[QUOTE=A_Tossed_Dwarf]well I haven't posted in a while - moving into college and stuff. Once I get some time and know that I won't scare every single person in the dorms, I'll get some new screams recorded. The grind-core vox hurt a bit still but they sound siiicckkkk.[/QUOTE]

Pain=Damage

just remember that

alright, ive got a set of questions here: first of all, #3 says "make a weird grin thing by lifting your jaws' or whatever and i don't get that, but it sounds really important; can somebody explain that? also, how do i know if the scream is coming from my stomach or chest or throat? and how do i control which it comes out of, and which do i want it to come out of for what types of screams? i just tried screaming Metallica - Ride The Lightning and i could do it and it sounded cool but i would start to taste blood in my throat and my throat hurts now, so i know i wasnt doing it right.

well, its like if you are going to pretend snore. you know how you have to look like a snarling dog. at least thats how i feel.

Everything really comes from the gut. so dont overthink it. its just that if you have proper support AND a relaxed throat then you shouldnt feel alot of pressure in the throat. when you dont have enough support, you will tend to close your throat off to build up the pressure you feel you need. but this pressure comes at the expense of your cords because its not balance with whats being released. you should check out my audio samples. it might give you a bit to listen to that might help you. "coming from the gut" is the same feel as if youre were going to cough or grunt. as far as the diaphragm. now you dont want to sing with that much pressure, but it is the feeling that you need to be in touch with. you have to be able to hold that pressure behind the cords and keep it there, instead of blasting it like a cough. but its the same feeling of the belly button pressing up and in.

and yea, the taste of blood is just not good. There is a chance that you were blasting so much air against your throat that it kinda blasts your throat. if you have a soft throat. does it hurt behind your adams apple or like when you have a sore throat?

and all notes really should come from the gut. you can apply different pressure as needed. its like having a tank. you fill it up and you can dispense it as you need. now its not good to deeply inhale for one short or low note. you usually have too much air for a short note. but you still use the support from the diaphragm to take the tension off of your throat.

its weird, if I scream I either go in my head voice and sound like a little girl, or sing from my tummy:D and sound growlish...Maybe my voice is to deep???

Could anyone please take the time and listen to my screams on one of my bands songs? I'm not the singer in the band, I do backing vocals as well as the prominent screams you hear on "Casualties Are On Both Sides". Our singer also did a few less prominent screams.

The song can be found here: [url]http://www.guaranteedalifetime.com[/url]

Am I doing things the right way and what do you think of the sound? Also, comments on the song are more than welcome!

So, I have a question for you Merkaba-1.

I am in a metal band... and I can do deep vocals pretty well, but if I try to do a higher falsetto scream, I end up not harming my voice or so (or so I think) and i can go back to my growls, but afterwards it kinda feels like my throat is somewhat irritated. Somewhat, not immensly.

So question for you... how would I know whether or not I am doing the falsetto scream properly? I do not feel any irritation DURRING the process, but i feel a little dry afterwards.

Also... am i harming anything permanantly if I am growling by doing the grunting voice (you know, caveman style) then pushing air through and forming words? I feel a vibration at the back of my throat, but I am not completely sure if I am doing it improperly.

Thanks buddy.

you get the same thing as me........also when i breathed in deeply after i was practicing for about 1 an a half hours i kept getting a tickle in my throat an had to cough??????am i doing damage

I can't believe this thread I made is still alive :D

props to Merkaba-1 for maintaining it so well. :chug:

[QUOTE=Spliggity Splot(I got banned)]its weird, if I scream I either go in my head voice and sound like a little girl, or sing from my tummy:D and sound growlish...Maybe my voice is to deep???[/QUOTE]

if youre still in your head voice you have to open up to falsetto to get that static sound distortion. you can rasp a high head voice note though, to give it more of a bite, unless you want it girly sounding. If you want a high scream youre gonna have to practice falsetto notes, not head.

[QUOTE=metaliq]So, I have a question for you Merkaba-1.

I am in a metal band... and I can do deep vocals pretty well, but if I try to do a higher falsetto scream, I end up not harming my voice or so (or so I think) and i can go back to my growls, but afterwards it kinda feels like my throat is somewhat irritated. Somewhat, not immensly.

So question for you... how would I know whether or not I am doing the falsetto scream properly? I do not feel any irritation DURRING the process, but i feel a little dry afterwards.

Also... am i harming anything permanantly if I am growling by doing the grunting voice (you know, caveman style) then pushing air through and forming words? I feel a vibration at the back of my throat, but I am not completely sure if I am doing it improperly.

Thanks buddy.[/QUOTE]

are you sure this irritation isnt from the air hitting your throat? that might take some getting used to and i still get it sometimes, especially if i havent done alot of work in a while. If you know its your cords, around your adams apple, then you need to work on technique. If it feels like its related to a scratchy throat like allergies or when you swallow, then its not your cords. if there is no pain and your speaking voice isnt affected, then i would say keep going so you can really identify what it is. its hard to "feel" your cords being dry, so im thinking its your throat.

when youre doing low vocals your cords are thicker so you need a little more push. But just be sure to try to relax and still work on coming from the gut. you still want the rasp to be in the back of the throat. its best to drop your jaw a bit and keep your head level, maybe slightly tucking your chin. i know with performing we tend to do wild shlt but try to keep that in mind. plus you can just keep your eyes on the crowd more, use it to your advantage. again, practice sining the low notes first.

and check out my samples as far as the falsetto stuff goes, and the rasp too. it might help you a bit.

again, let discomfort and your speaking voice be your guides.

[QUOTE=Winter-seed...AKA b&h]you get the same thing as me........also when i breathed in deeply after i was practicing for about 1 an a half hours i kept getting a tickle in my throat an had to cough??????am i doing damage[/QUOTE]

well probabaly from mucous on the cords.

no pain?/speaking voice?

warm down.

[QUOTE=sliver]I can't believe this thread I made is still alive :D

props to Merkaba-1 for maintaining it so well. :chug:[/QUOTE]


i just do what i do. what i can. :thumb:

:chug: <--- (cherry coke please)

[QUOTE=frisb]Could anyone please take the time and listen to my screams on one of my bands songs? I'm not the singer in the band, I do backing vocals as well as the prominent screams you hear on "Casualties Are On Both Sides". Our singer also did a few less prominent screams.

The song can be found here: [url]http://www.guaranteedalifetime.com[/url]

Am I doing things the right way and what do you think of the sound? Also, comments on the song are more than welcome![/QUOTE]

its hard to tell since its in the backgroung kinda. but i must say that my initial response was that its a little throaty, kinda like theres not enough gut support and youre squeezing the throat to compensate and pushing harder than you need. it sounds forced. It just sounds like it to me based more on experience. But again, its hard for me to tell for sure. how do you feel ?

[QUOTE=Merkaba-1]well probabaly from mucous on the cords.

no pain?/speaking voice?

warm down.[/QUOTE]

yea i didnt warm down :upset:
but yea my speaking voice if fine an no pain....just scratchy

thanks for that dude.....ur a mad help :thumb:

well hey, i would keep going. i mean youre working out so. its probably your throat, and not your cords. but i dont know. just dont rush it and feel yourself out. you'll develop your own sense of whats good and bad based on how quickly you feel fatigue, lose notes, and get discomfort.

remember you lungs are way stronger than your cords. find the balance point for optimal air push and optimal sound. if i could draw a graph , as push increases volume and tone increase too, but as you keep increasing push, the more the line starts to go down on the side that says quality, tone, stamina,etc. ya know.

see ya

Hey sorry to bug you about this its probably somewhere else in this huge thread but i just started screaming for my band and like a month ago i couldnt scream at all. and i practiced for a while and now i can but my scream goes in and out some days it sounds good and others like crap. i want to know why that is and some basic tips for a beginner screamer. I would love to sound like As I Lay Dying or that type.

Merkaba-

Yea, it might just be air irritation in the back of the throat. Is there anything to take to keep the throat from gettin dry? I know water and such... and ive tried honey, and it doesnt help an extreme amount.

I dont think i could find anything in your stickied thread, so is there a way to get used to it more quickly.

As well... if there is 'phlem' (or whatever, haha) in your throat for metal growls, it shouldnt harm it really would it? Because i noticed milk helps with that, but its not good for singing... but I really am not singing in a classical sense.

Also- so grunting to growl/scream is the proper technique? I am trying to go from the gut, but I am still not quiet understanding how that works. I think I am getting it, but I still have to grunt per-say.

Thanks man.

just stay hyrdrated. i would recommend gargling with salt water and or listerine, and or hydrogen peroxide after you know your forceful duties for the day are through. it will help to keep that area from getting infected or getting a sore throat. There is a tea called throat coat that you can try. i've never tried it but a few instructors mention it.

my opinion is just say no to milk. i just posted a book on it in another thread. whats gonna happen is that the extra mucous makes you have to push harder to get your tone and youre back at square one. just sing low, and rasp it. its all the same. practicing singing that note like an opera dude is the best way. that way you know you have to strength set up to be able to rasp it without extra undue pressure, or strain or tension.

and no, grunting is wrong. i do think that i mentioned that you dont grunt, but its the PRESSURE that you feel like a grunt. maybe i need to make that clearer. but no you dont grunt, but its almost like youre getting ready to. you need that feel. grunting is usually a tense larynx move. you can practice by lightly grunting with a blank face like isolation exercises. just barely do it. and you ll feel the same pressure in the gut and on the cords. then just work from there to a hum, then a note. just dont tense up like you might with a grunt. a grunt also doesnt allow enough airflow for a big push note. but to get the feel of the pressure in the gut and cords its pretty dead on.

okok one more question.....i know im a pain in the *** ay? :cool:
ok it feels like i got the scream now an im kinda happy with the sound of it...its not perfect but im assuming over time ill get better at it. This scream causes no pain excpt a small amount of scratching but now my falsetto is gone...could it be from over practicing or is this something bad...cause i shat my pants :confused:

heres my scream ........i did it in a song to sound cooler :naughty: haha nah its all good.
[url]http://www.soundclick.com/bands/3/gnikregrubmusic.htm[/url]
thanks for any advice given.

[QUOTE=LivingDeadBoy]Thanks a lot for all this tips, i will be uploading my screaming shortly for evaluation.. but to compare i just wondered, can someone tell me how Poison The well does their screams? I sound somewhat like Alex is on fire(i hate the band though) Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]
...

Merkaba-1:

Okay I recorded something... not sure when it will clear, but here is the link...

[url]http://www.soundclick.com/updateband/SongInfoCharts.cfm?BandID=230699[/url]

Its of how i do the metal scream... but its not very full, so it isnt actually how I do it... people are here and I dont want to disturb the peace, lol.

I have been practicing for about a year now on and off, and now that I have a band I need to make sure im donig this properly. You should be able to tell somewhat if I am screwing up completely :).

Thanks man.

EDIT: Aight, i found out no one was home (haha) and I added a falsetto and a somewhat full scream/growl.

you got any tips on children of bodom type screaming?

also you said that low end growling is easy
could you explain it alittle of link me to someone that does?

[QUOTE=metaliq]Merkaba-1:

Okay I recorded something... not sure when it will clear, but here is the link...

[url]http://www.soundclick.com/updateband/SongInfoCharts.cfm?BandID=230699[/url]

Its of how i do the metal scream... but its not very full, so it isnt actually how I do it... people are here and I dont want to disturb the peace, lol.

I have been practicing for about a year now on and off, and now that I have a band I need to make sure im donig this properly. You should be able to tell somewhat if I am screwing up completely :).

Thanks man.


EDIT: Aight, i found out no one was home (haha) and I added a falsetto and a somewhat full scream/growl.[/QUOTE]

I think you need to get me a better link first! hehe

Ah yes! Im a loser. Here is the correct link man. Thanks.

[url]http://www.soundclick.com/bands/9/metaliqmusic.htm[/url]

They are now cleared and ready for downloading... :)

noone ever answers my questions eh?

Allright....here's my deal. I can do the really low death metal growls like glass casket (the heaviest vocals they do... see "In Between the Sheets" at about 1:27). I'm really pushing from my gut, keeping my mouth more closed than usual, and have my chin slightly more down that normal. I can also match the rest of the vocals ( -the clean part) but if I haven't been singing these ways in a while my throat has that "I feel like I might cough" kind of tingle after a bit of this. But after resting, doing more, resting, doing more.....I can do it continuously with no irritation. I've been singing a lot lately and haven't had irritation in.....well...a long time. Is this beginning irritation something I should be worried about or does my voice just need that breaking in? Also, I can do the Norma Jean type screaming, but I have to push harder to get it (once again....no irritation) which ends of overpowering the mic unless I hold it waaaaaaaay too far away. I think I might be depending too much on pushing from my gut but want your advice. I've been somewhat hessitant to use my throat to distort my voice because a friend in a band told me that doing this can take away from your range if you do it too much or in the wrong way. Just wondering if you could help me out here of if this is just a myth.

no one answered mine either........i feel so alone :upset:

[QUOTE=LivingDeadBoy]noone ever answers my questions eh?[/QUOTE]

All by myyy seheeeyelf, dont wanna be ...all by my seheeyelf....

sorry, but i dont know who poison the well is. But i guarantee they are either wailing a loud high note like a banshee, or they are forcefully singing any note in any pitch and rasping it off the back of their throats.

[QUOTE=Winter-seed...AKA b&h]okok one more question.....i know im a pain in the *** ay? :cool:
ok it feels like i got the scream now an im kinda happy with the sound of it...its not perfect but im assuming over time ill get better at it. This scream causes no pain excpt a small amount of scratching but now my falsetto is gone...could it be from over practicing or is this something bad...cause i shat my pants :confused:

heres my scream ........i did it in a song to sound cooler :naughty: haha nah its all good.
[url]http://www.soundclick.com/bands/3/gnikregrubmusic.htm[/url]
thanks for any advice given.[/QUOTE]
sounds good, but it sounds extremely hard. how much are you pushing? if its alot, you should try to find a way to get it without pushing so much. i cant tell though, so..... that could be why you get some scratching, and why your falsetto is gone. your falsetto shouldnt be gone. you might lose a not or two due to fatigue after a long time, or the quality will be shltty, but thats it. After a two and half hour session i usually feel like my falsetto is stronger, or at least more flexible. my sustain sucks cause of fatigue.

the thing is , with falsetto, your vibrating only the outer edges of the cords. so if youre wailing a hard chest voice youre really taxing that edge because in chest voice its closed and vibrating together a few hundred times a second. falsetto , they open up. so if you can , you want to scream from a falsetto openness, even if its not a high note. it only takes a few chest voice screams to get your cords heated and tired. if theyre swollen or got a mucous parka on then you can forget it.