Yeah, I was thinking stuff like that, but I dont know too much of that stuff. Im sure he would like it, unless hes one of those dicks thats only listens to tr00 metal like metallica and van halen and nothing else, then hes a fag and I dont want him in any band with me.

[QUOTE=Permanent Solution;14220940]an honest lifestyle is a lonely lifestyle tbqh

"What's so great about the truth? The truth hurts people - try lying for a change. It's the currency of the world."[/QUOTE]

Well id rather be lonely than a dishonest as[size=2]s[/size]hole.

All the guys that I'm in a band with hate rap, except the singer who's black lol

it's sort of annoying. they listen to a lot of bad metal

[QUOTE=cobert;14220960]Well id rather be lonely than a dishonest as[size=2]s[/size]hole.[/QUOTE]

:chug:

too bad so few others think like that or lonliness wouldn't even have to be a condition of that

Yeah, I was already in one band that made music I didnt really like, I dont want to be in another.

For the longest time Ive been wanting to be in a band with drums and a keyboard, but nobody I know has a keyboard. The kid that does only wants to playlike Styx and Abba and all this corny sh[size=2]i[/size]t, plus hes the same dickhead that plays guitar in this school band thing, so hes out. Id love to make cool post-rock chilled out ambient stuff.

What type of music do you make?

[QUOTE=Permanent Solution;14221000]:chug:

too bad so few others think like that or lonliness wouldn't even have to be a condition of that[/QUOTE]

You speak the truth.

This is the samet hing with that socialism thing I was talking about, it will never be effective unless a ton of people do it at once. If not you just look like a nut. We need mass understanding that the truth will set you free.

i'm in a metal band

but the music i make on my own is a lot more chill. it would be way nicer to be in a band that played the music that i usually feel like making and liked a lot of the stuff i do or we/e/e/e/e/e

[url]http://www.myspace.com/equusone[/url]

>_>

[QUOTE=cobert;14221018]You speak the truth.

This is the samet hing with that socialism thing I was talking about, it will never be effective unless a ton of people do it at once. If not you just look like a nut. We need mass understanding that the truth will set you free.[/QUOTE]

tbh socialism will never be effective above a local scale period. and in modern western society there's a high chance it will never be effective because there would be too much regression to extablish without force.

everyone's truth is different though. so one man's truth may set him free, but condemn all others. this is the problem with communities in fact.

yeah man, being in a band would be a lot less stressful if people actually liked the same music as me. Its retarded, they rely on me to make all of the songs and it doesnt sound like The Red Jumpsuit Apparatus so theyre all 'I HATE YOU WHY DO YOU SUCK SO MUCH?!??".

I just write generic metal riffs and they like them. I never really bother showing them anything good because I know they wouldn't like it.

Once I had a song written w/lyrics and everything and intended it to be some long epic skramz **** and they turned it into like a 3-4 minute slow song

lol

[QUOTE=Permanent Solution;14221048]tbh socialism will never be effective above a local scale period. and in modern western society there's a high chance it will never be effective because there would be too much regression to extablish without force.

everyone's truth is different though. so one man's truth may set him free, but condemn all others. this is the problem with communities in fact.[/QUOTE]

This is true, and very disappointing, because I think socialism is a great idea.

Elaborate on this truth thing.

Sometimes I'll be sitting with my guitar, picking numbers from a cup just to play chord progressions and osmtimes something would sound cool but they all suck in the end.

[QUOTE=Eliminator;14221059]I just write generic metal riffs and they like them. I never really bother showing them anything good because I know they wouldn't like it.

Once I had a song written w/lyrics and everything and intended it to be some long epic skramz **** and they turned it into like a 3-4 minute slow song

lol[/QUOTE]

:lol:

I tried writing an epic song, and they really liked it. The song would go from chill to skramz to chill with tons of little peaks back to big skramz at the end. They instead said my idea was stupid and we should take the loud part and make it a chorus. Like, I dont even bother showing them anything too good anymore for fear that theyll like it and want to use it. Same thing with my lyrics, I wrote tons of them but Im afraid that theyll like them then want to put them to the shi[size=2]t[/size]iest music possible and then the bands proabbly going to fall apart in a few months anyways, so Im saving them for when I find somebody else that likes hardcore.

the dudes in my band feel the need to put every song into a like intro/verse/chorus/bridge type deal and it's retarded . and the lyrics they write are mad lame. i don't even try wasting the stuff i write with them.

i've been meaning to quit for like half a year but i'm just too lazy and it's something to do

Just got in from another night of pond hockey. So much better, I can actually skate with speed now.

[QUOTE=cobert;14221067]This is true, and very disappointing, because I think socialism is a great idea.

Elaborate on this truth thing.[/QUOTE]

Well truth is merely a projection of one's mind onto the world and vice versa. Someone may view god as truth, another may view god as lies. Neither view is incorrect to the person who believes it to be truth. To believe in an objective truth is a very conceited notion because tbh even things we view as truths, such as laws of physics, are not viewed as the truth by all. Now as one gets into even more abstract idea, the truth gets even hairier. Capitalism or socialism? See there is no one truth, and so if I believe the truth is all humans need to be killed, I am not incorrect. And if that's what is needed to set me free, that's what's needed. However, in this case I would be drastically infringing upon many others' lives. Say the rest of the world believes taking a life is wrong though. They can't kill me to stop me from killing them.

The truth is so very abstract and impossible to actually formulate.

Eliminator is the Truth.

[QUOTE=Eliminator;14221103]the dudes in my band feel the need to put every song into a like intro/verse/chorus/bridge type deal and it's retarded . and the lyrics they write are mad lame. i don't even try wasting the stuff i write with them.

i've been meaning to quit for like half a year but i'm just too lazy and it's something to do[/QUOTE]

Dude I know, everybodies all about the regular rock structure and just using power chords. First off, im just not good at writing choruses, second off, have a verse/chorus thing set up just sounds cheesy. Its alright to return to a theme from earlier on in the song, but not just 8 bars apart from each other like people expect me to.

Exactly, I really dont feel like being a bitch and quitting, even though I might as well have since I dont even write music anymore for them.

Like Im forreal forreal scraping the bottom of the barrel with this trashy kid. Theres nobody else left, which is why im trying to get that 2 man band put together.




Sup matt.

[QUOTE=cobert;14221135]Sup matt.[/QUOTE]

Sore as f[U]u[/U]ck.:p Playing hockey for 3 and half hours prove to be painful. But it's so much fun. I wish my parents had of pressured me into playing hockey as a child, I would have loved it.

[QUOTE=Permanent Solution;14221129]Well truth is merely a projection of one's mind onto the world and vice versa. Someone may view god as truth, another may view god as lies. Neither view is incorrect to the person who believes it to be truth. To believe in an objective truth is a very conceited notion because tbh even things we view as truths, such as laws of physics, are not viewed as the truth by all. Now as one gets into even more abstract idea, the truth gets even hairier. Capitalism or socialism? See there is no one truth, and so if I believe the truth is all humans need to be killed, I am not incorrect. And if that's what is needed to set me free, that's what's needed. However, in this case I would be drastically infringing upon many others' lives. Say the rest of the world believes taking a life is wrong though. They can't kill me to stop me from killing them.

The truth is so very abstract and impossible to actually formulate.[/QUOTE]

I feels you, but im talking about straight up not saying things like 'My shoes are red' when theyre not. Like, not being a fu[size=2]c[/size]king weasel to get out of situations, because thats disgusting.

usually i have my guitar in some different tuning standard is boring. right now it's like GGCGBE or something i dunno but i like it and doing everything in standard or in drop d or in drop c (metttuhhhlll) gets kinda lame

right now i just sort of feel like playing music that's fun and upbeat and shi but isn't bullshit and shallow and cute is what we aim for

oshi i almost spilled a box of cheerios

[QUOTE=Pazz;14221147]Sore as f[U]u[/U]ck.:p Playing hockey for 3 and half hours prove to be painful. But it's so much fun. I wish my parents had of pressured me into playing hockey as a child, I would have loved it.[/QUOTE]

I dont even remember the last time I played hockey, its mad fun though.

I cant stand when dads pressure their kids to get into sports that they were never good at themselves, especially when their kids dont like them.

My favorite shirt is a hockey shirt from some team made up of kids from my school at a boys and girls club like 7 years ago. Its like this kid had a shirt on today that was from when our boys baseball team won a championship in like 1985, its awesome.

i used to play street hockey like every day when i was in 4th grade. and my brother played ice hockey for high shcool so i'd go and chill and watch and hang out at the arcade.

good times

[QUOTE=cobert;14221148]I feels you, but im talking about straight up not saying things like 'My shoes are red' when theyre not. Like, not being a fu[size=2]c[/size]king weasel to get out of situations, because thats disgusting.[/QUOTE]

I could tell you my shoes are red and put together a well formulated argument towards it quite easily. You're failing to account for the vast range of perceptions possible in humans. Why is red...red? What if someone is colorblind?

[QUOTE=Eliminator;14221154]usually i have my guitar in some different tuning standard is boring. right now it's like GGCGBE or something i dunno but i like it and doing everything in standard or in drop d or in drop c (metttuhhhlll) gets kinda lame

right now i just sort of feel like playing music that's fun and upbeat and shi but isn't bullpoop and shallow and cute is what we aim for

oshi i almost spilled a box of cheerios[/QUOTE]

Im thinking of taking a more upbeat music approach with this band since theyll probably like it a whole lot more. I still feel like to even do that well need more talented musicians, since its just me and my drummer making stuff and the bassist coming in and just hitting strings, even though we try sooooo hard to teach him it.

[QUOTE=cobert;14221160]I dont even remember the last time I played hockey, its mad fun though.

I cant stand when dads pressure their kids to get into sports that they were never good at themselves, especially when their kids dont like them.

My favorite shirt is a hockey shirt from some team made up of kids from my school at a boys and girls club like 7 years ago. Its like this kid had a shirt on today that was from when our boys baseball team won a championship in like 1985, its awesome.[/QUOTE]

I only ever played road hockey as a child. Then I realized I was in grade 7 and playing hockey with grade 4's and 5's lol. Then I made my way here briefly after that. Then I hadn't skated since grade 5 or something. So I pulled out my dad's old skates a couple of weeks ago and went and played a game of pond hockey. Tonight was the third time in two weeks or something. I went on Wednesday on our snowday. It's soo much fun.

[QUOTE=Permanent Solution;14221169]I could tell you my shoes are red and put together a well formulated argument towards it quite easily. You're failing to account for the vast range of perceptions possible in humans. Why is red...red? What if someone is colorblind?[/QUOTE]

Well I dont know what your shoes look like, so ill just believe you, hahaha.

If someone is colorblind, they dont realize it and they think red is what we see as another shade of grey, right?

And you can use common ideas and general perceptions as a base for telling the truth.

cobert you are fuschia

[QUOTE=cobert;14221194]Well I dont know what your shoes look like, so ill just believe you, hahaha.

If someone is colorblind, they dont realize it and they think red is what we see as another shade of grey, right?

And you can use common ideas and general perceptions as a base for telling the truth.[/QUOTE]

I'm colourblind, and it is very misinterpretted.

[QUOTE=cobert;14221194]Well I dont know what your shoes look like, so ill just believe you, hahaha.

If someone is colorblind, they dont realize it and they think red is what we see as another shade of grey, right?

And you can use common ideas and general perceptions as a base for telling the truth.[/QUOTE]
(My shoes are black, grey, and white, but I could still create a convincing and compelling argument as to why they are red.)

There are degrees of colorblind. For instance, I had a colorblind teacher who consistently called purple green, or something like that. Totally absurd, but I guarantee you it was the truth to him.

Common ideas and general perceptions are quite wrong in many cases. General perceptions in America would tell you capitalism is a great economic system. Is that true to you?

[size=5]no This Is America Land Of The Free Raaaah Red White And Blue Uncle Sam Monster Truck I Luv America[/size]

[QUOTE=Permanent Solution;14221215](My shoes are black, grey, and white, but I could still create a convincing and compelling argument as to why they are red.)

There are degrees of colorblind. For instance, I had a colorblind teacher who consistently called purple green, or something like that. Totally absurd, but I guarantee you it was the truth to him.

Common ideas and general perceptions are quite wrong in many cases. General perceptions in America would tell you capitalism is a great economic system. Is that true to you?[/QUOTE]

General perception in america is that everything we do is called democratic, even though were not even that, because people are uneducated and dont know what capitalism is. And im not big on capitalism, but I cant doa nything about it so whatever.

You cant see through your teachers eyes though. What if he saw purple just like us, and just learned it as green? You would both be true like you said, just language as a whole is decieving. Now if he learned green as green, and just saw a purple object as green, then there is no true color, but you cant see through his eyes, and it might be impossible for him to explain to you what he see because he doesnt know how you see it or understand it.

Its like some idiot kid tried telling me that deaf people could imagine themselves talking. I told him that they probably cant comprehend the idea of sound, and he said 'but its an instinct', to which i replied '...that they dont have', to which he retorted 'well i can imagine myself flying and i cant do it in real life' to which i interjected 'yeah, but you understand what flight is, imagine as if youve never seen anything leave the ground before' to which he hacked in 'but i did lol' and i said 'youre retarded'.

[QUOTE=Eliminator;14221232][size=5]no This Is America Land Of The Free Raaaah Red White And Blue Uncle Sam Monster Truck I Luv America[/size][/QUOTE]

I must be mad quoatable or something. At any given time I pop up in somebodies AIM profile, its goofy as dirt.

I Hate You Why Do You Suck So Much?!??

[QUOTE=cobert;14221288]General perception in america is that everything we do is called democratic, even though were not even that, because people are uneducated and dont know what capitalism is. And im not big on capitalism, but I cant doa nything about it so whatever.
[/quote]But uneducation dosen't preclude it being the truth. If you believe something is true, there's nothing to tell you it's not, even if you're just uneducated about it. All that means is the truth is an amorphic existence.[quote]
You cant see through your teachers eyes though. What if he saw purple just like us, and just learned it as green? You would both be true like you said, just language as a whole is decieving. Now if he learned green as green, and just saw a purple object as green, then there is no true color, but you cant see through his eyes, and it might be impossible for him to explain to you what he see because he doesnt know how you see it or understand it.
[/quote]Right, but how does that formulate an absolute truth?[quote]
Its like some idiot kid tried telling me that deaf people could imagine themselves talking. I told him that they probably cant comprehend the idea of sound, and he said 'but its an instinct', to which i replied '...that they dont have', to which he retorted 'well i can imagine myself flying and i cant do it in real life' to which i interjected 'yeah, but you understand what flight is, imagine as if youve never seen anything leave the ground before' to which he hacked in 'but i can' and i said 'youre retarded'.[/QUOTE]

Deaf people actually can imagine themselves talking to a degree, in fact. :) Their other senses are heightened and as a result can usually detect the vibrations present from sound and so they can imagine the vibrations they generate as they talk.

forreal forreal she wants on it

[QUOTE=Permanent Solution;14221324]But uneducation dosen't preclude it being the truth. If you believe something is true, there's nothing to tell you it's not, even if you're just uneducated about it. All that means is the truth is an amorphic existence.Right, but how does that formulate an absolute truth?

Deaf people actually can imagine themselves talking to a degree, in fact. :) Their other senses are heightened and as a result can usually detect the vibrations present from sound and so they can imagine the vibrations they generate as they talk.[/QUOTE]


Back up son, I think were agreeing here, there is no absolute truth. Im talking about truth in that if i said my shoes were red and they werent, you wouldnt say OH YOURE RIGHT YOUR SHOES COULD BE RED HERES WHY, you would probably think more along the lines of 'theyre pretty much just tan'. You cant get into some big argument over philosophy every time somebody lies to you, if you know what i mean.

But they cant imagine themselves making sound, right?

Even if they feel the vibrations, they dont know what it [i]sounds[/i] like, they know what sound [i]feels[/i] like though.

WHOAH 12:30 snuck up onme, im going to sleep now.

:wave:

Mad lame I just read like two pages of this wicked cool discussion and now no one is left.

i'm still up, but i didn't respond to cob because he was going to bed so meh :p

oic, it's because your account is so decieving with the little 'off' signal, when your actually on. And speaking of bad band members, my guitarist at the moment is absolutely locked in to the whole intro/verse/chorus/bridge stuff. No matter what I tell him "lets try 6/8, lets try something more progressive" he always wants to play slayer inspired stuff.

But anyway. I had a mad fun night last night.