I stated similar thoughts on the new album and opeth's new direction a few pages back. I'm not at all dissappointed though, I love the album.

And although we shouldn't argue there should definitely be some debate/discussion. There's really a fine line between debating/discussing and arguing, but it debating really boils down to arguing while still maintaining an open mind and respect for everyone elses opinion.

My thoughts:
Not many people know about opeth, and certainly not many know opeth as intimately as most people in this thread--so why not add some depth to it through discussion? Are you people satisfied with just skimming the surface of everything this band deals with the comments like "Black Rose Immortal is sooo awesome". I know I'm not. I want to see a differing viewpoints and a variety of perspectives on music that I'm familar with and think I already know. I want to better explore the multiple facets that this band offers and I think this would be a great place for that.

[QUOTE=ElectricalStorm]Not many people know about opeth[/QUOTE]
Actually, they are very popular. When I went to SOTU, I saw more people there wearing Opeth gear than I did for any other band. That is very surprising considering that bands like Gwar, Lamb of God, and Unearth were there.

[QUOTE=Damien Rhodes]Actually, they are very popular. When I went to SOTU, I saw more people there wearing Opeth gear than I did for any other band. That is very surprising considering that bands like Gwar, Lamb of God, and Unearth were there.[/QUOTE]
Within the metal/musician community they've become popular, but outside of that subculture they're not all that popular.

That's true. Why is that? Opeth are not amazingly technical or anything, and there are plenty of other bands with more complex writing. What about Opeth attracts musicians so much? For me, I think it's the atmosphere and mixed aggression/sadness they have, which has nothing to do with intricate musicianship.

[QUOTE=Damien Rhodes]That's true. Why is that? Opeth are not amazingly technical or anything, and there are plenty of other bands with more complex writing. What about Opeth attracts musicians so much? For me, I think it's the atmosphere and mixed aggression/sadness they have, which has nothing to do with intricate musicianship.[/QUOTE]

Maybe because some musicians like technicallity more than anything, so they listen to their wide variety of technically skilled bands while other musicians (us) like the songwritting and atmosphere that Opeth creates so easily.

[QUOTE=relliK]Well, as Flynn said.To each his own.I never said it was the heaviest, I said it was one of the heaviest.IMO Deliverance remains as the heaviest.You're crazy if you think the heavy parts dont come close to the albums you listed.

I suppose the beginning of GoP, or it at about 6:30 isnt heavy.

The Baying of the Hounds at 6:00 at an almost symphonic BM moment, not heavy at all.

The first verse on Beneath the Mire, the final part of Harlequin Forest, The Grand Conjuration.All p[COLOR=Black]us[/COLOR]sy s[COLOR=Black]hi[/COLOR]t huh?

Again, you're crazy.[/QUOTE]
Why are those parts heavy? Because of the growling? I don't find the guitars or drums THAT heavy at all, but ofcourse its still pretty heavy, just not as heavy as the albums I stated before. IMO ofcourse, everybody has a different opinion of what heavy is.

Who cares about how "heavy" it is if it sounds good? If you don't like an album because it's not heavy enough for you, you shouldn't be listening to Opeth anyway because thier music is both heavy and soft, angry and sad, etc.

[QUOTE=ambush]Who cares about how "heavy" it is if it sounds good? If you don't like an album because it's not heavy enough for you, you shouldn't be listening to Opeth anyway because thier music is both heavy and soft, angry and sad, etc.[/QUOTE]
Eh...yes and no.

Opeth IS Metal and Metal IS heavy, that's how its always been. To go from the contrast of Deliverance (with Deliverance, Wreath, Master's Apprentice) and BWP (Leper Affinity, BWP, Bleak) to this album is a big thing. I never said it didn't sound good, only that I wish it could have been heavier. Yes, it is stupid to not like an album because its not "heavy", but anyone who has listened to Orchid to Deliverance that with the exception of ****ation, Opeth is a heavy band. Yes, they do combine elements of Prog and Folk even with their music, which is why we love them so much and that they can appeal to a larger audience.

Don't be so quick to say that you shouldn't listen to Opeth because some of us expected more metal. Its just taking some getting used to, that's all. GR is a good album, but its no BWP :p

[QUOTE=IvortheEngineDriver]Eh...yes and no.

Opeth IS Metal and Metal IS heavy, that's how its always been. To go from the contrast of Deliverance (with Deliverance, Wreath, Master's Apprentice) and BWP (Leper Affinity, BWP, Bleak) to this album is a big thing. I never said it didn't sound good, only that I wish it could have been heavier. Yes, it is stupid to not like an album because its not "heavy", but anyone who has listened to Orchid to Deliverance that with the exception of ****ation, Opeth is a heavy band. Yes, they do combine elements of Prog and Folk even with their music, which is why we love them so much and that they can appeal to a larger audience.

Don't be so quick to say that you shouldn't listen to Opeth because some of us expected more metal. Its just taking some getting used to, that's all. GR is a good album, but its no BWP :p[/QUOTE]

I'm not gonna go count or anything (although.. it might be somewhat entertaining) but I'd be willing to bet that BWP and GR have about the same amount of clean passages throughout. I'm guessing that the clean passages/songs take away from the "heaviness" of the entire album, so that's what I'm making the connection between the two CDs with. Both CDs have 8 songs, GR has 2 entirely soft ones, BWP has 2. I don't think heaviness has anything to do with your (referring to all who are iffy about GR) liking or disliking of GR, it's just that BWP has better, more memorable riffs, more epic songs, and kicks a lot more a[color=white]s[/color]s in general (like you said in your last sentence.. kind of).

[QUOTE=ambush]Who cares about how "heavy" it is if it sounds good? If you don't like an album because it's not heavy enough for you, you shouldn't be listening to Opeth anyway because thier music is both heavy and soft, angry and sad, etc.[/QUOTE]
I don't think it sounds that good. Heaviness would have added to its goodness IMO. And more acoustics.

[QUOTE=Darkness Of Greed]I don't think it sounds that good. Heaviness would have added to its goodness IMO. And more acoustics.[/QUOTE]

Oh, well. I guess Opeth isn't hXc enough for you anymore. Sad day.

[QUOTE=ambush]Oh, well. I guess Opeth isn't hXc enough for you anymore. Sad day.[/QUOTE]
Guess so. :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=Darkness Of Greed]Guess so. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

Am I wrong? If "heaviness adds to its goodness" then Opeth's supposed lack of heaviness makes them less good, therefore not good enough? I don't know about you, but I'm banging my head a lot during songs like Ghost of Perdition and Baying of the Hounds.

[QUOTE=Darkness Of Greed]I don't think it sounds that good. Heaviness would have added to its goodness IMO. And more acoustics.[/QUOTE]


I agree...Yeah, I haven't listened to it in several days. I have been listening to a [I]lot[/I] of Deliverance though. :D

[QUOTE=ambush]Am I wrong? If "heaviness adds to its goodness" then Opeth's supposed lack of heaviness makes them less good, therefore not good enough?[/QUOTE]



Actually, if it makes you feel good, do it. :cool: [I]You[/I] may love Ghost Reveries, and you are definately going to run into people that don't care for it. It's all opinion based, really. You can't change someone's taste by stating what you think as a fact. Here's my opinion:

Ghost Reveries isn't as heavy as I would of liked it to be. Although, there are some nice heavy riffs, the album, as a whole, is lacking a [I]lot[/I] of lethality, both musically and lyrically. It almost seems as if it was ''rushed'' to get it out ASAP. There is quite a bit of singing on this album as well, nothing wrong with that, but too much is too much. It almost seems that Akerfeldt still has D@mnation on his mind.

I do like this album, not compared to other recordings of Opeth though. It's missing ''something'' and I can't describe what that is. :upset:

Of course, that is all my opinion. ;)

[QUOTE=Flynn]Actually, if it makes you feel good, do it. :cool: [I]You[/I] may love Ghost Reveries, and you are definately going to run into people that don't care for it. It's all opinion based, really. You can't change someone's taste by stating what you think as a fact. Here's my opinion:

Ghost Reveries isn't as heavy as I would of liked it to be. Although, there are some nice heavy riffs, the album, as a whole, is lacking a [I]lot[/I] of lethality, both musically and lyrically. It almost seems as if it was ''rushed'' to get it out ASAP. There is quite a bit of singing on this album as well, nothing wrong with that, but too much is too much. It almost seems that Akerfeldt still has D@mnation on his mind.

I do like this album, not compared to other recordings of Opeth though. It's missing ''something'' and I can't describe what that is. :upset:

Of course, that is all my opinion. ;)[/QUOTE]

I never said I loved GR, I'm just saying that his overbearing reason for not liking the CD is because of some overused adjective. I agree, GR doesn't measure up to anything Opeth has done in the past, it's missing something. But the CD is not "not heavy", it's just different Opeth, that's all.

[QUOTE=ambush]I never said I loved GR, I'm just saying that his overbearing reason for not liking the CD is because of some overused adjective. I agree, GR doesn't measure up to anything Opeth has done in the past, it's missing something. But the CD is not "[B]not heavy[/B]", it's just different Opeth, that's all.[/QUOTE]


I really think it's their lightest album.

[QUOTE=Flynn]I really think it's their lightest album.[/QUOTE]

Even so, it's still not light. You're dancing around the fact that this is a metal CD. It's still heavy. :lol:

[QUOTE=ambush]It's still heavy. :lol:[/QUOTE]


And if you think that, it's cool. :cool: Maybe you're the type of Opeth listener that likes the softer side of them. That's totally understandable. I [I]do[/I] respect that. :thumb:

[QUOTE=Flynn]And if you think that, it's cool. :cool: Maybe you're the type of Opeth listener that likes the softer side of them. That's totally understandable. I [I]do[/I] respect that. :thumb:[/QUOTE]

Wow.. don't get ignorant on me now. You're putting words in my mouth. My comment had nothing to do with the soft side of Opeth, I said that the album was heavy, I certainly wasn't referring to the soft sections.

But growling has no correlation with being heavy?

All I can do now is laugh and leave with less respect for you. How ridiculous.

[QUOTE=ambush]Wow.. don't get ignorant on me now. You're putting words in my mouth. My comment had nothing to do with the soft side of Opeth, I said that the album was heavy, I certainly wasn't referring to the soft sections.

But growling has no correlation with being heavy?

All I can do now is laugh and leave with less respect for you. How ridiculous.[/QUOTE]



Dude, shut up already. I wasn't being sarcastic. That is ALL YOUR OPINION, why force it? You're really annoying. You want people to just agree with everything you say, I can see that in your posts. Then when things don't do your way, and no one agrees with you, you get voilent and start degrating people using sly remarks. I think Ghost Reveries is light, if you got a problem with that, then go build a go-kart with your ex landlord. :wave:





[I]
''Take medication for that anger problem
then you will realize you have always been worthless
not because of your anger - because you're a nobody''[/I]

Agreed, shut up man. I happen to love Opeths soft side, as much as I love their heavy side. Dam[I]n[/I]ation is one of my favorites. But after that album, I want something a bit heavy sounding. This was a decent album but it lacked that certain 'something' Flynn already described. Drop it now, you like the album, we don't (to an extent). Don't argue with it, your not going to change our opinions.

Hahaha @ this argument. I like the little quote at the end.

I like rainbows :)

:lol: I can't get enough of this. I could care less if you don't like the CD, again, I'm not a huge fan of it. My problem is that your opinion contradicts itself. You don't like light music, and yet, you listen to Opeth, half of which is light.

Wow.. :lol:

I just think the album was poorly written, the lack of good riffs really doesn't agree with me. Just because I like soft music doesn't meen that I like [I]every[/I] soft peice of music. Same goes with heavy.

Forget it, your obviously a moron. Take note of who has the second most posts in this thread, then tell me that I don't like Opeth. They wouldn't be my second favorite band if I only liked half their material. Come to think of it, the ballads are probably my favorite songs next to Ghost of Peridition.

[QUOTE=Darkness Of Greed]I just think the album was poorly written, the lack of good riffs really doesn't agree with me. Just because I like soft music doesn't meen that I like [I]every[/I] soft peice of music. Same goes with heavy.[/QUOTE]

Yeah exactly. I fully agree with you on this one.




[QUOTE=ambush][U]You don't like light music,[/U] and yet, you listen to Opeth, half of which is light.

Wow.. [/QUOTE]

Do me a favor, go to the first page of this thread and read up to where we are now. You are making yourself look like a fool. While you're reading a [B]lot[/B] of what you missed, find a post from me that says I don't like light music.

-Thanks-

[QUOTE=Darkness Of Greed]
Take note of who has the second most posts in this thread, then tell me that I don't like Opeth. They wouldn't be my second favorite band if I only liked half their material. Come to think of it, the ballads are probably my favorite songs next to Ghost of Peridition.[/QUOTE]

Thank you for making my point. :thumb:

Anyways, I'd love to continue talking with you gentlemen, but I have to goto my girlfriend's Honors Induction Ceremony. Have a nice day. :wave:

Then why were you aruging with us? We've said that from the start. We love soft and heavy music, but this album just didn't sit with us.

Have fun. :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=Darkness Of Greed]Then why were you aruging with us? We've said that from the start. We love soft and heavy music, but this album just didn't sit with us.

Have fun. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]



It's all good, :D

All right, let's talk about something positive.

Discuss how freaking amazing the song BWP is.

NP: Epilogue

I'm still not over The Drapery Falls. Who's got the Opeth DVD? Is it as good as I imagine it would be?

I wanna order the Lamentations DVD is it any good?

[QUOTE=GiB_PlAyEr123]I wanna order the Lamentations DVD is it any good?[/QUOTE]
:lol: Two posts in a row on that, what the odds?

It's really good. If you don't like ****ation, don't bother, but if you do it's fantastic. The documentary is great and the live performance can't be beat.

[token complaint]Of course it only has stuff of BWP and D&D.[/token complaint]

[QUOTE=Simon__Thats_All]I'm still not over The Drapery Falls. Who's got the Opeth DVD? Is it as good as I imagine it would be?[/QUOTE]



It's decent, well worth your cash.

If they played BWP on the DVD, I would probably like it a lot more.

NP: The Drapery Falls
Good old shuffle feature

I think I'll get it off the net, it'll be a long time before I see it in an Australian music store I think. Especially in my town.

[QUOTE=Simon__Thats_All]I think I'll get it off the net, it'll be a long time before I see it in an Australian music store I think. Especially in my town.[/QUOTE]


I know what ya mean, I live in Iowa...my main music store is 80% rap.
It used to be 80% metal. But now it's all a bunch of crap rap.

[QUOTE=Creeping_Deth]If they played BWP on the DVD, I would probably like it a lot more.

NP: The Drapery Falls
Good old shuffle feature[/QUOTE]
Agreed, it would be perfect if it had BWP. At least we have The Leper Affinity. :thumb:

[QUOTE=Flynn]I know what ya mean, I live in Iowa...my main music store is 80% rap.
It used to be 80% metal. But now it's all a bunch of crap rap.[/QUOTE]

Ha! That reminds me of that movie whiteboyz.