[QUOTE=adams9168]I completely agree with you. I love how Maynard is athiest.[/QUOTE]
Is he for sure?

[QUOTE=adams9168]I'm not sure. He's probably agnostic.[/QUOTE]
Thats what I'm thinking.

Yeah, I think I once read somewhere that he does not consider himself to be athiest.

Maynard was once quoted as praising Jesus and Mohammed as having great ideas about peace/love/understanding, or something to that effect...and said that their PR guys went and fu[color=white]c[/color]ked it up.

Maynard is anti-hypocrisy, he said in an MTV (?) interview that it was the hypocrisy in the church that turned him off to them...he never said anywhere that he was atheist/didn't believe in God.

He was raised a Baptist, so...

I'm not sure he's completely shunned his beliefs so much as he has shunned corrupt church officials, etc. He doesn't seem to like the organized part of organized religion...but he's never openly claimed to be sacreligious.

He's too much of a romantic to be an atheist. Thats the impression I get almost any artist. It's weird I go to an arts school, and the majority of the people there are atheist. I find it pointless to make art, if there is no "spiritual essence". What else would make it art and not matter?

The people are quite contradictory and reject all religion just because it may have rules. Yet they make Art, which has an unexplainable essence to it.

[QUOTE=The JoZ]Maynard was once quoted as praising Jesus and Mohammed as having great ideas about peace/love/understanding, or something to that effect...and said that their PR guys went and fu[color=white]c[/color]ked it up.

Maynard is anti-hypocrisy, he said in an MTV (?) interview that it was the hypocrisy in the church that turned him off to them...he never said anywhere that he was atheist/didn't believe in God.

He was raised a Baptist, so...

I'm not sure he's completely shunned his beliefs so much as he has shunned corrupt church officials, etc. He doesn't seem to like the organized part of organized religion...but he's never openly claimed to be sacreligious.[/QUOTE]
Yes I remember that quote I think I have a file on my comp of it.

Even the lyrics he writes...aren't openly blasphemous or anything.

Even when he says "Jesus Christ why don't you come save my life now? / Open my eyes, blind me with your light"...

That doesn't mean he's putting Jesus down, but to me, he's taking a shot at people who let the church/religion blind them completely; in essence, they take some people over, because they are blind to everything but what the church tells them.

This would go along with the mantra of "Think for yourself"

[QUOTE=The JoZ]Even the lyrics he writes...aren't openly blasphemous or anything.

Even when he says "Jesus Christ why don't you come save my life now? / Open my eyes, blind me with your light"...

That doesn't mean he's putting Jesus down, but to me, he's taking a shot at people who let the church/religion blind them completely; in essence, they take some people over, because they are blind to everything but what the church tells them.

This would go along with the mantra of "Think for yourself"[/QUOTE]
Exactly, I thought I was alone. People are like "how could it not have been, Maynard hates religion". I only just had the motivation to say somthing recently.

Any way I'm out for the night.

[QUOTE=letmypeopleho]Exactly, I thought I was alone. People are like "how could it not have been, Maynard hates religion". I only just had the motivation to say somthing recently.

Any way I'm out for the night.[/QUOTE]


Tool's big thing is to not take things at face value. Yet alot of people who have said that have done just that.

Honestly, I think the only straightforward song Tool has is "Ticks and Leeches", and even then, it's ambiguous as to who it's really about. The rest of their songs are pretty much open to alot of interpretation. "Opiate" is no exception, and I think my interpretation of those lyrics is pretty accurate, IMO.

[QUOTE=BurtonChancellor]Am I the only one who has a little laugh whenever Lateralus re-ordered is referred to as "the holy gift"? As awesome an album as it may be (and it IS likely my favourite album), "the holy gift" is just a wee melodramatic and over the top way to refer to the album.

It's also missing a rather important point that Maynard's trying to get across in his lyrics, IMO. Our chance to be alive, to have new experiences and live each moment, THAT is the holy gift that he's talking about. Not a cleverly hidden alternate track order in one of their albums.[/QUOTE]

hey a long time ago someone wrote their view on the "alternative track listing" for lateralus, and i think i know where hes comin from its. 8,9,1,2,3,6,7,10,11,12,4,5,13. i added ticks and leeches first becuase i see it as he's telling us fans who soo much want tool to Do better and release more ****(SALIVAL) and that he basically lost hid voice to make it What we wanted. and when triad ends mantra comes in faint and tehn bam! but, when schism comes its basically about Teh fall of THE Tower of BAbel. and that this album was basically the building of the Towerr.

I think of Maynard as definitely athiest. If he doesn't necessarily hate religion, I don't see why he would say (well he doesn't say it, but he wrote it) "F*CK YOUR GOD! Your Lord, your Christ". I don't know about your guys but to me that doesn't sound like a "think for yourself".

My stance on the whole deal; I hate religion, but I don't hate people that follow it (except those darn Jehovah's Witnesses).

You should check out the commentary he makes during "Judith" on the aMOTION dvd.. He makes sure to clear out that he does not say "Fvck THE God but fvck YOUR God" In this song he's referring to his mother's beliefs or something. I don't remember it quite clearly but I'm pretty sure he's not plain out saying..."fvck God"...Jeez, I don't know if I made any sense...It's too early for me and I gotta get to class...*yawn*

Not to get too far off this cool topic, but I've been up all night tabbing The Grudge, and wanted to post it before I go to bed. Any of you that play guitar wanna check it out and tell me what you think I'll be back on later...

[URL=http://www.matter4u.com/images/TheGrudge.txt]The Grudge[/URL]

I couldnt put it on Toolshed cuz of their ghey tab posting system that wraps text....

Yeha in judith he says 'Fcuk your god your lord your christ, he's the one that did this to you, you never thoguth to question why' It seems like hes saying to his grandmother he let you die, you shouldn't blindly believe in him. Which is not something a devout christian would do.

[QUOTE=clearvision]Yeha in judith he says 'Fcuk your god your lord your christ, he's the one that did this to you, you never thoguth to question why' It seems like hes saying to his grandmother he let you die, you shouldn't blindly believe in him. Which is not something a devout christian would do.[/QUOTE]

Actually, Billy says that.

Anyway... I'm not really sure about Maynard, he's agnostic in the sense he believes in syncronisities and connections between things, and that everything somehow fits together, possibly for a larger purpose. I get the feeling from Opiate that he WAS completely anti-religion. Yet, from his later works, I believe his opinion mellowed somewhat. Opiate seems very athiest in it's views, sure, you can say he's just bashing people being sheep, but I think it's quite clear back then that he had strong emotions about Christianity being a complete load of crap, and he didn't believe in/like Jesus.

Nowadays, he seems very new-age and individualist in his beliefs, somewhat a suprise if all you'd heard was Opiate. Theres a HUGE difference in the seeming approach to life from those two releases. Simply, he grew.

[QUOTE=clearvision]Yeha in judith he says 'Fcuk your god your lord your christ, he's the one that did this to you, you never thoguth to question why' It seems like hes saying to his grandmother he let you die, you shouldn't blindly believe in him. Which is not something a devout christian would do.[/QUOTE]

I don't think anyone is saying he's a devout Christian...

He may not even fully be a Christian anymore. I don't know for sure.

But I don't think he's an atheist, or agnostic. Nobody seems to know what Maynard really thinks, and I think that's the way he'd prefer it.

The whole judith thing is more of a letter to his mother who fell fataly ill and she said "it is all a part of god's glorious plan" and maynard was probably so angry over that it was like an written letter to her.


With all this hullabaloo about maynards religion i wouldnt be amazed if he actually believed in a god but as we all know he isnt a fan of the middle man in religion about someone who is only in religion to reap the benifits (money)

[QUOTE=Rothmans]The whole judith thing is more of a letter to his mother who fell fataly ill and she said "it is all a part of god's glorious plan" and maynard was probably so angry over that it was like an written letter to her.[/QUOTE]

And his anger would be understandable in some respect.

Either way, I maintain that Maynard is not a sacreligious man.

He's just different :thumb:

[QUOTE=The JoZ]And his anger would be understandable in some respect.

Either way, I maintain that Maynard is not a sacreligious man.

He's just different :thumb:[/QUOTE]
:lol:
True but i have always wonderd what religion Justin is?

[QUOTE=Rothmans]:lol:
True but i have always wonderd what religion Justin is?[/QUOTE]

I don't really know. :p

I don't particularly care about my bands and their religion.

Dream Theater are Catholic/Jewish. Tool are...well, we don't really know what Tool are, it's hard to tell.

As long as they make great music, it doesn't matter to me :thumb:

[QUOTE=The JoZ]I don't really know. :p

I don't particularly care about my bands and their religion.

Dream Theater are Catholic/Jewish. Tool are...well, we don't really know what Tool are, it's hard to tell.

As long as they make great music, it doesn't matter to me :thumb:[/QUOTE]

Obviously it doesnt matter but it has always made me curious i dont know why but just has.

Oh yeah, back on to the backing tracks for a minute...

My neck is really, really, sore after I slept on it wrong...about the only thing I can do is sit and type, and even that isn't done very comfortably, or well...

I do have my four string back, but until my neck is better, I can't play bass (or drive, or move very well for that matter).

So, don't worry all of you wanting the rest of those tracks, I'll get them to you. But it may not happen today, or even tomorrow...

[QUOTE=The JoZ]Oh yeah, back on to the backing tracks for a minute...

My neck is really, really, sore after I slept on it wrong...about the only thing I can do is sit and type, and even that isn't done very comfortably, or well...

I do have my four string back, but until my neck is better, I can't play bass (or drive, or move very well for that matter).

So, don't worry all of you wanting the rest of those tracks, I'll get them to you. But it may not happen today, or even tomorrow...[/QUOTE]

No problem man thanks so much for that I finnaly have got the right rythm for Sober because of them so now we can practice that (me and my band we have alread nailed the patient and stinkfist :cool: )

But on another note I was flicking through a magazine and i stumbled on something interesting it was about a perfect circle (im not a big fan but interesting snippet)

Its about thirteenth step and bily sheds some new light onto it I will post it in one second...

I could record schism if you want, but I couldnt put a drum track to it.

Well here we go:

[B]Interviewer:[/B]
How does "Thirteenth Step" differ from "Mer De Noms"?

[B]Billy:[/B]

"For me personnaly, the only thing would be that it's more organic, a little less
dense than last time. Things that i'm more inspired by today would be Cat Power, or Interpol. Things like that. Thats what I find myself listening to."

[B]Interviewer:[/B]
What does the title mean?

[B]Billy:[/B]
we've got a lot of friends in AA or 12- step programmes which none of the band are in and the 13th step is preying on somebody, or being preyed on
by someone who sees another person in their vulnerable state, and while they're trying to rid themselves of whatever demons that are going on, they've now got this new predator out there who sees the vulnerability open up.

[B]Interviewer:[/B]
What feelings inspired the album?

[B]Billy:[/B]
"I wanted to go into this record with more of an optimistic approach. I war writing from the feeling of 9/11. There was so much darkness, and [it was] such a heavy time, and it seems to be whatever is happy in my life I want to rebel against that particular feeling of comfort, of control you have to be comfortable with uncertainty. I felt a loss of control."

"phew"

Sorry if there is sloppy grammer or spelling it just got a bit tireing or if anyone cares about it.

[QUOTE=Rothmans]

[B]Interviewer:[/B]
What does the title mean?

[B]Billy:[/B]
we've got a lot of friends in AA or 12- step programmes which none of the band are in and the 13th step is preying on somebody, or being preyed on
by someone who sees another person in their vulnerable state, and while they're trying to rid themselves of whatever demons that are going on, they've now got this new predator out there who sees the vulnerability open up.

[/QUOTE]


I kind of thought thats what the title meant, because in the episode of "Family Guy" where Y2K destroys civilization, Peter walks out of a liquor store called "The Thirteenth Step", or as my buddy calls it, Retox.

[QUOTE=The JoZ]Oh yeah, back on to the backing tracks for a minute...

My neck is really, really, sore after I slept on it wrong...about the only thing I can do is sit and type, and even that isn't done very comfortably, or well...

I do have my four string back, but until my neck is better, I can't play bass (or drive, or move very well for that matter).

So, don't worry all of you wanting the rest of those tracks, I'll get them to you. But it may not happen today, or even tomorrow...[/QUOTE]

No matter. Its a bonus recieving them in any case. Plus Stinkfist will do well for a few days for me

/send sexy young blonde over to deal with your neck

[QUOTE=Adam Jones is GOD]No matter. Its a bonus recieving them in any case. Plus Stinkfist will do well for a few days for me

/send sexy young blonde over to deal with your neck[/QUOTE]

:naughty:

Maybe you can send her back after I finish the rest of the tracks?

[QUOTE=Adam Jones is GOD]No matter. Its a bonus recieving them in any case. Plus Stinkfist will do well for a few days for me

/send sexy young blonde over to deal with your neck[/QUOTE]


i finally got MY bassist to learn jimmy. He almost has it down, it just sucks that im the only who knows when the changes are and how many bars to play each riff for. I cant wait to hear his rendition of that.

Hey,
Does anyone else ever feel like when they listen to both the Grudge and Lateralus its like a religeous revalation. I listen to Tool almost everyday, but still with both of those songs, it gets me everytime (especially the poly-breakdown in Lateralus with Danny Carey's rediculous drumming, and then Maynard comes in...omg its almost orgasmic)
Just wanted to know if i was alone...

[QUOTE=ndude77]Hey,
Does anyone else ever feel like when they listen to both the Grudge and Lateralus its like a religeous revalation. I listen to Tool almost everyday, but still with both of those songs, it gets me everytime (especially the poly-breakdown in Lateralus with Danny Carey's rediculous drumming, and then Maynard comes in...omg its almost orgasmic)
Just wanted to know if i was alone...[/QUOTE]
im sure your not alone

[QUOTE=The JoZ]Oh yeah, back on to the backing tracks for a minute...

My neck is really, really, sore after I slept on it wrong...about the only thing I can do is sit and type, and even that isn't done very comfortably, or well...

I do have my four string back, but until my neck is better, I can't play bass (or drive, or move very well for that matter).

So, don't worry all of you wanting the rest of those tracks, I'll get them to you. But it may not happen today, or even tomorrow...[/QUOTE]

Sounds like a very convienient excuse to me :amaze:

No matter, I'm having a lot of fun with Stinkfist right now. I didn't realize how sketchy my timing was on the solo section, and this is definately helping.

[QUOTE=Kage]Sounds like a very convienient excuse to me :amaze:

No matter, I'm having a lot of fun with Stinkfist right now. I didn't realize how sketchy my timing was on the solo section, and this is definately helping.[/QUOTE]

F[color=white]u[/color]ck you, I'm in alot of pain here :angry:

I can't drive, or do anything really :upset:

I have done that before, i slept on the sofa and i was in agony the next day.

Joz whats your favorite Tool song to play on bass? Mine has gotta be schism.

[QUOTE=bassist-bmxer]I have done that before, i slept on the sofa and i was in agony the next day.

Joz whats your favorite Tool song to play on bass? Mine has gotta be schism.[/QUOTE]

Third Eye :cool:

Aww to JoZ :)

Theres no rush man, take your time...will be cool to hear peoples attempts at adams tone and stuff...specially mine with my zoom :(

[QUOTE=clearvision]Aww to JoZ :)

Theres no rush man, take your time...will be cool to hear peoples attempts at adams tone and stuff...specially mine with my zoom :([/QUOTE]
I have a boss ME-50 and that is gay for getting his tone i get nearly too it with some songs but rarely ever.

I have a zoom 606, i would love an ME-50 :lol:

[QUOTE=clearvision]Aww to JoZ :)

Theres no rush man, take your time...will be cool to hear peoples attempts at adams tone and stuff...specially mine with my zoom :([/QUOTE]

I lose

Marshall MG30DFX with Jackhammer Distortion pedal.

And I use the in built flange effect.

Hence, my tone = crap