Apparently i cant get a sound clip.

[QUOTE=Ollie The Drumming Legend;15134503]Heya. I'm looking for an all-around china, medium sustain and fairly trashy but not excessively so, but nonetheless I want it to definitely sound like a china if you get what I mean.

Current other cymbals:

13 a custom mastersound hats
16 hh med thin crash
17 a custom projection crash
20 k custom dry ride

I was considering maybe a Zildjian A china (high or low), or oriental classic china, in something like 16 - 19" size. Any ideas?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Enemy2Public2]18" China boy Low. It's a wonderful china and it's awesome for riding.[/QUOTE]

Any thoughts on the 19" Wuhan china. I've found one for £45 that I can pick up locally, so I can also go try it out :) But any thoughts/comments about it and its suitability?

[QUOTE=Ollie The Drumming Legend;15183898]Any thoughts on the 19" Wuhan china. I've found one for £45 that I can pick up locally, so I can also go try it out :) But any thoughts/comments about it and its suitability?[/QUOTE]

Wuhan = China-ness.

You may already be aware, but the 19" Paragon China was modelled on Peart's Wuhan. If you like the sound of that, chances are you'll like Wuhan. And you get to try it out anyway.

Reccomend me a bell. 6-10", darkish and musical.

[QUOTE=spirit;15183903]Wuhan = China-ness.

You may already be aware, but the 19" Paragon China was modelled on Peart's Wuhan. If you like the sound of that, chances are you'll like Wuhan. And you get to try it out anyway.[/QUOTE]

*heads to Sabian website*

Ta!

[QUOTE=Ollie The Drumming Legend;15184280]*heads to Sabian website*

Ta![/QUOTE]

Not a problem.

[QUOTE=Drum Phil;15183980]Reccomend me a bell. 6-10", darkish and musical.[/QUOTE]

Doesn't the Stagg Dark Metal Bell or whatever it's called sound like that? If it doesn't, the name is misleading.

Recommended / Best sounding Ride Cymbal for Funk?

Recommended / Best sounding Hihats for Funk?

-AND-

Recommended / Best sounding Ride cymbal for blues?

Recommoned / Best sounding Hihats for blues?

Just need opinions here. Thanks :chug:

^ thats too vague of a statement. you have to let us now what sound you're wanting such as bright, dark, loud, quiet, fast, delayed etc etc etc...

thx for the link ollie rep+

[QUOTE=fastlane;15186536]^ thats too vague of a statement. you have to let us now what sound you're wanting such as bright, dark, loud, quiet, fast, delayed etc etc etc...

thx for the link ollie rep+[/QUOTE]

Ok sorry. I play blues with my band, and I was looking at the K/Z Dyno beat Zildjian 14" hihats. What do these sound like for blues? I bought the Dyno Beats cheap from a kid, but I want to get one 14" Zildjian K hihat.

Will this combo work for blues, and some funk? :chug:

[QUOTE=Cobra;15184963]Recommended / Best sounding Ride Cymbal for Funk?

Recommended / Best sounding Hihats for Funk?

-AND-

Recommended / Best sounding Ride cymbal for blues?

Recommoned / Best sounding Hihats for blues?

Just need opinions here. Thanks :chug:[/QUOTE]

Bosphorus Stanton Moore Wide Ride
Istanbul Agop 14'' Sultan hihats.

Try the HHX Groove Ride for funk maybe?

[url]http://www.sabian.com/english/webmayhem/soundcheck.cfm[/url]

[QUOTE=Cobra;15187747]Ok sorry. I play blues with my band, and I was looking at the K/Z Dyno beat Zildjian 14" hihats. What do these sound like for blues? I bought the Dyno Beats cheap from a kid, but I want to get one 14" Zildjian K hihat.

Will this combo work for blues, and some funk? :chug:[/QUOTE]

I see no reason why they wouldn't. In fact, they could work quite well. All down to personal preference I suppose. Isn't it always? Personally, at least for the moment, I seem to be favouring darker sounding cymbals, so I'd be thinking K's, K Customs, HH, HHX, Bosphorus, Istanbul, or Dream Bliss.

I didn't mention Paiste because, excellent though they are, they're more expensive. If that weren't a problem, I'd consider Dark Energy, Traditional or even the new Twenty range. And I didn't mention Meinl because I didn't think of them until I thought of Paiste.

Obviously, that's just me. It also depends on the gig I suppose. More electrified Blues-Rock (a la Gary Moore) may call for a more cutting sound.

Basically, I've probably been no damn good use at all. :lol:

Maybe I've given you some ideas.

Oh, and chances are you couldn't go far wrong with some New Beats. You could even try and score some Hollow Logo ones from eBay.

The K/z hats should work well for blues. I would also look into some of the following for rides:

Zildjian - K, A, lines, perhaps the A medium ride, K normal ride, but it really depends on the sound you want. Try a K custom normal ride, they are surprisingly versatile (a lot of rock drummers use them even), maybe?

From sabian you could look into the HHX rides, or even HH rides. Or AAs. I wouldn't so much advise the AAX or A customs just as they are cleaner sounding but they would also be fine. They also have this nifty little feature which gives you a sample of what some guy at Sabian thinks would be good for various genres including blues and funk, which might be worth a look. [url]http://www.sabian.com/english/cymbals/Genre_Setups.cfm[/url]

Don't know so much about Paiste and Meinl, signatures might be good but they are really really expensive.

Try looking second hand as things are much cheaper that way, and if you ever need/want to sell you should be able to get about the same amount you paid for them provided the condition is good.

Above all, I would advise trying out things before you buy more than anything else, as not only is cymbal sound quality subjective but also different cymbals [I]feel[/I] different to play, and can be played in different ways.

[quote=spirit;15184298]Doesn't the Stagg Dark Metal Bell or whatever it's called sound like that? If it doesn't, the name is misleading.[/quote]

Yes it is.

But i have one of those. I want more bells.

Im looking for a china. A BIG one.

I want the china to have a "melting" warm sound to it with not much in-your-face trashyness.

Sorry if my description sucks haha.

^ Sabian HH 20 Thin Chinese

Does anyone here own 13" Meinl Classic Medium Hats?

I'm thinking of getting some off ebay as aux hats but any soundclips or a description would be great.

Before anyone says, meinlcymbals.de is down for some reason.

[quote=crazyguy832;15211678]Before anyone says, meinlcymbals.de is down for some reason.[/quote]

I noticed that yesterday :-/ It was dead annoying.

I've not tried the hats, but I used to have (still have somewhere actually) a meinl classics ping ride... If they are at all similar they will be fairly to very bright, high-pitched, if a little quiet compared to pro cymbals, pretty good, esp. as an additional "toy" as it were and are pretty good value for what you get.

Thanks Damo. Im gonna try one out then.

Try the 19" K too.

I want to start investigating what hi hats I'd like to upgrade to sometime in the future.

My current cymbal set up is as follows:
8" Sabian B8 splash (stacked)
12" HHX splash
12" Wuhan china
14" ZXT Rock hi hats
16" Paiste Innovations china
18" Paiste Sig Fast crash
18" K Medium - Thin Dark crash
21" HHX Groove Ride

Obviously looking to replace the hats. I like dark cymbals, and I'm looking versatile hats, not too tight and crisp but also not too washy either. I'd like a good set of hats that'd blend well with the rest of my set up but I don't know where to start looking.

Mike - Try looking at some Zildjian K hats, probably 14" ones; there are lots of variations but I would start with the regular ones, they are lovely cymbals. Another possibility is HH and HHX by Sabian. The hhx would probably be slightly more projecting, but i've not tried them and am going mostly by their marketing hype on those. HH are nice hats (i've tried the 13") but not really my thing so much - try the 14" probably that will be not so "fast" sounding which is what I assume you mean, and a bit washier with a fuller sound.

A good place to start would be the sabain and zildjian websites which have sound clips of their cymbals, but bear in mind that they don't sound identical to the real cymbals, and are also recorded in different ways so it is hard to compare accurately the soundclips from sabian and zildjian.

Nobody stocks paiste or meinl or anything else near me so I can't help with those at all.

[url]http://www.sabian.com/english/webmayhem/soundcheck.cfm[/url]

[url]http://www.zildjian.com/en-US/products/configurator/default.ad2[/url]

paiste and meinl have soundclips too but not all on one page like there, but google them

Hope this helps

:)

Bosphorus Traditional Series may be you kind of thing, ditto Istanbul Agop Trad series.

[url]www.cymbalsonly.com[/url] - soundfiles of both companies, various lines and models

Ks. Maybe the 14" Light Hats?

13" Meinl Byzance fast hats?

From the sound clips I've listened to so far, I really like the HH Dark Hi-Hats. Any other suggestions in that realm of sound?

13" Meinl Byzance Dark Hats ala:

[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/rancid_punk/IMG_6068-01.jpg[/IMG]

I reckon they're pretty much exactly what you're after.

[QUOTE=Mike Goes Numb;15242526]From the sound clips I've listened to so far, I really like the HH Dark Hi-Hats. Any other suggestions in that realm of sound?[/QUOTE]

K custom dark hats plus what phil said.

[QUOTE=spirit;15223271]Bosphorus Traditional Series may be you kind of thing, ditto Istanbul Agop Trad series.

[url]www.cymbalsonly.com[/url] - soundfiles of both companies, various lines and models[/QUOTE]

This guy's got the right idea. He's sexy as well.

Holy jesus phil, those are gorgeous.

Edit: The 13" k custom dark hats sound pretty good. 14" byzance dark hats sound like sex, hopefully I can try them out sometime in my shop.

They're visually and aurully pleasing in every possible way.

[QUOTE=Drum Phil;15245309]They're visually and aurully pleasing in every possible way.[/QUOTE]

Orally? Oh wait, i guess that would be when you are saying it, not hearing it.

Firefox says that it is aurally.

I'm looking for a cymbal pack for practice at home. I play heavy metal. I was having a look at the Sabian AA Metal X Box set (20 Ride, 16 crash, 14 Hats), and the Zildjian ZHT Rock cymbal pack. I could get the Zildjian pack £40 cheaper than the Sabian. Does anyone have any experience with these and could offer their opinions?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=ronald_villiers;15252141]I'm looking for a cymbal pack for practice at home. I play heavy metal. I was having a look at the Sabian AA Metal X Box set (20 Ride, 16 crash, 14 Hats), and the Zildjian ZHT Rock cymbal pack. I could get the Zildjian pack £40 cheaper than the Sabian. Does anyone have any experience with these and could offer their opinions?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]

It depends on how each set sounds to you, but each has its pros and cons.

The Sabian set is a pro set, being AA, however, being Metal X, it may not be versatile. You may play heavy metal now, but it's always nice to have the option.

The Zildjian set is B12 alloy, which isn't a bad thing per se, but the general consensus is that B20 alloy gives the richest sound. Being of 'Rock' stock, they may, or may not be thinner than the Metal-X's, and so may be more versatile.

Personally, I'd really recommend getting pro level cymbals, one piece at a time, but that's just me.

Oh, so Phil, I assume the dark hats sound just as sexy open, yes? I'm hoping so.

What do you guys think of the 20" Zildjian Oriental China?

Classic or Trash? The Classic has an amazingly warm and trashy sound. It's a huge sounds that swells up and is almost a soft kind of china. I absolutely love mine and recommend checking them out.

Sorry, its the Thrash China.