I mean.
Who just signs off?!
Not even a bye.
Just a...
Is no longer online.

WTF.
Where did you go.

he is just lurking...

did you download overpowered by funk?

[QUOTE=Electric Requiem;13689092]So if Im understanding you right, Tibetan monks will become terrorists like the Chechnyan rebels?[/QUOTE]

yes

damn those guys know their martial arts

[QUOTE=White Riot!;13689053]if one more indian call center worker rings me at work im going go insane[/QUOTE]

hehe welcome to globalization; technology makes it so that it isn't just a one way road anymore for america =)

no its welcome to stupidity...... technology makes common sense further away and Greed closer.

The reason these indians are getting hired is to save some cash....not because they do a better job at it

I did.
Haven't listened to it all yet though, at my grandmas for the holidays.

And I wasn't talking about him.
I was talking about her.
Sureley that's against the law just to sign off like that.
Ergh!

What the f[B]u[/B]ck are quid?

slang for pounds......like saying bucks for dollars...

Oh.

That's what I thought.

[url]http://youtube.com/watch?v=5QTuTDjzVws[/url]

Hmmm?

[quote=White Riot!;13689153]no its welcome to stupidity...... technology makes common sense further away and Greed closer.

The reason these indians are getting hired is to save some cash....not because they do a better job at it[/quote]


haha yup. All about the dollar.

Oh Jesus H. Christ. =/



The only ****ing reason I watch TV is because of the women.


And I've wasted over 100 gigs of space on my hard drive because of those women. Now, I'm going to lose another 50 gigs because I have to download Star Trek TNG because I just realized how ****ing HOT Michelle Forbes voice is.


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I'll save At Home With The Braithwaites for later.

I think you need to a trip to the gay bar...

HAha her 21st I'm sure she will.... though 18 gets you into full nude strip clubs.

[QUOTE=White Riot!;13689153]The reason these indians are getting hired is to save some cash....not because they do a better job at it[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=White Riot!;13689153]haha yup. All about the dollar.[/quote]

and what happens when the vietnamese can do it for cheaper and is then outsourced from india to vietnam?

the indians will be forced to become better at what they do and also specialize, just like the americans have been doing

it isn't about the lowest prices, it's about the quality of the services provided

i suggest you and josiah check out thomas l. friendman's [I]the world is flat: a brief history of the 21st century[/I]

because it seems you're both in for a rude surprise :-(

[QUOTE=Atman;13689361]

it isn't about the lowest prices, it's about the quality of the services provided

[/QUOTE]

no , it is obviously not. When I talk to someone I want someone who knows my native land and has knowledge about my native land. Some dude in bombay or ho chi minh is very unconvincing to be trying to sell me a cheaper phone deal since he isnt on ground level to see the local competition. Don't even start about him even being able to comprehend my actual concerns , wants and needs as a customer

even the technology in place doesnt even match what I expect. Do a poll. Most people hate the indian call centers. The only people who like em are the corporations and the corporate types.

Life is not an economic circle of You make , You buy , You Die. Im a human for christsakes

people before economics

[quote=Atman;13689361]
it isn't about the lowest prices, it's about the quality of the services provided
[/quote]


Hmmm....

So the indians provide a higher quality customer service then the americans did?


That musta been it... had nothing to do with the fact the indians work for $2/day and the americans worked for $160/day. Right.

"[B]Historically, outsourcing has been seen as a way to reduce costs [/B]by getting others in cheaper locations, or with greater economies of scale, to own the processes that are not core to the business. Companies are encountering problems because they don't approach this strategically." - Alexa Bona, Research Director at Gartner, Inc. (UK Int Conference on Cust. Service, 2005)


Gartner serves more than 10,000 clients, including chief information officers and other senior IT executives in corporations and government agencies, as well as technology companies and the investment community. The Company focuses on delivering objective, in-depth analysis and actionable advice to enable clients to make more informed business and technology decisions.

Creative Labs has American support lines.


I was surprised.







And I'm f[B]u[/B]cking wired. It's almost 3am and I can't fathom going to sleep.

[QUOTE=White Riot!;13689382]no , it is obviously not. When I talk to someone I want someone who knows my native land and has knowledge about my native land. Some dude in bombay or ho chi minh is very unconvincing to be trying to sell me a cheaper phone deal since he isnt on ground level to see the local competition. Don't even start about him even being able to comprehend my actual concerns , wants and needs as a customer

even the technology in place doesnt even match what I expect. Do a poll. Most people hate the indian call centers. The only people who like em are the corporations and the corporate types.

people before economics[/QUOTE]

oh but most people love cheaper prices a lot more than they hate call centers; and believe it or not, call centers are improving rapidly (and even desperately) to maintain a competitive edge in a global market

call centers aren't just the only sort of outsourcing either i'm afraid

most x-ray scans in america are done in india
animation for disney cartoons are done in india
reuters and associated press news feeds are sorted outside of america
IRS taxes are handled mostly by outsourced accountants
the work done for automotive and aerospace design for a single american or european company is often distributed to russian, indian, chinese, and japanese engineering/design firms

and when vietnam or some other country steps up to the plate with even lower prices, the grunt work will move there and the indians will be forced to specialize even more

in a modern global market, there is no such thing job security for anything that can ; the only way to prevent that from happening is to specialize and remain competitive

and if you want to talk about people before economics, i'd love to hear your justification for the exploitation (and the lack of transparency) of cheap foreign labour by american and european before information technology began to equalize global commerce?

americans can't have it just one way anymore :-(

[QUOTE=White Riot!;13689382]Life is not an economic circle of You make , You buy , You Die. Im a human for christsakes[/quote]

who says anything about that?

[QUOTE=Josiah;13689386]Hmmm....

So the indians provide a higher quality customer service then the americans did?[/QUOTE]

no they don't but they offer a service for a far lower price at an acceptable quality sacrifice

and it isn't as if that sacrifice is a permanent and immutable cutback; any call center that becomes lax in improvements can be easily replaced

:-)

[QUOTE=Josiah;13689421]"[B]Historically, outsourcing has been seen as a way to reduce costs [/B]by getting others in cheaper locations, or with greater economies of scale, to own the processes that are not core to the business. Companies are encountering problems because they don't approach this strategically." - Alexa Bona, Research Director at Gartner, Inc. (UK Int Conference on Cust. Service, 2005)[/QUOTE]

that's a vast simplification on a very complex subject

why is it that call centers aren't built in kenya or burma?

I can't sleep either Pespi.
Damn girls.

Hahaha

Woa woa just a second here Atman -


[quote=Atman;13689361]
it isn't about the lowest prices, it's about the quality of the services provided
[/quote]



[quote=Atman;13689454]
no they don't but they offer a service for a far lower price at an acceptable quality sacrifice
[/quote]



Those statements seem drastically contradictive.

Once my mother was sleeping in the recliner. For some stupid reason I decided to lay down with my head under the foot rest part. The phone rang, and my mother woke up and automatically slammed it down.
And she was like, "Gee, why won't this shut?" and she did it three more times in rapid succession before she realized that her four year old child was lodged beneath it.


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Edit: Wouldn't it be contradictory?

[QUOTE=Josiah;13689475]Woa woa just a second here Atman -

Those statements seem drastically contradictive.[/QUOTE]

poorly defined perhaps (i assume too much about the people i discuss things with), not drastically contradictive

outsourcing is a calculated investment that isn't just based on how much money is saved but also the quality of those services provided and the stability of the country and region in question

it isn't a bunch of rich white guys in an exec board meeting going ok we can pay those indians a helluva lot less compared to an american for the same job hehe

why do they pick india and not a close neighbour like bangladesh?

The end result is an attempt to cut costs, wich would be saving money.


As stated, it's about the dollar at the end of the day, and making as much as possible.

of course

but why india and not bangladesh?

Laughing for shits coca?

I guess so, since you're a turd.

I guess that makes sence...

[quote=Atman;13689510]of course

but why india and not bangladesh?[/quote]


Where ever they choose to outsource is, as you say, coming from careful calculations. There are as well, I'm sure, kick backs all over the place.


Enron wasn't a unique case. They were just the ones who got caught. It wasn't about quality business, it was about making as much money possible.

In the end, countless people lost. That was the result of knocking down quality, for money. They got caught, and it fell apart.

Had they run a quality business, they would have not made as much. It was a risk they took, and lost.


The bigger they are, the blacker stuff gets. The corperation I work for is the biggest financial company in the world, they were bankrolling Enron. They had to pay some hefty fines, and there are still pending lawsuits against them.
I'm under no doubt that they are doing the same stuff with other companies as well. The world of big business is pretty ruthless.
When it comes to saving money, they don't care about people, quality or such. Only about potential risks and weighing those risks against dollar savings.


CountryWide recently laid off 4% of it's work force, roughly 120,000 people.
That was dollars over people.

[QUOTE=Josiah;13689537]In the end, countless people lost. That was the result of knocking down quality, for money. They got caught, and it fell apart.[/quote]

no

that's the result of knocking down ethics, not quality, for money

no business should ever do that

[QUOTE=Josiah;13689537]Where ever they choose to outsource is, as you say, coming from careful calculations. There are as well, I'm sure, kick backs all over the place.


Enron wasn't a unique case. They were just the ones who got caught.


The bigger they are, the blacker stuff gets. The corperation I work for is the biggest financial company in the world, they were bankrolling Enron. They had to pay some hefty fines, and there are still pending lawsuits against them.
I'm under no doubt that they are doing the same stuff with other companies as well. The world of big business is pretty ruthless.
When it comes to saving money, they don't care about people, quality or such. Only about potential risks and weighing those risks against dollar savings.[/quote]

that's true but what exactly does this have to do with outsourcing and globalization

[QUOTE=Josiah;13689537]CountryWide recently laid off 4% of it's work force, roughly 120,000 people.
That was dollars over people.[/QUOTE]

so is choosing or industry over artisanship or robotic automation over people yet how many of those complaints do we hear these days?

is it different now because it's people in different countries being hired and if so, why?

i like the quote by bill gates

we don't vote on whether or not technology changes our lives :-)

well, my birthday was celebrated today, and I got lots of cool things.

Zelda Twilight Princess
V For Vendetta
Please Please Me (Beatles)
Thick as a Brick (Jethro Tull)
Endless Wire (The Who)

Happy Birthday.
And V for Vendetta happens to be an awesome movie.

Zelda! That game is pretty much awsome. :)

aRGh!
What is this Guys Gone Wild?!
Like i just finished watching that stupid informercial for naked guys and was like hmm.. What ever happened to Girls Gone Wild?
So I typed it in google.
But I was so hyped up on Guys Gone Wild that I googled that instead :(.

God Damnit.

[quote=Cocaberry]Stupid f[B]a[/B]g.[/quote]

woah what happened to your post kikibebe

Who the hell buys Girls or Guys Gone Wild?


You can torrent better p[B]o[/B]rn for free.

Well we may differ here, but I see ethics as falling under "quality".
A 'quality' business to me, operates under ethics and under the law.
(We won't comment on my employer)

Unfortunately bill gates is a lil off on that one though...

There was recently a vote to decide if Voting should be done digitally or not. (there are also [I]many[/I] other technology related votes, at least here in CA)
Though I understand your point.


There are many who believe that laying people off in lew of using machines, automation, etc is wrong. Honestly, it's not something I've really thought about much.


Point is simply, outsourcing is something done by companies, as a calculated risk, in order to reduce costs.

That was in response to you saying " it isn't about the lowest prices, it's about the quality of the services provided"

As you said, they make a risk calculation of acceptable sacrifice of quality for the trade off of increasing profits.


At the end of the day, it's about the dollar. And how to make as much as possible.

:thumb: Nice one!
I might be buying a 8 pc drum kit. It's a Tama, Swingstar I do believe. It's got five cymbals as well, and the guys asking three grand. It's got ebony skins, but the drums themselves a fairly old. Bargain or no bargain?

[QUOTE=Janeway;13689574]Who the hell buys Girls or Guys Gone Wild?


You can torrent better p[B]o[/B]rn for free.[/QUOTE]

People who enjoy softcore porn?
It's not even porn.
It's.
Naked People.........
Just if you like Naked People.

Haha Coca.
Calling me a stupid fag?