John played bass on The Long and Winding Road...it sucked, so they took it out and put in an orchestra

All songs are great, the only one i don't like that much is Penny Lane( i don't know why), Misery and Chains. I always been listening the beatles since i was a kid but sadly never got into them until like 10 years later when the only cd i had in my car was "1". I like all Beatles albums including the pre Rubber Soul era(Cool songs to play on guitar and sing), i dont think at all that pre-Beatles era was even close to be trash.

I also could not imagine how Pete would had feel or still feels(He alive?) after seeing what the Beatles became. But he should had move on. Dave Mustaine after Metallica moved on and went well with Megadeth.

If they were to make a Bealtes bio-pic, who do you guys think would make good actors to play the parts? Personally, I can't actually think of anybody, but I figure this might make some good conversation.

I have no idea.. I can't think of anybody either.

It'd have to be a bunch of unknown look alike and sound alikes. Guess you've never seen Legend (?) the John Lennon story its really good actually. Sad too, at least when his mother dies.

No, I've never seen that...was it just a T.V. special, or would I be able to find it on DVD somewhere?

I found it on DVD, I'll go find the proper name though. It didn't go past like 65 though it was mostly how they started and stuff. Defently worth a watch, lots of info in it too.

http://www.allmovie.com/cg/avg.dll?p=avg&sql=16:E|18307

I guess thats it but I thought it was different I've seen too many John Lennon movies to remember each :S

Wow that dude on the cover looks a lot like him. Is his acting any good?

Its good enough if I remember, I quiet liked the film. It stayed true to his life and they didn't true to make it more dramatic, I also learned some English when I watched it. I remember the exact scene when they are deciding what to call the band and John or Paul was like "how bout the Beetles, but spelt Beat because we play music", or what not. I always thought beatles was how you spelt beetles. Goes to show...

Yeah haha I've made that same mistake in the past too. Man I felt dumb. I think I was spelling Beetle for a Volkswagon Beetle and I spelt it Beatle, and my sister laughed at me. So I was like, what...isn't that how it's spelled? And she laughs and says no that's like the band...it's a play on words. I answered with a simple "oh," and may or may not have proceeded to hide in a corner.

[QUOTE=Nic__]Didn't John only know like 3 chords when he first joined the beatles. Also some more random facts-

*Paul played drums on Back in the USSR
*Paul played guitar on Taxman
*PAUL IS DEAD ZOMGWTF
*Pauls real name is James Paul Mccartney

Thats odd. I can't think of any other facts. They're all about paul :P[/QUOTE]

You didn't even mention that Paul is left handed!

[QUOTE=HighVoltageRockNRoll]You didn't even mention that Paul is left handed![/QUOTE]
Paul joined the band by playing the guitar upside down infront of John.
Pete Best was the original drummer, but their label didn't like him so he Was replaced by Richard Starkey (Ringo Starr).
I know too much about The Beatles for my own good.

[QUOTE=guitrguy]
Pete Best was the original drummer, but their label didn't like him so he Was replaced by Richard Starkey (Ringo Starr).
I know too much about The Beatles for my own good.[/QUOTE]

Umm, everybody knows that now, even those who didn't before. We actually were just having a big discussion about it a page or so back.:)

[QUOTE=leppermessiah]Umm, everybody knows that now, even those who didn't before. We actually were just having a big discussion about it a page or so back.:)[/QUOTE]
about what I posted two facts.
Did you all know that Ringo recieved the most fan mail when the beatles were together.

I did know that, and he's commited to answering every one of the letters.

"Hello, what's this? From Springfield, U.S.A...........GEAR!"

you guys heard everybody smoke pot by the melvins? it made me laugh with the beatles references

sorry if it has already been mentioned in this thread

So just to brag what stuff have you read/watched about the Beatles?

I've read 3 John Lennon life bio's, 1 John Lennon life after the Beatles, 3 John Lennon before the Beatles.
I've read 2 George Harrison life bio's and 1 life after Beatles bio, and one giant picture book biography that someone from Rolling Stone put together
I've read one Paul biography and I was done with him.
I've read 6-7 Beatles Biography's and about 2 early Beatles books and about 3 books that focused on all the members lifes after the Beatles.
Movies... I've seen about 4-5 John Lennon Bio's, and 2-3 documentarie's about the Beatles and around 2 Beatles movies that was about their careers.

I'm sure thats weak compared to some people, there are so many more books about them I should read.

[QUOTE=leppermessiah]I did know that, and he's commited to answering every one of the letters.

"Hello, what's this? From Springfield, U.S.A...........GEAR!"[/QUOTE]


Perhaps I will send him one

[QUOTE=Kaleidoscope Eyes]Perhaps I will send him one[/QUOTE]

He's especially fond of paintings.

My mum has a framed reply signed Ringo Starr. He has really sloppy handwriting, but i guess he was in a hurry. My mum sent him her pocket money. :(

Why is it when you say 'Guitarists of the 60s' people always say John Lennon? George Harrison and Paul were much better guitarists than John...

[QUOTE=Nic__]My mum has a framed reply signed Ringo Starr. He has really sloppy handwriting, but i guess he was in a hurry. My mum sent him her pocket money. :(

Why is it when you say 'Guitarists of the 60s' people always say John Lennon? George Harrison and Paul were much better guitarists than John...[/QUOTE]

Because he was the most well known member.

[QUOTE=Jacaranda]So just to brag what stuff have you read/watched about the Beatles?[/QUOTE]

I haven't actually read that much on any of them, I've just watched the Anthology dvds. It's not that I have nothing available to me, my dad owns 150+ Beatles books. He has over 50 on John alone. Next time I'm bored, or have any time at all, I'm gonna sit down and cut into those.

When I think guitarist of the 60s, I always think George, Clapton, Hendrix, and Townshend.

I think Clapton and Beck mostly. I tend to not think of the Beatles as individual members but rather as a whole.

I would consider John a great guitarist. Sure, maybe he's not great at playing the instrument, but he wrote some fantastic guitar songs. In my opinion, that's just as important

John was an effing hot songwriter, so that's probably why.

Yea John wasn't a great guitarist. I still like his solos on "The End" though.

[QUOTE=Carne Evil]I would consider John a great guitarist. Sure, maybe he's not great at playing the instrument, but he wrote some fantastic guitar songs. In my opinion, that's just as important[/QUOTE]

Yeah, but that still doesn't make him a great guitarist, just a great songwriter. When you look at it, he was one of the best pop craftsmen ever, but he didn't write magnificent pieces for the guitar. He probably composed some more intersesting work on the piano.

Incredible Songwriter? Yes. Great guitarist? Probably not. I think he plays a mean guitar, but he's not "really" good.

Lennon not a great guitar player? Ummmmm..... I dunno. Harrison stands out as playing lead tends to take over a song. That is, the lead melody is so up-front in structuring the song, one tends to hear mostly that. Rhythm guitar is more background and tends to get hidden by the drum beat and what's going on with the lead. However, take away the rhythm track and the song becomes flatter than a pancake without the eggs added to the batter.

Lennon used a lot of 'triplets' ( I think that's the proper term ), which is using two down strokes finished with an up/down stroke, in keeping the time for the song. If you listen carefully you can hear it -- especially in songs like 'I'll Cry Instead', 'Eight Days a Week', 'Run for Your Life', etc. The strokes are incredibly fast and you could set a metronome by them. Plus a lot were alternate bar chords played higher on the frets. You guys out there with the guitars, try stringing three or four or five of those together without breaking the rhythm. I do and am still trying to master it. It's not as easy as it sounds...:)

[QUOTE=bcf717]Lennon not a great guitar player? Ummmmm..... I dunno. Harrison stands out as playing lead tends to take over a song. That is, the lead melody is so up-front in structuring the song, one tends to hear mostly that. Rhythm guitar is more background and tends to get hidden by the drum beat and what's going on with the lead. However, take away the rhythm track and the song becomes flatter than a pancake without the eggs added to the batter.

Lennon used a lot of 'triplets' ( I think that's the proper term ), which is using two down strokes finished with an up/down stroke, in keeping the time for the song. If you listen carefully you can hear it -- especially in songs like 'I'll Cry Instead', 'Eight Days a Week', 'Run for Your Life', etc. The strokes are incredibly fast and you could set a metronome by them. Plus a lot were alternate bar chords played higher on the frets. You guys out there with the guitars, try stringing three or four or five of those together without breaking the rhythm. I do and am still trying to master it. It's not as easy as it sounds...:)[/QUOTE]

This still doesn't qulify him as a great guitarist. He just doesn't have the technical skill, nor the compositional talent to be considered 'great'. If you take the rythm parts out of many Beatles tunes, you'll just here Harrison playing the same thing. They doubled up on many early songs, if not all.

Welll... yes and no. with a tight band, the whole point is for the lead and rhythm players to build off of each other. Sometimes it blends so seamlessly it is hard to tell where one ends and the other begins. Compositionally, Lennon was exceptionally skilled in using whole chords plus their sevenths and fifths to create the melodies under the vocals. That is rare (even today) as many songs are vocal driven. That is, you could just strum 'G' for eight bars and let the vocal create the melody entirely. Most beatle songs are heavy on the vocal and harmonizing for the sound but, you'll find a lot of minor chord jumps accenting the vocal notes. An example would be keeping 'A' the main chord but adding an 'A7' or 'Am' (or both) in just the right place and timing to go with the vocals. I know it's common and basic in song writing, but Lennon did a lot of little 'lickies' in those fast paced songs that never got the acclaim of the lead parts. On the slow side as far as composition, give a re-listen to 'You've Got to Hide Your Love Away.' His little nuances are amazing in my humble opinion. :)

[QUOTE=Nic__]My mum has a framed reply signed Ringo Starr. He has really sloppy handwriting, but i guess he was in a hurry. My mum sent him her pocket money. :(

Why is it when you say 'Guitarists of the 60s' people always say John Lennon? George Harrison and Paul were much better guitarists than John...[/QUOTE]
I have never heard anyone ever say "John Lennon" in reference to guitarists of the 60's. Especially if you say "good guitarists of the 60's." But maybe I just hang out with weird people.

[QUOTE=DeusExMachina]I have never heard anyone ever say "John Lennon" in reference to guitarists of the 60's. Especially if you say "good guitarists of the 60's." But maybe I just hang out with weird people.[/QUOTE]

Yea I never hear people list John Lennon as one of the top guitarists in the 60's. He was a capable player but nothing excpetional.

I consider it an oversight.... Most those ' greatest lists' are mostly lead guitarists.....

I never said he was a top player, but George is always underappreciated. He plays some wierd chords. I always find (mostly among non-musician Beatles fans) that John is said first as a great guitar player of the 60s, but its probably cause he was the 'frontman' or something.

... wow that has never happened to me its almost always Paul in my case who gets credited for being a great guitar player, I just correct the person and hope they don't make any more dumb mistakes!

One of my favourite Beatles songs in terms of guitar playing is probably Till There Was You. It was probably their most "technical" song at that point in their career. Too bad they didn't write it.

Who did it originally?

It was written by Meredith Willson in 1957 for the Broadway Musical titled 'The Music Man.' It was made into an Oscar winning film in 1962.