[QUOTE=Brain Toad]Animal Liberation Front[/QUOTE]

Are they the people who throw paint on people (I see we're having the same conversation on two threads=P)?

[quote=coheneran]Are they the people who throw paint on people (I see we're having the same conversation on two threads=P)?[/quote]

Yes.

Them and the ELF (Earth Liberation Front) are both ecoterrorist organizations.

[QUOTE=Brain Toad]Animal Liberation Front[/QUOTE]
geez,even the name's stupid
i think ill spray something on my dickies jacket but i dont know what to do.

maybe I'll do "The Charlie Daniels Band" on the back since im listening to uneasy rider.

[QUOTE=Brain Toad]Yes.

Them and the ELF (Earth Liberation Front) are both ecoterrorist organizations.[/QUOTE]

Earth First! and Friends Of The Earth do much passive good for environmental and animal issues. However, have you tried looking at it from an ecowarrior's (sounds cooler) point of view? To them, the murder of an animal is no different than the murder of a human. Maybe they have connected with animals/nature on such a deep level that they have discovered a truth, or maybe they are psychopaths who found a "righteous" way to hurt people. Again, I do not advocate their violent actions, but I like to look at an argument from all sides.

[quote=sonicreducer]geez,even the name's stupid
i think ill spray something on my dickies jacket but i dont know what to do.

maybe I'll do "The Charlie Daniels Band" on the back since im listening to uneasy rider.[/quote]

I saw them live. Charlie is amazing when he plays that fiddle, went through about 50 bows when I saw him.

[quote=coheneran]Earth First! and Friends Of The Earth do much passive good for environmental and animal issues. However, have you tried looking at it from an ecowarrior's (sounds cooler) point of view? To them, the murder of an animal is no different than the murder of a human. Maybe they have connected with animals/nature on such a deep level that they have discovered a truth, or maybe they are psychopaths who found a "righteous" way to hurt people. Again, I do not advocate their violent actions, but I like to look at an argument from all sides.[/quote]

I'm sure some of them are in tune with nature that way and such, but I still don't think it justifies hurting another human because they may have been (directly or indirectly) involved in the hurting of an animal. Then you have stumped down to the level of the person hurting the animal.

[QUOTE=Brain Toad]I saw them live. Charlie is amazing when he plays that fiddle, went through about 50 bows when I saw him.



I'm sure some of them are in tune with nature that way and such, but I still don't think it justifies hurting another human because they may have been (directly or indirectly) involved in the hurting of an animal. Then you have stumped down to the level of the person hurting the animal.[/QUOTE]

True. However, if a person supporting capital punishment said what you just said, I would throw it back in their face like so much dropped ice cream.

[quote=coheneran]True. However, if a person supporting capital punishment said what you just said, I would throw it back in their face like so much dropped ice cream.[/quote]

I waiver on my opinion of capital punishment. In some ways, it's good and I want to see people who kill children etc dead. But in another light, the US is the only devloped nation with it, and its so barbaric.

The ALF is a group loosely made up of anyone who wishes to further the cause of animal liberation. There are no leaders and anyone who participates (independently of everyone else) can consider themselves a member.

It would be unfair to label everyone associated with the organization a terrorist as it is a pronounced non-violent group and all cells participate on their own. Of course the media has distorted the image of the group even if some members have used violent means to promote their cause.

All in all, contrary to what some think, the ALF is responsible for countless positive efforts in the political-activism of animal rights. If you still have doubts, think about currents events. Not all muslims are terrorists.

Edit: Most examples of the ALF's efforts includes saving animals that are in immediate danger (i.e. saving animals from labs or sabotaging hunts.

Well, look at it this way. Killing a man who kills is stooping down to his level, whether he killed babies, marines or animals. And it's proven to be inefficient statistically, but let's not get into the discussion.

Does this make sense:

Texas is the most conservative, Christian, right wing state in the union, none of which is very radical and yet they kill the most in the form of execution. It seems a little contradictory to me.

They are a vengeful people

[QUOTE=Culture Shock]The ALF is a group loosely made up of anyone who wishes to further the cause of animal liberation. There are no leaders and anyone who participates (independently of everyone else) can consider themselves a member.

It would be unfair to label everyone associated with the organization a terrorist as it is a pronounced non-violent group and all cells participate on their own. Of course the media has distorted the image of the group even if some members have used violent means to promote their cause.

All in all, contrary to what some think, the ALF is responsible for countless positive efforts in the political-activism of animal rights. If you still have doubts, think about currents events. Not all muslims are terrorists.[/QUOTE]

True. And I agree with you, but I like pointing out unexpressed points:
Not all Muslims are terrorists in the same way that not all environmentalists are ecoterrorists, but then again, not all Muslims are part of Al-Quaeda, whereas all ecoterrorists are ecoterrorists.
Now that's what I call REAL self-defeatist.

2.30 am. sleepy time. Thanks for the nice discussion.

[quote=Skrunnch]Does this make sense:

Texas is the most conservative, Christian, right wing state in the union, none of which is very radical and yet they kill the most in the form of execution. It seems a little contradictory to me.[/quote]

The United States as a whole is the most religious devloped country and the only devloped country with the death penalty, as a whole we are a contradictory nation.

[QUOTE=coheneran]True. And I agree with you, but I like pointing out unexpressed points:
Not all Muslims are terrorists in the same way that not all environmentalists are ecoterrorists, but then again, not all Muslims are part of Al-Quaeda, whereas all ecoterrorists are ecoterrorists.
Now that's what I call REAL self-defeatist.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, but the ALF is non-violent, so in effect, you can say anyone who is violent isn't a member. Either way, the purpose of my post was to point out that not all people associated with them are violent and do help animals.

[QUOTE=Culture Shock]Yeah, but the ALF is non-violent[/QUOTE]
You're kidding, right?

The ALF killed my father.

Oh sorry, i thought that this was the Politics forum for a second.

I need to finish my 7 Seconds shirt.

[QUOTE=Choking-Victim]You're kidding, right?[/QUOTE]

Read what has already been stated. You can also check out [url]http://www.animalliberationfront.com/ALFront/Activist%20Tips/ARActivFAQs.htm#faq89[/url] .

If my opinons or beliefs have already been expressed on a certain aspect above then I will not bother discussing it again.

They believe in non-violence, but they acheive it in often violent ways, such as destruction of property.

[QUOTE=Choking-Victim]They believe in non-violence, but they acheive it in often violent ways, such as destruction of property.[/QUOTE]

Breaking down a door to rescue a life in danger? I think that is most appropriate. Either way, there are worse hypocrisies similar to this dicussion (i.e. the police, the US military, et cetera).

Destruction of property is NOT violent. And it is not a bad thing. That is, it is not a bad thing if you are one of the majority of people who recognise the difference between a privately owned factory and a privately owned book. And there's a big difference.

Isn't there an activism thread for this now?

this thread has become sooooo spamed.

[QUOTE=holy_roller99]this thread has become sooooo spamed.[/QUOTE]

HEY! That post helped! Good work!

I finished my 7 Seconds shirt today, I'll post pictures when I can find batteries for our camera.

Indeed, there is.

I'd really like to make a shirt with [url=http://kehuelga.org/programas/sintiempo/imgs/data/media/4/Follow%20your%20leader.GIF]This[/url] on it, but having never done any kind of DIY stuff, I'd have no idea how to start.

[QUOTE=Crack-Rock-Steady]Indeed, there is.

I'd really like to make a shirt with [url=http://kehuelga.org/programas/sintiempo/imgs/data/media/4/Follow%20your%20leader.GIF]This[/url] on it, but having never done any kind of DIY stuff, I'd have no idea how to start.[/QUOTE]It could be tough to take a s[size=2]hi[/size]t with that on it.


Damn, you ninja edited.

Hahaha. I posted it and saw the ****'s and realized I forgot the 'r'. Sorry for the ninja edit. But anyway, what would I do to put it in [I]shirt[/I] form?

[QUOTE=Crack-Rock-Steady]Hahaha. I posted it and saw the ****'s and realized I forgot the 'r'. Sorry for the ninja edit. But anyway, what would I do to put it in [I]shirt[/I] form?[/QUOTE]Depends on the quality you want.

If you want semi-low quality you can t-shirt transfer it. If you want higher quality you could stencil it, which shouldn't be too difficult, and spray paint it or fabric paint it.

It's all about instant gratification vs. long lasting gratification.

And your art abilities if you suck at tracing and cutting.

Or you could support eracism and buy one like I did. That's these guys: [url]http://www.erace.com/[/url]

you need a special kind of clear sheet. you go on the computer and get rid of the spacer spots (any white spots that would show up when you print it) and put it on a screen printing rack. do you know anything a bout screenprinting?

I know nothing about screenprinting sorry. I'm looking for the best quality possible for someone who isn't very good at art.