You're saying you think Undertow had a light vibe? I personally think that's their darkest album.

Lateralus is a very colorful album, I have no idea what you're going on about.

Each song has it's own color, it's own personality.

[QUOTE=Shadius]You're saying you think Undertow had a light vibe? I personally think that's their darkest album.[/QUOTE]
Not necessarily light, but lighter in different areas.

Also Dispostion and Ticks and Leeches are different, but how many songs like Ticks and Leeches on Lateralus are there?

[QUOTE=letmypeopleho]Not necessarily light, but lighter in different areas.

Also Dispostion and Ticks and Leeches are different, but how many songs like Ticks and Leeches on Lateralus are there?[/QUOTE]

Zero.

Like I said above, each song has it's own personality.

[QUOTE=The JoZ]Lateralus is a very colorful album, I have no idea what you're going on about.

Each song has it's own color, it's own personality.[/QUOTE]
I don't know, I'm probably alone on this. Anyway I don't see alot of "light" on Lateralus or Aenima. I mean the style of writing is just completely different on Undertow. Just saying there was alot more major scale on Undertow and Opiate than on Aenima and Lateralus.

[QUOTE=The JoZ]Zero.

Like I said above, each song has it's own personality.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I was asking Darknees of Greed.

Ok but no song is similar to The grudge, or Parabola or Lateralus itself either.

[QUOTE=letmypeopleho]I don't know, I'm probably alone on this. Anyway I don't see alot of "light" on Lateralus or Aenima. I mean the style of writing is just completely different on Undertow. Just saying there was alot more major scale on Undertow and Opiate than on Aenima and Lateralus.[/QUOTE]

I don't see how using a major scale can be the sole critera for 'light' in a song.

I think "The Patient" is full of light. I think it has a positive energy to it. Same with "Parabola", it's just...ALIIIVE, as Maynard says.

Songs like Schism and The Grudge might be kind of dark, but the other songs are light to me.

To me, they give off the same vibe. But, like I said before, I'm probably alone on this.

I just hope they use the major scale a bit more on the next album.

I don't care what scales they use to write stuff, as long as its amazingly good as everyone thinks its going to be.

Undertow is less colorful than DRT on there own.

/late

[QUOTE=The JoZ]I don't see how using a major scale can be the sole critera for 'light' in a song.

I think "The Patient" is full of light. I think it has a positive energy to it. Same with "Parabola", it's just...ALIIIVE, as Maynard says.

Songs like Schism and The Grudge might be kind of dark, but the other songs are light to me.[/QUOTE]
I was about to say The Patient and Parabola were the obvious ones. I still don't get as much light from them as say, Opiate. Also I never said the major scale was the sole criteria for light. They used the harmonic minor on 4 Degrees and that song is very light.

I'll say it again for emphasis. I'm probably alone on this.

I mean, really, I think Opiate, the album, is pretty dark actually. Hush is kind of light, and so is Opiate the song, a little...but overall, very dark feel to the album...

Man it almost sounds like you have light and dark messed up.

Well, it's probably just me then.

Awhile back when I did my thing on what I thought Parabola was about made me to this day think it was a Lighter song.

/random

Opiate, from what I've heard before this, is a much darker and angrier album, is it not?

[QUOTE=Sliptallica]Awhile back when I did my thing on what I thought Parabola was about made me to this day think it was a Lighter song.

/random

Opiate, from what I've heard before this, is a much darker and angrier album, is it not?[/QUOTE]
It's angrier, but has lighter, happier feeling parts.

It's seems I'm confused though. I didn't get much sleep on top of it and the thought just came to me when I said it. Really tired.

I find both Lateralus and Aenima to be darker than both Opiate and Undertow. Songs like Patient may have some light, but there's an undertone of darkness that runs through the veins of every song on Lateralus, which is different han Undertow. I think that every song on Undertow have a different vibe completely, whereas on Lateralus/Aenma, there's a consistent feeling from song to song that's sort of the foundation of every song its respective album. Every song still gives off a unique feel, but there's a certain sameness to each song as well. That's one of the things that makes Lateralus a great album, though.

[QUOTE=Kage]I find both Lateralus and Aenima to be darker than both Opiate and Undertow. Songs like Patient may have some light, but there's an undertone of darkness that runs through the veins of every song on Lateralus, which is different han Undertow. I think that every song on Undertow have a different vibe completely, whereas on Lateralus/Aenma, there's a consistent feeling from song to song that's sort of the foundation of every song its respective album. Every song still gives off a unique feel, but there's a certain sameness to each song as well. That's one of the things that makes Lateralus a great album, though.[/QUOTE]
Thank you. This gives me some hope that I'm not deilusional right now.

You touched on it better for me than I could at the moment. Mainly because I'm extremely fatigued, and I'm going to sleep soon.

Whoever would have thought one matinee of West Side Story on an hour of sleep would be so draining.

[QUOTE=Kage]I find both Lateralus and Aenima to be darker than both Opiate and Undertow. Songs like Patient may have some light, but there's an undertone of darkness that runs through the veins of every song on Lateralus, which is different han Undertow. I think that every song on Undertow have a different vibe completely, whereas on Lateralus/Aenma, there's a consistent feeling from song to song that's sort of the foundation of every song its respective album. Every song still gives off a unique feel, but there's a certain sameness to each song as well. That's one of the things that makes Lateralus a great album, though.[/QUOTE]
I always found opiate to be full of hate/anger.

@letmypeopleho
^^^Yeah, I can totally see what you're saying. A lot of people sometimes confuse darkness with anger/heaviness or something like that. I find Aenima to be their heaviest album, period, and Lateralus second because it's such a dynamic album...much moreso than their previous releases.

[QUOTE=Remedy]I always found opiate to be full of hate/anger.[/QUOTE]

How does that relate to it?

[QUOTE=Kage]I find both Lateralus and Aenima to be darker than both Opiate and Undertow. Songs like Patient may have some light, but there's an undertone of darkness that runs through the veins of every song on Lateralus, which is different han Undertow. I think that every song on Undertow have a different vibe completely, whereas on Lateralus/Aenma, there's a consistent feeling from song to song that's sort of the foundation of every song its respective album. Every song still gives off a unique feel, but there's a certain sameness to each song as well. That's one of the things that makes Lateralus a great album, though.[/QUOTE]


I really feel reverse of you, I think.

I can't remember who, but in that webcast thing one of them said he was surprised to hear someone call Lateralus a lighter album or something like that, and that most people thought it was darker. So, I guess it is all just how your feeling it.

[QUOTE=Kage]@letmypeopleho
^^^Yeah, I can totally see what you're saying. A lot of people sometimes confuse darkness with anger/heaviness or something like that. I find Aenima to be their heaviest album, period, and Lateralus second because it's such a dynamic album...much moreso than their previous releases.[/QUOTE]
I honestly thought I was going crazy before you said anything.

[QUOTE=Kage]How does that relate to it?[/QUOTE]
I could kind of see where he might think that it relates to anger.

Like in the outro of Jerk-off or the intro to Sweat, but they all come in surges of anger. Everything but those surges are somwhat light and satirycal IMO.

[QUOTE=Sliptallica]I can't remember who, but in that webcast thing one of them said he was surprised to hear someone call Lateralus a lighter album or something like that, and that most people thought it was darker. So, I guess it is all just how your feeling it.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I guess there's a lot personal perception at play.

But there's more to heaviness and darkness than the anger/hate displayed on Opiate and Undertow. There's dynamics, which Lateralus is a masterful showcase of, for one. Not to mention the interaction between guitar/bass and the drums, which are all much more fluid and interesting on Aenima and Lateralus by far.

Also, the construction of the songs on Lateralus is more coherent, which gives it a fuller punch as a whole album. Same with Aenima.

Now that I think about it, Lateralus is pretty dark. With the exception of Parabola because of the way I think of it, I can't think of a song that produces a light mood.

[QUOTE=Sliptallica]Now that I think about it, Lateralus is pretty dark. With the exception of Parabola because of the way I think of it, I can't think of a song that produces a light mood.[/QUOTE]
The major chord change in The Patient does it for me.

[QUOTE=Kage]Yeah, I guess there's a lot personal perception at play.

But there's more to heaviness and darkness than the anger/hate displayed on Opiate and Undertow. There's dynamics, which Lateralus is a masterful showcase of, for one. Not to mention the interaction between guitar/bass and the drums, which are all much more fluid and interesting on Aenima and Lateralus by far.

Also, the construction of the songs on Lateralus is more coherent, which gives it a fuller punch as a whole album. Same with Aenima.[/QUOTE]
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I think The Patient is a dark song, too. At the beginning, it's a very bleak guitar line and the vocal line is pretty haunting. It all builds up to a massive dynamic change, which makes the song pretty heavy. It sort of has a sinister feel to it.

Not to mention Disposition/Reflection/Triad. *shudders*

[QUOTE=letmypeopleho]The major chord change in The Patient does it for me.[/QUOTE]

Because I'm not a guitarist or bassist, that doesn't mean much to me. The guitars get heavier in some parts and lighter in others, that's all I notice. Maynard created a much more darker setting with lyrics saying he might walk away from his beliefs (the speaker atleast). Plus, my ear for the drums didn't catch a single light part.

[QUOTE=Kage]I think The Patient is a dark song, too. At the beginning, it's a very bleak guitar line and the vocal line is pretty haunting. It all builds up to a massive dynamic change, which makes the song pretty heavy. It sort of has a sinister feel to it.

Not to mention Disposition/Reflection/Triad. *shudders*[/QUOTE]
Yes. Thats why I only said the major chord change.

You know, it occurs to me that you were on about scales, but I'm gald they've moved away from the major scale. I believe several songs on Lateralus (namely The Patient and the title track) are based on the D Dorian scale, which is a mode of C Maj.

I need to learn this scales stuff when I get my new guitar...

[QUOTE=Kage]You know, it occurs to me that you were on about scales, but I'm gald they've moved away from the major scale. I believe several songs on Lateralus (namely The Patient and the title track) are based on the D Dorian scale, which is a mode of C Maj.[/QUOTE]
Well, it is a mode of C Maj, but so is the A Aolian scale. Aolian is played with the same notes of Cmaj but starting on A. Aolian=Minor. This turns it to the A minor scale. D Dorian is one accidental away from being a minor scale.

I'm also glad Tool has moved farther from the major scales, yet I would like to see a bit more light shed on the new one. It could turn out to be a refreshing change from Lateralus. Combined with the "supposed" heaviness, it could turn out to be very enjoyable.

[QUOTE=letmypeopleho]Well, it is a mode of C Maj, but so is the A Aolian scale. Aolian is played with the same notes of Cmaj but starting on A. Aolian=Minor. This turns it to the A minor scale. D Dorian is one accidental away from being a minor scale.[/QUOTE]

Yes, this I knew :p. But I'm pretty sure they use the D Dorian quite often.

[QUOTE=Kage]Yes, this I knew :p. But I'm pretty sure they use the D Dorian quite often.[/QUOTE]
I think more on Aenima than on Lateralus. But thats just my ear talking.

I hope theres an update about the new album soon... I'll take anything.

[QUOTE=Darkness Of Greed]I hope theres an update about the new album soon... I'll take anything.[/QUOTE]
Same.