[QUOTE=shadow_stalker]...martin can stand on Dio :p


yeah Dio was a great singer but i jsut prefer Martin, dont really know why[/QUOTE]

Oh ok, do you have cross purposes at all? I was considering buying that.

[QUOTE=Brew]^Listen to him, he's wise.[/QUOTE]
Dio did some good things outside of Sabbath. I just didn't like the direction the band was going in after Ozzy left.

They were going that less heavy direction ever since Technical Ecstacy.

[QUOTE=Rattlehead]and Megadeth:p [/QUOTE] and 283247234 other bands.

That is so true, media player is full of them.

[QUOTE=rippa32]Oh ok, do you have cross purposes at all? I was considering buying that.[/QUOTE]
nope dont ahve it, i havnt even bought a sabbath album in ages

damn you Power metal, you are taking all my money!!!

Have any of you seen that show 'Rock School'? They played a lot of Black Sabbath but it wasn't that great.

Im going on a bit of a rock/metal based movie run at the moment so I am going to check it out anyway. There was a bit of Sabbath on Almost Famous as well.

It's a bunch of 9 to 17 year olds playing Sabbath songs, so it's not just background music. Almost Famous was good.

That was a good movie.

Im not saying it was a bad movie, it was great. The acting of the journo kid wasnt all that convincing though. Oh ok, isnt that guy on Rock School some Zappa nut or something?

Yeah he is. He screams way too much.

[QUOTE=Thor]Dio did some good things outside of Sabbath. I just didn't like the direction the band was going in after Ozzy left.[/QUOTE]
yeah sure, i like his solo work. don't like his sabbath work as far as sabbath is concerned, if you know what i mean. i don't consider dio's sabbath as sabbath, as the whole style changed. e.g. H&H; they never did slow maiden-esque bass triplets before dio came along.

[QUOTE=Rattlehead]yeah sure, i like his solo work. don't like his sabbath work as far as sabbath is concerned, if you know what i mean. i don't consider dio's sabbath as sabbath, as the whole style changed. e.g.[B] H&H; they never did slow maiden-esque bass triplets before dio came along[/B].[/QUOTE]

Listen to the bass in Sabbra Cadabra, its very maiden-esque in its tripletly-ness.

[QUOTE=Brew]Listen to the bass in Sabbra Cadabra, its very maiden-esque in its tripletly-ness.[/QUOTE]
Technically its not, since made a fair number of years before maiden were aroud

[QUOTE=blue3]Have any of you seen that show 'Rock School'? They played a lot of Black Sabbath but it wasn't that great.[/QUOTE]
i saw the episode with Tony Iommi on, was worth watching just to see him own gene simmons on the guitar

She meant the movie actually not the Gene Simmons TV series, lol. I would love to see that episode and after getting series one in australia I am hoping for series two to come just for that episode.

I havnt seen that movie, is it worth buying?

Not at all. I had no idea there's a series 2 for Gene Simmons show.

[QUOTE=blue3]Not at all. I had no idea there's a series 2 for Gene Simmons show.[/QUOTE]

God I hate Gene Simmons.

Oh, and for the record: Dio>almost anyone else in metal.

[QUOTE=Brew]Listen to the bass in Sabbra Cadabra, its very maiden-esque in its tripletly-ness.[/QUOTE]
not in the same way as in H&H, H&H is quite cheesy. yeah, i listen to SC all the time, great song

NP: Sweet Leaf

Whats wrong with the new musical direction post ozzy? Id prefer a band willing to change rather than go stale.

I agree, but I think more people grew up listening to Sabbath with Ozzy, and so thats what they know as Sabbath. When you suddenly start listening to the same band, with a different singer, it can really throw people. Especially if this changes the general sound of the band. Thats what happened with me, I only knew Ozzy-era, and when I listened to post-Ozzy, I didn't really like it. Took a little while to get used to a new sound, and try to take the Ozzy sound out of my head.

sorry but sabbath is nothing without ozzy not that i dont like DIO but still sabbath is only ozzy!

your wrong, no two ways about it sabbath is not only ozzy, and if you read through some of the thread Brew has listed hundreds of reasons why


some links people might find interesting

[url]http://www.rockdetector.com/interviews/artist,1108.sm?id=94[/url]
[url]http://www.myspace.com/rockdetector[/url]

there is a link from a demo tape sabbath did with a guy called dave donato, who joined sabbath for 6 months just after Gillan left (i think)

think im ognna get that book, should be good for a read through

coughOPINIONcough.

anyway, the whole sound was changed without ozzy, and thats why he and i think sabbath is ozzy, and is only good with him. i think. sure enough, ozzy's sabbath didnt just include ozzy, iommi was great, but nevertheless it all changed without him.

But he is saying sabbath was nothing without ozzy as a fact rather than what he thought

[QUOTE=shadow_stalker]a guy called dave donato, who joined sabbath for 6 months just after Gillan left (i think)[/QUOTE]


You're right. He was hired after sending in an impressive audio tape to fulfill tour commitments....but he wasn't comfortable in the studio and left. That was from April '84 till late'84 before Ozzy came back to sing with them for Live Aid in July '85 and Glenn Hughes joined in June '85

I think Sabbath with Ozzy is better than post-Ozzy, but the rest is still good quality Sabbath music and I still enjoy listening to it as much as with Ozzy.

So The Masked Guitarist, I'm assuming you won't have any of Ozzy's solo albums? Because if you listen closely, it doesn't sound anything like Sabbath... Just something to think about........

^ oh god thank you. Its an argument I always forget to pull out, because Ozzy only ever sounds like whatever his guitarist likes. Unlike Dio who put his spin on every band hes been with. Ozzy is a ****house writer plain and simple.

oh btw 666Ozzfan are you the one that came on earlier asking what post-ozzy albums to get? Cos if you are what ones did you end up buying?

[QUOTE=shadow_stalker]But he is saying sabbath was nothing without ozzy as a fact rather than what he thought[/QUOTE]
im saying sabbbath isn't sabbath without ozzy i'm a huge fan of geezer, ward and greatly iommI!
i guess my wording was bad sorry

[QUOTE=rippa32]oh btw 666Ozzfan are you the one that came on earlier asking what post-ozzy albums to get? Cos if you are what ones did you end up buying?[/QUOTE]


I've not bought any yet, haven't had the time.

Ah ok. I was thinking of getting Live Evil after hearing a Sabbath cover Dio did when he was in elf, great stuff.

[QUOTE=rippa32]Whats wrong with the new musical direction post ozzy? Id prefer a band willing to change rather than go stale.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=rippa32]because Ozzy only ever sounds like whatever his guitarist likes. Unlike Dio who put his spin on every band hes been with.[/QUOTE]

'tis not very fair to praise sabbath for changing their sound when they got a new singer, and then criticise ozzy for changing sound when he got a different guitarist

I don't view sabbath the same without ozzy, obviously most don't, ozzy is just a great frontman, and his era was obviously the best, not to trash sabbath's latert stuff, i love dio and heaven and hell is a great album, i can't really comment on any of the other later stuff though.

[QUOTE=shadow_stalker]'tis not very fair to praise sabbath for changing their sound when they got a new singer, and then criticise ozzy for changing sound when he got a different guitarist[/QUOTE]

That's not the point I was trying to get across, I simply meant Ozzy never adds anything to the music, hes just the frontman because a band needs one even in his solo career. I never criticised the change in music direction.

Well, to be honest, Ozzy's solo career was fairly mediocore, at least compared to his work in Black Sabbath.

Regarding Ozzy's solo work, I really like it. It's different to most anything else that I've heard. He wasn't so egotistical to try to make his new band sound like Sabbath.

Fair enough really for Sabbath changing the sound of the music when they got rid of Ozzy. I don't think people would have appreciated a new singer nearly as easily if it had been the original sound with a new singer. I know my attitude would be "it's just someone trying to sound like Ozzy", and I wouldn't be as inclined to buy the albums. Really, it was Sabbath being new, different, and showing another side to each member.

It wasn't that the band was rejecting their sound they had with Ozzy, as it showed whenever Ozzy came back for reunion shows. They still played Ozzy-era songs with the Ozzy-era sound.

Hope this kinda makes sense....

Ive seen Ozzy say quite a few times he didnt really like the music Sabbath made. But now hes back with them he just bags the post-ozzy stuff. If he didn't like it, why did he come back? Sometimes hes almost as bad as Sharon.

I love Ozzy's solo stuff, it was a nice change of direction from black sabbath rather than just makeing a black sabbath clone


No one will ever be as bad as Sharon, i will never forgive her for what she did to Iron Maiden :angry:

what did she do?

Long story, just search Iron Maiden OZZFest in google and you should get a fair few articles. Kelly and some other unsigned bands were involved as well.