I completly agree with Shane. They work hard everyday just to get by and feed their families. And now their kids have a better chance of doing something with their lives. They can become something now, they have an oppurtunity, Isn't that what this country is about?

[QUOTE=Route 1]The real problem lies in Mexico. They have to clean their act up so their own people don't have to flee their country.[/QUOTE]
That is almost impossible. The country is too corrupt and run by thieves.

Well I'm sure the huge brick wall will convince them to get their s[I]h[/I]it together.

If not, they're stuck there, NOT OUR PROBLEM.



U S A!

U S A!

U S A!

[QUOTE=faith and fiction]So they don't have a right to pursuit of happiness?[/QUOTE]
That was ment to be a universal benefactor of man written into the constitutuion to drive home the point to England that they couldn't oppress us any longer. So, the pursute of happiness isn't really unique to the consitution and therefore cannot be applied to this situation. It's up to the person to pursue happiness, it's not really a right just magically given to us by a piece of paper.

[QUOTE=Route 1]Illegally.




The real problem lies in Mexico. They have to clean their act up so their own people don't have to flee their country.[/QUOTE]Just because it's law doesn't make it right. And maybe Mexico wouldn't be in such a jam if we hadn't left them for dead over the course of history. Just saying.

[QUOTE=faith and fiction]Just because it's law doesn't make it right. And maybe Mexico wouldn't be in such a jam if we hadn't left them for dead over the course of history. Just saying.[/QUOTE]
Not just the law, but it's also wrong by principle.

Left them for dead? We're outsourcing thousands of jobs there and giving them countless amounts of aid. The government of Mexico doesn't use the aid in the correct way, that is why the Mexican people are in such destitute.

[QUOTE=Route 1]Not just the law, but it's also wrong by principle.

Left them for dead? We're outsourcing thousands of jobs there and giving them countless amounts of aid. The government of Mexico doesn't use the aid in the correct way, that is why the Mexican people are in such destitute.[/QUOTE]I'm speaking over the course of 150 years here but that's a whole other argument.

And the government of Mexico is run by Mexican drug cartels so that explains why any aid sent over isn't being used.

And I don't see how coming here to give your family a better life is breaking some universal principle. I didn't realize only the privaledged can benifit in this life.

[QUOTE=Route 1]That was ment to be a universal benefactor of man written into the constitutuion to drive home the point to England that they couldn't oppress us any longer. So, the pursute of happiness isn't really unique to the consitution and therefore cannot be applied to this situation. It's up to the person to pursue happiness, it's not really a right just magically given to us by a piece of paper.[/QUOTE]
That's true, good point.

[QUOTE=faith and fiction]I'm speaking over the course of 150 years here but that's a whole other argument.

And the government of Mexico is run by Mexican drug cartels so that explains why any aid sent over isn't being used.

And I don't see how coming here to give your family a better life is breaking some universal principle. I didn't realize only the privaledged can benifit in this life.[/QUOTE]
I undertsand that they need to support their families. But I suggest we help them find another way without breaking our laws.

[QUOTE=Route 1]I undertsand that they need to support their families. But I suggest we help them find another way without breaking our laws.[/QUOTE]This makes me happy because it's not too often when you can argue with someone and finally come to an agreement.

[QUOTE=faith and fiction]This makes me happy because it's not too often when you can argue with someone and finally come to an agreement.[/QUOTE]
It's also not too often that you find intellegent conversation on MX.

How? Got any ideas? They want to live the life you and I have. They want this badly. Whats so criminal about it? Seriously, are they really taking away our jobs? They're doing jobs no one else is willing to. And their kids have the chance to become someone. They buy our products and go to our stores. It helps us too.

[QUOTE=faith and fiction]This makes me happy because it's not too often when you can argue with someone and finally come to an agreement.[/QUOTE]
Me too.

Or we could just make the law different in the first place? I mean if we are going to have to work around it ourselves, might as well.

[QUOTE=SunnyDayRealEstateAM]How? Got any ideas? They want to live the life you and I have. They want this badly. Whats so criminal about it? Seriously, are they really taking away our jobs? They're doing jobs no one else is willing to. And their kids have the chance to become someone. They buy our products and go to our stores. It helps us too.[/QUOTE]
There is nothing criminal for wanting to live better. What is criminal is the means they are trying to achieve it by. Again, I am for a process that will help them and not break our laws at the same time.

This is a bit of an outlandish suggestion, but we need to do something like they did in the New Deal acts with the public works. Like bringing Mexicans over here to America and basically having them help out with government funded public projects in exchange for money to send back home to their families...maybe even some government funded housing depending on what people decide on that and how much of our taxes would goto that.

I mean I'm no politician but it sounded good in my head.

[QUOTE=Route 1]There is nothing criminal for wanting to live better. What is criminal is the means they are trying to achieve it by. Again, I am for a process that will help them and not break our laws at the same time.[/QUOTE]

Agreed.

Discharge tonight, but noone I know is going. Thinking about going on my own, but I'll probably just save my cash.

Dude, you should go.

So I just checked out Iron Age...

...SO GOOD! I need to get their new album.

[QUOTE=faith and fiction]This is a bit of an outlandish suggestion, but we need to do something like they did in the New Deal acts with the public works. Like bringing Mexicans over here to America and basically having them help out with government funded public projects in exchange for money to send back home to their families...maybe even some government funded housing depending on what people decide on that and how much of our taxes would goto that.

I mean I'm no politician but it sounded good in my head.[/QUOTE]
it sounded good to a bunch of poor people back then so why wouldn't it sound good to a bunch of mexicans now?

not a bad idea, i just don't know what kind of programs they could create, and if it would be too much of an impedance on the govt's budget.

fdr, what a guy!

Is it true that people in Texas sit in like watch towers and shoot mexicans with tranqs as they try and get into the US? Supposedly in one of our theology classes, Social Justice, they show us a video of that happening.

And honestly, I don't really have a problem with illegal aliens. Maybe its becuase im in Iowa, almost in the middle of the US, but the fact that they are coming over here doesn't bother me. We are giving them oppurtunities for a better life. Unless the corporate owners are lying and cheating them. But, please, enlighten me with how it is down south, like Pat or Shane. Becuase I really don't know what it is actually like, just what the media portrays.

Bane / Modern Life Is War / This Is Hell / Outbreak tour.

Here's the dates.

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Gay, looks like I may be heading to Philly.

I'd go to that mostly for Outbreak.

Yeah, i'm only gonna go for them and MLIW.

That's a bitchin' tour. If only anyone in my school liked hardcore. Yo Reiner, could you pick me up on your way down?

Hop on the R7 train from Trenton.

True.

Are you anywhere near 206?