I have the 18". Its quite trashy and loud and semi bright but more dark. So the 20" might be darker and louder with a longer decay.

[QUOTE=ronald_villiers;15252141]I'm looking for a cymbal pack for practice at home. I play heavy metal. I was having a look at the Sabian AA Metal X Box set (20 Ride, 16 crash, 14 Hats), and the Zildjian ZHT Rock cymbal pack. I could get the Zildjian pack £40 cheaper than the Sabian. Does anyone have any experience with these and could offer their opinions?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]

I would look at the Sabian XS20 set, it is similar to ZHT price wise. If you're going for AAs they are considered "pro", i.e. higher price and quality, but they're good cymbals, thjough personally as someone already said I would go for something more versatile, e.g. the AA 'normal' set (AA medium thin crash, medium ride, regular hats) or AAX set (stage ride, stage crash, stage hats), and they will still be amazing for playing metal. I think there may be also an "AA rock set" with AA rock hats and crash and some sort of ride, but I could be wrong, it has been known (!).

[QUOTE=Daven;15259103]Sorry, its the Thrash China.[/QUOTE]

The china trash has a very short decay from what I remember and a very 'trashy' sound, if that at all helps

[quote=Mike Goes Numb;15252348]Oh, so Phil, I assume the dark hats sound just as sexy open, yes? I'm hoping so.[/quote]

Hell yes.

I say when we hit Pg 300 we start Version 2.0 seeing as bobby_johnny hasn't been around in a long *** time haha.

[QUOTE=White;15296809]I say when we hit Pg 300 we start Version 2.0 seeing as bobby_johnny hasn't been around in a long *** time haha.[/QUOTE]

no, no need for new ones. Besides, I'm only on page 198.

nah...149

the cymbal finder is a legacy...it will never die.

[QUOTE=enemytopublic2;15299491]nah...149

the cymbal finder is a legacy...it will never die.[/QUOTE]

it will not close. ever.

[QUOTE=bobby__johnny;15299854]it will not close. ever.[/QUOTE]

He returns.....................where have you been! haha I use to ahve you on my MSN lol, I remember you and The Glass Prison were my two favorite MXers lol. but time has moved on and now, you are nothing.............haha kiddin, yo

i'm working right now :P

just live has been busy for many things is all

[QUOTE=Ollie The Drumming Legend;15275015]or AAX set (stage ride, stage crash, stage hats), and they will still be amazing for playing metal.[/QUOTE]

i use a AAX stage ride (20") and a AAX stage crash (18"). the crash would be great for metal, but i dont really see the ride being used for metal, imo. you could deff use it for metal, but i wouldn't.

i love my 16" AAX Stage crash

I'm not as keen on the stage stuff. I much prefer the studio ones

[QUOTE=bobby__johnny;15300826]i love my 16" AAX Stage crash[/QUOTE]

i have the 18 and 16 and they are both sweet ol caca.

I just found a shop near me selling Bosphoros, Istanbul Agops AND Mehmets! Awesome!

Recently cracked my B8 crash. Ive had it for 3 years and i batter it shitless. But i have good technique i think it's just wear of a poor cymbal that cracked it. It's about half a cm long the crack.

Looking for:

Thin crash
Medium Decay
Open's up pretty easily and well
About 16" or 17".

Ideas?

I want it to explode!

17" A Custon crash, for the explosion, projection?

17" AAXplosion.
16" K Custom Fast Crash?

[QUOTE=the_pure_drummer;15307481]Recently cracked my B8 crash. Ive had it for 3 years and i batter it poopless. But i have good technique i think it's just wear of a poor cymbal that cracked it. It's about half a cm long the crack.

Looking for:

Thin crash
Medium Decay
Open's up pretty easily and well
About 16" or 17".

Ideas?

I want it to explode![/QUOTE]

Even though they're hard to find, my Amedia crash is paper thin, has a decent decay, and opens up pretty well....its is fairly dark, though. And its an 18".

[quote=Drum Phil;15307563][B]17" AAXplosion.[/B]
16" K Custom Fast Crash?[/quote]

this.

The aaxplosion line is fcking beautiful

too fast for me

id say an 18 AAXplosion. the 17 is too weak.

I'd say the 18 will be a longer decay and maybe not open up so fast. BUt i dont own that particular cymbal so i dont [I]reeeally [/I]know. Also look at the A custom projection line, they are a tad explosive and not to mention lush.,

18" K Custom Fast Crash

19" AAXplosion is a peice of beauty and needs no battering to open up.

honestly, i hear "battering" and then "good technique"....i wonder...

you dont need to hammer your gear to get a full loud tone out of them.

Exactly :-/

I dont hammer on any of my cymbals.

Yeah man. Theres a big dfference between a powerful stroke and a smash lol

There's also a difference between a powerful stroke and Big Powerful Strokes.

Theres also a difference between cows and people.

What? talk about cymbals? oh hell

im looking for a crash

ive tried crashes at a local music store
but...
paiste full crash was a bit too bright for my taste
sabian paragon sounded really good but they were too heavy

any suggestions?

HHX Stage crash - give it a try

Or the HHX studio crashes

hhx stage and studio crashes sound nothing like paragon crashes.

try out 2002's or for a lighter, not so bright cymbal, try out avedis crashes. maybe even the new armand series. haven't heard any armands myself, but they may be what you're looking for.

they're a bit thinner, depends on his playing style in the end.

the stages are going to be a nice fine line of bright because of the weight, and warm because of the series characteristics

hhx stages are not what i would consider bright in the least bit. i own the 16" and 18", as well as an 18" paragon.

i've heard a few that had some cut to them.

they're a great balanced sound imo.

definatly gonna have to get me some.

definitely a great cymbal. i love mine. they're the best crashes i've heard.

i'm thinking of revamping my crash setup.

as of right now, i'm using 16" AA Medium, and AAX Stage crashes, with an 18" XS20 rock or AA medium being switched in and out.

i actually like my XS 20 more as its not so flat sounding compared to the AA :S

i went today and tried the hhx studio crash, they didnt have stage
i really liked the sound, but i dont think it would cut