So I'm looking around for another china. I currently have a 19" Paragon china, pretty dark. So, for this one, I'd like something brighter and trashier, but not too clangy (so, Wuhans are pretty much out).

I've so far checked out some Paiste Sig and 2002 Thin and regular Chinas, and I'm definitely liking the thin chinas from both lines.

Any other suggestions?

AAXtreme chinas

Paiste sig. thins.

[QUOTE=XMII;14867999]Paiste sig. thins.[/QUOTE]

Yeah.



I've tried the Zildjian chinas, and I didn't like them too much, for the most part. I'll try out the AAXtreme ones too. Anything else?

Paiste sig. thins.

I have the oriental. Love it. You tried that line?

[QUOTE=ant_182;14868376]I have the oriental. Love it. You tried that line?[/QUOTE]

Oriental classic china
Oriental china trash
A china high (the low is nice IMO but not quite so bright)

Budget
 

I don't really need cymbals to be found, I more or less need help on which ones to buy. I'm on a really tight budget and I was looking at either getting Sabian AA Metal-X Crash Pack, or The Sabian B8 Pack. And if you have suggestions on and alternatives to these that would be greatly appreciated as well :D

The types of music I play range from rock to metal, thanks in advance guys!

[B]Sabian AA Metal-X (free 10" splash)[/B]
[url]http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Sabian-AA-MetalX-Crash-Pack-with-AA-MetalX-Splash?sku=446538[/url]

[B]Sabian B8 (Free 10" Splash and Free 18" Medium Crash)[/B]
[url]http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Sabian-B8-Cymbal-Pack-with-Free-10-Splash-and-18-Crash?sku=447849[/url]

First: Sabian B8's are beginner's beginner cymbals: very low end just to start out. Sabian AA Metal-X's are considered pro-level cymbals.

Now these packs: The B8 pack has hats, three crashes, a ride and a splash. Lots of cymbals for pretty cheap.

The Metal-X pack has two crashes and a splash.

Generally in a setup you have one pair of hi-hats and that is essential. That is what you keep time on. Now a ride cymbal is completely optional, you keep time on it, but that's what the hi-hats are for as well. Now which one is "better" to play on? Well, that depends on the musical situation, the feel, or even if your left foot is occupied and therefore cannot operate the hi-hat pedal, but i'm not going into this further.

B8's are, in my mind, cymbals that are cheap so you can buy them and have something to play right away. Later they will be upgraded and discarded. If you buy 6 cymbals, that's a lot to be replaced. I don't know how seriously you are looking into drumming or if you are planning on pursuing this hobby your whole life, but you'd be better off getting cheap hats and a crash to hold you for a while, then add pro crashes/other cymbals later.

Now the AA Metal-X's: They are very unidimensional cymbals. Now that means that, although they do sound good in metal or heavy rock, they do not fit or blend with jazz, blues, or other genres of music. Not versatile at all.

These cymbals also sound very different, if you haven't heard them go to [url]http://www.sabian.com[/url] and listen to soundclips of them in the "Sound Check" page.

Now nearly every cymbal needs its own stand, so if you get the B8 pack, add $200-$300 worth of stands depending on the quality of them.
Any more questions, please ask as i will be happy to help you.

Thanks a lot man, I'll probably end up gettin the Metal-X's, I have been playing for quite some time on some really poor cymbals and I was just looking for an upgrade. But since I've never replaced my cymbals before I didn't know which ones to get. But since the Metal-X's are considered high quality I'll just invest in those rather than the beginner ones. And I've already replaced my hats with some old zildjian ones that a friend gave me, the have a nice sound to 'em so I bet I can wring a bit more life out of em. Anyway, thanks a lot man.

So my local drum store is having a sale on paiste dimentions. A heavy ride goes for 170 US. Is that good?

Pretty good. Generally i think of pro level rides going for $200 and up.

Speaking of rides, anyone have any experience with the 22" K Ride? I like the 20", but it sounds too similar to my K Hybrid, so I figured a bigger size would mean a bigger, slightly lower sound.

Berk has a K Heavy ride so he might have looked into the K ride and K Hybrids as well.

Give him a holla.

Yeah, the 24" Light Ride is going to be way too hard to control and on the wallet for me.

Steal it?

Then again it is a 24" cymbal so it would be hard to conceal that, but maybe if...

22" is darker and more metallic than the 20".

Yeah, that's what I'd like, a darker sound then the Hybrid. I really need to find some other sound clip then Zildjian's. Hopefully they'll have one in Chicago.

hey,

im looking for a match for my current A custom 18" crash. Im thinking of either going for a 19" A custom, another 18" A Custom, a 19" Avendis Med / Thin crash or an 18" Advendis Med/Thin crash ?

What do you guys think. I may treat myself to two of the above so please let me know what you think

Cheers

CJ

I personally wouldn't get two of the same exact crash. Maybe the same size but a different line like a Projection or a Fast?

yeah, im leaning more toward the 18 A Crash (Thin/Med) or the 19" version of it. Just hope that it will mix well with the A custom :eek:

Cheers

CJ

Hey,

I'm looking for a ride cymbal that has a nice ping to it and can be used to crash on when needed and will fit in nicely with heavy rock styled music.

I currently own a 20" Z Custom ride and hate it... Looking for something a fair bit lighter with more wash to it.

Cheers

[QUOTE=Junknut;14920210]Hey,

I'm looking for a ride cymbal that has a nice ping to it and can be used to crash on when needed and will fit in nicely with heavy rock styled music.

I currently own a 20" Z Custom ride and hate it... Looking for something a fair bit lighter with more wash to it.

Cheers[/QUOTE]

hmmm, pingy and crashable? Gonna be a hard to find combination. My 22" A Ping Ride is pingy but it sucks as a crash. Maybe the 20" might work better.

^ K Heavy Ride. Won't be super pingy, but certainly enough for rock music, with a nice crash sound.

When you said ping i thought a heavy ride, but when you said wash and crash i thought a thinner ride.

What are the sweet rides like? For some reason that came to my mind.

Sweet rides are all wash and no definition.

So just ugly.

Maybe an A Medium Ride.

[QUOTE=ludvista29;14921689]Maybe an A Medium Ride.[/QUOTE]

yes, and use nylon tip for additional pinginess.

Ouch, nylon tips suck, but it will probably help your pinginess.

[QUOTE=ludvista29;14921689]Maybe an A Medium Ride.[/QUOTE]

Mos Def.

hey,
i'm looking to upgrade my B8 ride. I don't have much of an idea about how size affects sound, but i would like a ride with clean,clear stick definition with a fairly bright sound. I play two bands, one playing grindcore and one indie(ish) band.
thanks for any help

Try them out!!! the Paiste 2002s are lovely, I would get a 22" or 20" :)

thanks man, i really would but i don't know a shop near me that i can try cymbals out at.I'm living pretty rural here :p
are the paiste soundclips worth listening to?

[QUOTE=gimp fest;14943450]thanks man, i really would but i don't know a shop near me that i can try cymbals out at.I'm living pretty rural here :p
are the paiste soundclips worth listening to?[/QUOTE]

Yes. Paiste are the only manufacturer I know of that aim for and achieve consistency within all their models in all their ranges.

right, thanks. any other rides i could look into?

Paiste 2002, Signature

Zildjian K/Custom

Sabian AAX/HHX/HH

Yes, Paiste soundclips are real accurate.

I'm getting a 2oo2 Heavy ride 20". I want a nice bright ping with lots of stick definition and little wash and the 2oo2 Heavy Ride pretty much fits the bill.

[QUOTE=Seafroggys;14920266]hmmm, pingy and crashable? Gonna be a hard to find combination. [/QUOTE]
Listen to these:

[url]http://users.telenet.be/cymbzdrumz/1_RECREATED_CUSTOM_CYMBALS/2_CRASHES_and_RIDES_18_inch_and_bigger/20_Heavy_Ride_2655gr.mp3[/url]
[IMG]http://users.telenet.be/cymbzdrumz/1_RECREATED_CUSTOM_CYMBALS/2_CRASHES_and_RIDES_18_inch_and_bigger/20_Heavy_Ride_2655gr.jpg[/IMG]




[url]http://users.telenet.be/cymbzdrumz/1_RECREATED_CUSTOM_CYMBALS/2_CRASHES_and_RIDES_18_inch_and_bigger/22_Dark_Heavy_Ride_3275gr_-from_Istanbul.mp3[/url]
[IMG]http://users.telenet.be/cymbzdrumz/1_RECREATED_CUSTOM_CYMBALS/2_CRASHES_and_RIDES_18_inch_and_bigger/22_Dark_Heavy_Ride_3275gr_-from_Istanbul.jpg[/IMG]



[url]http://users.telenet.be/cymbzdrumz/1_RECREATED_CUSTOM_CYMBALS/2_CRASHES_and_RIDES_18_inch_and_bigger/22_Dry_Ride_3165_gr.mp3[/url]
[IMG]http://users.telenet.be/cymbzdrumz/1_RECREATED_CUSTOM_CYMBALS/2_CRASHES_and_RIDES_18_inch_and_bigger/22_Dry_Ride_3165_gr.jpg[/IMG]



[url]http://users.telenet.be/cymbzdrumz/1_RECREATED_CUSTOM_CYMBALS/2_CRASHES_and_RIDES_18_inch_and_bigger/20_Dark_Heavy_Ride_2880_gr.mp3[/url]
[IMG]http://users.telenet.be/cymbzdrumz/1_RECREATED_CUSTOM_CYMBALS/2_CRASHES_and_RIDES_18_inch_and_bigger/20_Dark_Heavy_Ride_2880_gr.jpg[/IMG]

okay I just got hosed.