[QUOTE=spirit;15075613]Then you probably have technique issues.[/QUOTE]

probably

Yep. If you break ANY of the cymbals I listed your an idiot and shouldnt play drums

[QUOTE=XxColt13xX;15075653]probably[/QUOTE]

Then may I advise working those issues out first?

[QUOTE=oliv_da_skinmasher;15075660]Yep. If you break ANY of the cymbals I listed your an idiot and shouldnt play drums[/QUOTE]

No, don't be that harsh.

You do need to develop better technique though.

Most of them are pretty hardcore cymbals tbh. I didn't mean to sound harsh tho

yeah, it doesn't matter. i probably have bad technique but whatever. i'm kinda trying to work on it. it just seems like i just hit a bit too hard...I'm not saying i crack a cymbal every month. i've played like a year and cracked two though.

Yeah, Hitting hard isn't a problem, I SMASH at my cymbals, but have never broken anything(except a wuhan china thats bell exploded) it's how you hit them not how hard

[QUOTE]Correct Playing Technique
Avoid Undue Shock Circular Cuts Example The cymbal's edge is the thinnest and most delicate part so how you strike it and at which angle is very important. It is generally best to angle the cymbal at a downward position so you will be able to hit it with a glancing blow. You can also strike the cymbal using a pull back stroke technique (see fig. 14 a & b), which avoids undue shock and stress to the cymbal. Hitting the cymbal dead on in a mounted position (see photo 3), will cause unnecessary stress and breakage. This stress does not allow the cymbal to vibrate correctly, and often a player will tend to overplay the cymbal because of incorrect angles and heights.

Sometimes drummers prefer mounting their cymbals all flat, usually for visual effect. If you choose to do this, we suggest you mount your cymbals low enough to strike them with glancing blows. This will make them last a long time while achieving the look you want.

Remember to choose the right cymbal for the situation. An example of a poor choice would be a small, light cymbal for Heavy Metal music. Overplaying a cymbal will not give you more sound, it will only cause the cymbal to break before its time. Overplaying also makes you work harder than necessary. Spend time getting familiar with your cymbals and their dynamic ranges. The more you know about them, the better you will play them.
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Taken from: [url]http://paiste.com/faqs/[/url]

That whole page is worth reading.

[QUOTE=fishbulb;15076009]Taken from: [url]http://paiste.com/faqs/[/url]

That whole page is worth reading.[/QUOTE]

thanks man. I was contemplating changing my setup to angle my cymbals down at me a little more.




Okay yall have said that the aa metal x's are one dimensional, care to elaborate? how do they sound? how is the decay?

I've never played them, but apparently they only fit metal, so if you do try to play softer rock or funk, they will sound too trashy and "in your face". Also, you can only get one sound out of them, and are "one-dimensional". A Customs produce a wide array of different sounds depending on how you play it, whereas the Metal-X's have one main sound to them.

for now i think i'll order the aa metal x 16 and 18's with a free splash

then later upgrade my kit to maybe some a customs

^ Light, thin cymbals actually tend to last longer, haha, they're less brittle.

i love my a customs. you cant go wrong with them. if you dont get a chance to play them at least try to get a sound clip. i have a 16'' and a 14'' fast crash. both are really good but i love the 16'' sound. im reallying thinking about a 17'' or a 19'' eventually b/c i dont care too much for the sound of the 18'' but then again i like the K's :P

[QUOTE=TTTSNB;15076741]^ Light, thin cymbals actually tend to last longer, haha, they're less brittle.[/QUOTE]

to a point. There comes a point where a cymbal is SO thin that it's actually more likely to shatter.


for most really heavy players, that point is somewhere around a "medium" or "medium light" weight.


and Z customs are horrid because of the hammering pattern, not cuz of the thickness.

[QUOTE=XxColt13xX;15076722]for now i think i'll order the aa metal x 16 and 18's with a free splash

then later upgrade my kit to maybe some a customs[/QUOTE]

But Metal-Xs cost practically the same amount as A Customs so you might as well save your money and get what you want first. It's like saying that you want a $10,000 car, but you will get a $9,900 car first so you can save and upgrade to the $10,000 car later. Not practical.

Alright, can't decide which to pair with my 22" K Heavy:
20" HHX Manhattan Ride, 20" K Crash-Ride or 20" K Ride.

Needed for multiple styles of a mostly low to medium volume setting.

what is your setup?

[quote=fastlane;15082107]what is your setup?[/quote]

13" K/Z Special Hats
16" K Custom Special Dry Crash
22" K Heavy Ride
two splashes [I own a selection of 8 currently]
18" Amun Medium [occasionally, recent purchase]

Play mostly medium volume stuff, church, jazz, blues, latin-funk, rock.

id go with the crash ride to give you a little more diversity but thats just me. the 20" might not be a big change from the heavy ride and your looking for something to complement the sound but not be really close to it right? idk much about the hhx cymbal.

The HHX. Its a great sounding cymbal

the manhattan is a nice ride. i debating between that one and the groove ride.

I'd go for the Manhattan tbh, much nicer ride IMO

yeah i love the subtle overtones it has more than the groove rides. after i buy my new set, i'll start saving up for that one probably.

What about the 20" Constananoples [aka K Custom-Custom haha]. Are any of those in the sound range i'm after?

A lot of the Constantinoples are for the hard core jazz players that play just jazz. I think the High Definition ride is worth checking out. Something that would be completely different would be the 24" K Light Ride. It's got a very different sound. That 22" K(or K Custom, I'm not sure)ride that Zildjian released that they worked with Cindy Blackman is supposedly a very versatile ride, from what I hear. Those are the Zildjian's I'd recommend looking into. Try out the Constantinoples though, you may find one you really like.

Hmm maybe try the Dry Complex Ride, for a ver different sound.

[quote=XxColt13xX;15075609]BUT i'm worried about cracking cymbals...i tend to make a habit out of it.[/quote]

The thicker the cymbal is, the less give it has, the more likely it is to crack.

This is why i dont own a crash/efx cymbal over Medium-Thin weight.

Same Here, Plusi can't stand thick crashes or chinas.

Same.

My Z Custom china and my AAXplosion are my thickest crashes/efx's.

Unless you count bells. Which i dont.

Yeah..but rides thats a Different story. I've got a Med, and a Heavy Ride

Mines a heavy :)

Platinum Rock Ride.

I got me a platinum ride on the way ;)

Which one?

21" Rock Ride I believe

^ sounds nice :p

I have the 20" rock ride.

Its not great to crash.

I wont be crashing it, ill have to figure a way to use my sweet ride as a crash ride :D

Does anybody know of a cymbal that might sound like a "Zildjian Constantinople 15" Crash Special Selection Cymbal," or possibly somewhere online that I can listen to it? I can't find it on the Zildjian site, maybe I'm just stupid.

Right well, since ive cracked my first cymbal in 4 years, im gonna look for a better quality one.

It was a stagg SH 12" China. It was quick, harsh, trashy and everything a small china should be.

I want something with similar qualities but a bit smoother and darker plus a bit more durable.

14" Zildjian Oriental China?