn to sing hard first, and the rasping will come. You will need diaphragm support though. Got any samples?

Yes, you might have to remind me if I skip over you. Sometimes I might not be around for a day due to my work and the next thing you know youre on an old page or I just plain ran out of time. Isolate, and sing.

[QUOTE=MetalFan]
I would like some information on [B]growling [/B] or "singing from the gut" as you call it, so I was wondering if there are [B]other resources [/B] besides page 5 of this thread.[/QUOTE]

:wave:

[QUOTE=Merkaba-1]Storm, the only thing I can recommend is that you sing. I'm 99 percent sure youre trying to get the rasp so hard that youre shifting all kinds of stuff around looking for it. THe note comes first. learn to sing hard first, and the rasping will come. You will need diaphragm support though. Got any samples?

Yes, you might have to remind me if I skip over you. Sometimes I might not be around for a day due to my work and the next thing you know youre on an old page or I just plain ran out of time. Isolate, and sing.[/QUOTE]

Sounds like a good idea, except I can't sing.

I try to sing, yes, but it just sounds like I'm talking.

Basically I just suck :upset:

[QUOTE=Merkaba-1]Hey no fair...using cornell to get at me. Dammit. Thats one of my faves too. Gees. That part is typical rasp technique...but you have to have some control and flexibility to get an even tone like he does. Its just not impossible if you learn technique which...lets face it...is hard to do over the net. I cant stress enough the ability to isolate. You should practice it until you get what I'm talking about. I'll try to record that soon....It takes alot of push to get it to sound like he does though. I would do it now but its 8 in the morning and its way loud.

"Once upon a time..."[/QUOTE]


mabe u forgot...

<plea for help>

My throat starts hurting within a couple of minutes when I'm screaming. I know I'm doing something wrong... but I can't really figure out what.

>_<

Are there any really good exercises to get my throat more used to screaming and/or stop it from hurting so friggin much?

</plea for help>

Don't force the scream, and don't try to make it in your throat (I hope thats right)

It should be like singing, but you just push more.
but I can't do it so that may be wrong

[QUOTE=StormX]Don't force the scream, and don't try to make it in your throat (I hope thats right)

It should be like singing, but you just push more.
but I can't do it so that may be wrong[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I think that was my problem. Up till now, I've been using my throat a LOT to get the raspy scream out. I guess I'll work on using my abdomen more for that.

:p

From what I understand, you've got to push from your gut.

Read all the threads in the first post, a lot of help. Espicially the one about breathing opposite of normal, it helps tons.

[QUOTE=crazyguy832]Yeah, I think that was my problem. Up till now, I've been using my throat a LOT to get the raspy scream out. I guess I'll work on using my abdomen more for that.

:p[/QUOTE]


You need yout throat to get the rasp.

The power comes from the diaphragm. The sound comes from the back of your throat. If you want more rasp, push more. But don't overdo the pushing.

[QUOTE=Rats]with falsetto and rasp[/QUOTE]


Har har. Gah, you're right, but I can see his point. I can't do a falsetto scream, at all, but I can scream from the gut with added rasp.

[QUOTE=Merkaba-1]You might be pulling down with the root of your tonque, and doing it forcefully as you go about the scream forcefully. If you pull with the root of your tongue its like if you were sayin "ew" really hard at something gross. Thats really the only way i can describe it. Many people do this to open the throat but Its considered a nono as well because you can pull the tongue back and add pressure as your block the air flow again. Pay attention to your tongue and see what its doing. If you pull it back and in really hard it might could cause your feeling...that and overpushing.

Sing a word that ends in "ee"ng. Like singing. what your tongue does to hold the ng...(or should do) is kinda like home base for alot of mid to head notes. Feel how the sides of the tongue want to press against the teeth. Or more than likely they will. If not then try to find this feeling, but dont overmanipulate anything to get there if you dont do it naturally. But if you do do it...you might can notice a big difference. It keeps your tongue out of your way and looser. The point is to make sure the tongue is out of the way. Other than that its either over push or you contracting part of the tract out ot tension issues. Some people have stomach problems and acid reflux from singing. So its not impossible that youre tensing some wrong muscles.[/QUOTE]


I think I'm overdoing it. I just practiced a bit today and just..relaxed more, and it helped. I strained something too much, for some reason. My screams always sounded better without straining anything, I think I just wanted to get more out of my screams than necassery, causing me to strain/tense too much. I relaxed again and it sounded good.

I'll pay more attention to my tongue, though. Thanks.

You need to isolate your cords.
Warm up, practice glisses, and work on falsetto alot. If you understand how to add rasp with your throat, then just try adding that rasp while using falsetto. When I first tried that, it took ALOT of pushing, but I knew I was using the right tecnique so I kept doing it, and it didn't hurt (except for my stomach because I was tired from pushing so much :p haha).

But yeah, you just need to work on falsetto, you need to be able to sing the note in falsetto first... if you can't do that, well... start at page 1 of this thread. :thumb:

[QUOTE=CDoasis]
But yeah, you just need to work on falsetto, you need to be able to sing the note in falsetto first... if you can't do that, well... start at page 1 of this thread. :thumb:[/QUOTE]


Actually, I can rasp my falsetto. I jsut can't scream with it. I know I'll figure it out eventually, though.

[QUOTE=Kosta]Actually, I can rasp my falsetto. I jsut can't scream with it. I know I'll figure it out eventually, though.[/QUOTE]
Like I said..alot of those staticky sounding mudvayne, deftones, pantera, etc screams arent falsetto. They are head.

But yes it will take some push, and you use the glottal region of the throat, like if you were going to gargle the note(thanks Kristina again). But concentrate on getting the note first, then try to "gargle" it,kinda. Now with time you might have to switch a bit to get a better feel but this is one of the muscle groups youre needed to seperate from the cords, and its actually right above the true cords and are comprised of your larynx and false cords. NO they are not used for falsetto.

You control rasp based on how much you close up this area and how much push. All of that will be in a linear relationship with your strength and technique. I hate saying that because I dont have the strongest voice on the planet by far..but thats just how it works. With time you can grow a lot though. And yes, relaxing is key.

[QUOTE=StormX]Sounds like a good idea, except I can't sing.

I try to sing, yes, but it just sounds like I'm talking.

Basically I just suck :upset:[/QUOTE]
Then you need to sing!
Sing along with your favorites, if you listen to anything that has true singing in it that is.

[QUOTE=Merkaba-1]Like I said..alot of those staticky sounding mudvayne, deftones, pantera, etc screams arent falsetto. They are head.

But yes it will take some push, and you use the glottal region of the throat, like if you were going to gargle the note(thanks Kristina again). But concentrate on getting the note first, then try to "gargle" it,kinda. Now with time you might have to switch a bit to get a better feel but this is one of the muscle groups youre needed to seperate from the cords, and its actually right above the true cords and are comprised of your larynx and false cords. NO they are not used for falsetto.

You control rasp based on how much you close up this area and how much push. All of that will be in a linear relationship with your strength and technique. I hate saying that because I dont have the strongest voice on the planet by far..but thats just how it works. With time you can grow a lot though. And yes, relaxing is key.
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I feel like a burden, asking all these questions you have awnsered before. Then I think to myself "hah, he made this topic, he asked for it himself".

No seriously, thanks a lot for helping me out with this. All of it. I can't afford vocal lessons now and I'm very dedicated my screaming and I've started to apply a lot of things I learned for my screaming for clean vocals. And it helps so much.

I have no idea how to find my head voice and use it, but you probably mentioned it somewhere before, so I will now try to find it.

[QUOTE=loki_cmr]mabe u forgot...[/QUOTE]

MERKABA?!?!

Merkaba?
 

Thanks for the reply merk
One more thing though, i can only seem to scream a certain note. If i try to go higher, it comes out more like a ... gurgling... or something lol. Is it because my throat it tensing up or something?
I also can't seem to scream words just... sounds. What is the trick to doing that?
[url]http://www.soundclick.com/bands/1/mikeyess_music.htm[/url] << Can anyone listen to the new screams in here and let me know how they sound?

[QUOTE=MikeyEss]Thanks for the reply merk
One more thing though, i can only seem to scream a certain note. If i try to go higher, it comes out more like a ... gurgling... or something lol. Is it because my throat it tensing up or something?
I also can't seem to scream words just... sounds. What is the trick to doing that?
[url]http://www.soundclick.com/bands/1/mikeyess_music.htm[/url] << Can anyone listen to the new screams in here and let me know how they sound?[/QUOTE]


How the **** do you people scream so...soft? I mean, do you actually scream? I don't get it, when I scream, it's so loud, I can't record it because my scream's volume distorts the mic too much - I'm using a ****ty computer mic, though.

[QUOTE=Kosta]How the **** do you people scream so...soft? I mean, do you actually scream? I don't get it, when I scream, it's so loud, I can't record it because my scream's volume distorts the mic too much - I'm using a ****ty computer mic, though.[/QUOTE]


How close do you scream into the mic? I usually hold it some ways away from my mouth.

[QUOTE=MikeyEss]How close do you scream into the mic? I usually hold it some ways away from my mouth.[/QUOTE]


I keep it about 3 feet away from me.

I don't have the problem with the regular mic we use at bandpractice, though.

Edit: Merkaba, I searched headvoice/head voice and couldn't find ****. How do I acces my head voice and how do I make use of it?

dude merkaba im still waiting for that Shadow On The Sun recording u promised :confused:

[QUOTE=loki_cmr]dude merkaba im still waiting for that Shadow On The Sun recording u promised :confused:[/QUOTE]


Believe it or not, the guy has a life. Stop complaining and just be thankful he's helping so many posters out.

[QUOTE=Kosta]I keep it about 3 feet away from me.

I don't have the problem with the regular mic we use at bandpractice, though.

Edit: Merkaba, I searched headvoice/head voice and couldn't find ****. How do I acces my head voice and how do I make use of it?[/QUOTE]

the best way to find it is doing the siren exercise that is described in one of the threads. if you need help, just let me know.

sorry, perhaps you were looking just for his answer, but since he isn't posting, i think we better help ourselves.

hope that helps. bye!!

[QUOTE=luciano]the best way to find it is doing the siren exercise that is described in one of the threads. if you need help, just let me know.

sorry, perhaps you were looking just for his answer, but since he isn't posting, i think we better help ourselves.

hope that helps. bye!![/QUOTE]


I'm looking for awnsers in general, any awnser is welcome, so thanks.

I'll still wait for Merkaba, though.

Hey Merkaba (or anyone else who can help for that matter)

I've been singing for a few years and I just got to the point where I can hit notes very fluently mostly within a baritone range. I can hit notes from about A2 until about C3 the strongest, but anything too farther above that or below sounds very weak.

I've been trying all kinds of power excercises and it just seems to hurt my vocals, I don't notice any improvements. Could you give me a list (or a link) to a list of good power excercises. Does it help to sing to the radio or to cds constantly, like if I'm in the car. Berkley guys say it's bad to sing in the car...is that true? Thanks.

[QUOTE=Kosta]Believe it or not, the guy has a life. Stop complaining and just be thankful he's helping so many posters out.[/QUOTE]

i'm not complaining and i am thankful. :thumb: