A custom mastersounds are amazing. Search through the forums for a review of them, I posted one a while back :)

now that the HHX-cellerators are out (well, news to me) i'm gonna have to track down a pair and give em a shot.

I fell in love with HH bright hats...they're just so incredible sounding! I still can't get over how much I love them. Now all I need is like 300 dollars...

Anyone have experience with an HH medium ride?

I've used the K A and A Custom MAstersouds, the sound edges too! They're a lovely!!!


-Ant-

Hay Gice

Anyone got any thoughts on the Stagg Black Metal 18" Crash, or any of the Black Metal Crashes?

Trashy china, good for punk and metal. Cheers guys

Check out an 18" Zildjian Oriental China Trash. Great china.

[QUOTE=MeaninglessPhoto;14812131]Check out an 18" Zildjian Oriental China Trash. Great china.[/QUOTE]

QFT


-Ant-

My cymbal setup is as follows:

Zildjian 13" K hats
Zildjian 16" A crash
Zildjian 20" K ride
Turkish 22" Classic Jazz ride

It's a lovely combo at present, but I want to expand. I'm primarily searching for something of a bridge between the brighter A and the darker K/jazz sounds, though I love quirky cymbals that might seem out of place but end up working well... any ideas?

I feel like another, bigger crash (17-19") would make a good addition, but my concern is that the rides are quite dominating as it is. As such, I would also appreciate advice with regards to using a smaller crash (around 14-15") as well as any input into which may work better.

[QUOTE=Davio El Dwarfo;14813314]My cymbal setup is as follows:

Zildjian 13" K hats
Zildjian 16" A crash
Zildjian 20" K ride
Turkish 22" Classic Jazz ride

It's a lovely combo at present, but I want to expand. I'm primarily searching for something of a bridge between the brighter A and the darker K/jazz sounds, though I love quirky cymbals that might seem out of place but end up working well... any ideas?

I feel like another, bigger crash (17-19") would make a good addition, but my concern is that the rides are quite dominating as it is. As such, I would also appreciate advice with regards to using a smaller crash (around 14-15") as well as any input into which may work better.[/QUOTE]

k custom dark china 17 inch.

You might like an A fast Crash?
14 or 15.
Those Azuka Hand and Stick's are 15, it's pretty bright, maybe too bright.

[QUOTE=Tim;14813397]k custom dark china 17 inch.[/QUOTE]

I'm apprehensive about buying chinas. Don't they break fairly easily?

Not that it doesn't look like EXACTLY what I'm after. I've never broken/cracked a cymbal before, but it remains a concern as I slice fairly hard at times.

No more than other cymbals.

[QUOTE=Davio El Dwarfo;14813896]I'm apprehensive about buying chinas. Don't they break fairly easily?

Not that it doesn't look like EXACTLY what I'm after. I've never broken/cracked a cymbal before, but it remains a concern as I slice fairly hard at times.[/QUOTE]

If you put them upside down they're a lot easier to hit IMO and so less likely to break. But yeah, what phil said. Also, it depends a lot on the specific cymbal, how you hit them, etc.

A good bigger crash might be a 19" A as the larger sizes are darker... or perhaps a K dark crash medium thin, I love those cymbals though i think they only go up to 18" but you can check that.

im looking for a great 18-20 inch ride cymbal thats around 200 bucks. any suggestions?

[QUOTE=byrkee;14822677]im looking for a great 18-20 inch ride cymbal thats around 200 bucks. any suggestions?[/QUOTE]

Erm anything more specific? What sort of sound: bands/drummers you think have a good ride cymbal? Wet (i.e. lots of wash compared to stick definition) or dry (the opposite)? Bright (lots of high end frequencies) or dark/warm (more mids and lows)? What sort of music do you play?

etc

Then I will do my best to help :thumb:

well i like radioheads ride cymbal, thats all i can think of right now, but im into music from like glassjaw, the receiving end of sirens, to like muse and radiohead, stuff like that. i dont want anything real old, and i want it to have a light pretty sound, but also something i can hit hard and can sound loud and rock when it needs too. that help?

Hmm, not really, :lol:. I know something that fits that light sound be projecting when layed into, but it's about twice the amount you want to pay; 24" K Light Ride is amazing!

get two rides?


-Ant-

[QUOTE=byrkee;14825563]well i like radioheads ride cymbal, thats all i can think of right now, but im into music from like glassjaw, the receiving end of sirens, to like muse and radiohead, stuff like that. i dont want anything real old, and i want it to have a light pretty sound, but also something i can hit hard and can sound loud and rock when it needs too. that help?[/QUOTE]

hmm.. anything medium weighted would be ideal...and a decent bell.

Hand Hammered Classic ride. give that a shot.

Okay, found an old Paiste Cymbal last night, looked to be 14", with what looked like 'Forumla CO2' written on it, although it was hard to make out. The Paiste logo had a shooting star and a crescent moon on it, IIRC. Any ideas on the age of this cymbal?

Thanks guys.

Paiste formula 602?

VERY good cymbals :)

Ahh, that would make far more sense!

It's got a huge crack/chunk taken out of it though, which is a real shame.

ok well, whats one of the best sounding ride cymbals to yall for about 200$?

Hmm, probably the 20" Zildjian K Ride, not K Custom, just K. It may be a bit over the price range, but it's really worth it.

[QUOTE=byrkee;14825563]well i like radioheads ride cymbal, thats all i can think of right now, but im into music from like glassjaw, the receiving end of sirens, to like muse and radiohead, stuff like that. i dont want anything real old, and i want it to have a light pretty sound, but also something i can hit hard and can sound loud and rock when it needs too. that help?[/QUOTE]

Hmmm, some things you could consider:

Zildjian:

A medium ride
K heavy ride (perhaps)
A custom ride

Sabian:

AA medium ride
AAX stage ride

As for light as well as hard rock, that might be difficult with one cymbal, but a medium one like these might do the trick. There are other brands too just these are the two I know best.

[url]http://www.sabian.com[/url]
[url]http://www.zildjian.com[/url]

Both sites have things where you can listen to clips of what the cymbals sound like, which is useful but ultimately you need to go try them out before you buy.

I know the guy from muse uses a Zildjian K custom 22" ride but that's probs over $200 and maybe not much like radiohead's, though I'm not as the only disc of theirs that I have is The Bends. In fact they all might be over $200, I don't know USA/Aussie prices.

Look used. I got my 20" AAX dry ride for $120. It had just a few stick marks on it.

[QUOTE=Houdini;14836428]Look used. I got my 20" AAX dry ride for $120. It had just a few stick marks on it.[/QUOTE]

^^^ Actually yes that's a really good point... I got all my cymbals used, and they were something like half as much as new, and all in good condition. If they're not damaged when you buy them then they're probably likely to stay that way for a long long time as long as you hit them probably, but that's always the case.

So yeah, go used if you can! And be sure to try cymbals out first! Also, not all are exactly the same, depending on the sort, e.g. things like Sabian Hand Hammered, and Zildjian K/K custom do vary from one to the other a bit, whereas opther like As, AAs, etc, do not vary as much, but still best to try out the specific one first.

One way would be go to a big music store and see if you can try out cymbals, perhaps with a drumkit and your current other cymbals, and then keep your eyes open on the used market. I don't know what it is like where you live but there are people selling a lot of decent used gear if you search around.

thanks for the info i will check those but theres no places around here with that stuff and theres no place i can try them out first anyway

and wow that hand hammered ride sounds really good, but it looks diffrent on the sabian site than the site below.

edit:i just found this site with used cymbals, is it any good?
[url]http://www.uncleikes.com/index.html[/url]

[QUOTE=byrkee;14843092]thanks for the info i will check those but theres no places around here with that stuff and theres no place i can try them out first anyway

and wow that hand hammered ride sounds really good, but it looks diffrent on the sabian site than the site below.

edit:i just found this site with used cymbals, is it any good?
[url]http://www.uncleikes.com/index.html[/url][/QUOTE]

Um it looks alright, though tbh their used cymbals looked old or not great quality, but it's hard to tell, and as I'm from England I have no idea how the prices are. But with second hand gear it is ESSENTIAL that you check it out in person before you buy - there could be anything wrong with it, and there is usually no guarantee on it, at least not from the manufacturer. That said, if it's a reputable store then should be ok, but yeah.

i dont know if i want to take any risk of getting it used, so i think i will buy the HHC ride new for $319
unless anyone else has a good idea of the site?

I don't know what an HHC ride is, but you could try [url]www.musicgoround.com[/url]

[QUOTE=fishbulb;14850656]I don't know what an HHC ride is, but you could try [url]www.musicgoround.com[/url][/QUOTE]

oh come on, obviously it is HHX.

Right. I forgot that x was next to c.

HHC= hand hammered classic ride, and that website doesn't have it..

Would that be a sabian cymbal then?

So Im going to buy a sabian AA thin crash, and I am wondering with it being thin, what are the odds of it cracken? Im not to hard of a hitter.

Don't thicker cymbals have a better chance of being cracked because they cannot "bend" and resonate as much?

yup. Thicker cymbals like Rock Crashes have a higher chance of cracking than Thin cymbals.

Well, to an extent. Thin cymbals do break easier than, more example, medium thin or medium crashes, if you hit hard. If you have decent technique breaking shouldn't be a problem, but thin ones are thinner and so weaker. It's only with the really thick rock models and ranges e.g z custom that would crack more easily due to their weight.

e.g. people break splashes (which are v. thin) more than most other types of cymbal just cos they hit them too hard

But then breaking an A med thin crash won't barely break at all. In fact most won't.

So yeah an A thin crash's probably not gonna break as you don't hit hard and know how to hit a cymbal properly.