I feel even worse for Stu Stucliff. I mean, being dead and all.

[QUOTE=rockinbass17]I feel even worse for Stu Stucliff. I mean, being dead and all.[/QUOTE]

Ya, but he dosen't have to live everyday filled with regret and what could have been thoughts.

[QUOTE=leppermessiah]Why didn't you say that when I asked how Paul was scary?! That explains it completely![/QUOTE]Haha.. Well it didn't bother me, since I'm not a guy.

And yeah, it sucks for Pete Best.

[QUOTE=Seafroggys]well seeing as Cream sold more records in 24 months than the bible sold in 24 years, and that the Beatles are way bigger than Cream, I think statistics has to disagree ;)[/QUOTE]
That's because everyone already owns the bible. The bible is the best selling book of all time. So, if we want to look at a time frame argument, I'd say the bible is more popular. Statistically.

/is feeling argumentative.

welll.....bleh to you too

actually, about Pete Best, he wasn't a loner, in fact he was the sex symbol of the Beatles. many people were PISSED that they axed him, and it took people in Britain a long time (well after they were famous) to accept Ringo.

[QUOTE=rockinbass17]I feel even worse for Stu Stucliff. I mean, being dead and all.[/QUOTE]

Was Stu a nickname? Kind of like Mitch Mitchell?

No, his last name is sutcliffe, not stucliffe. Although it might still be a nickname, not sure.

Seafroggys, sorry, I was just messing around.

But yeah, lots of people were pissed Pete Best left. Like in that Simpsons parody.

[QUOTE=DeusExMachina]No, his last name is sutcliffe, not stucliffe. Although it might still be a nickname, not sure.

Seafroggys, sorry, I was just messing around.

But yeah, lots of people were pissed Pete Best left. Like in that Simpsons parody.[/QUOTE]

Oh, that's what I originally thought.

What did Best play? Did he have a solo career?

/asks more questions

He played drums but wasn't much of a drummer if I remember correctly. Or nothing wamzing

[QUOTE=bcf717]So, there is something important to personality dynamics when joining a band. There is definitely a lesson to learned here..... :)[/QUOTE]
Oh, definately. Being in a band is all about collaboration, compromise, and just generally being open. Having the musical skills of any of the Beatles probably wouldn't have amounted to sh[size=2]i[/size]t if they didn't know how to work with each other.

[QUOTE=Phallus Dei]He played drums but wasn't much of a drummer if I remember correctly. Or nothing wamzing[/QUOTE]

He was alright. I have a vinyl of The Beatles with Tony Sheridan, an incredibly early album, and the drumming isn't bad. Sure, it's not great, but he didn't suck.

Pete didn't 'suck' at drumming, but as George Martin pointed out, he was too one dimensional. He was more of a four beat drummer and had trouble working with more complex timings. In song covers like 'Anna' and 'Chains' he tended to still give the 'bam bam bam bam' treatment. Ringo had more finesse and worked well with the bounce that became the template for the 'Mersey Sound.'

Pete was a loner in the sense he didn't hang with the others for the all night carousing and bar hopping that happened after the shows. That type of hanging around was very important in maintaining your clique, especially for teenage boys -- which they were. Pete wasn't 'tight' with John and Paul in that sense and didn't try to get tighter while in the band. George wasn't 'tight' to begin with, but worked to 'tighten' his standings and it payed off handsomely. Yes, Pete was a chick magnet and the others showed jealousy which finally brought on the ax...... however, had he been part of the clique from the git-go,... perhaps that jealousy would have been overlooked (as it was between John and Paul through the years).

Yeah I feel sorry for Pete Best too. You can't really blame the Beatles for going along with Martin and replacing him, but If I was him I would've felt very betrayed.

It'd be funny if the Simpsons parody was 100% accurate and the Beatles' first meeting with Ringo was him on the floor of a bathroom stall looking for a toothpick. I could see Ringo doing that. :lol:

has anyone seen Caveman? I really want to see that movie

I've never seen it. I want to though but I can't find it anywhere.

Just thinking about how Pete Best must feel now makes me sick. There's nothing worse than being left out of something big.

NP: Norwegian Wood

There's two ways you can handle a situation like Pete's..... 1 - Carry on, find a new band and continue the pursuit of stardom, or 2 - Feel sorry for yourself and wallow in self pity, allowing the feelings to fester, making it easy to concede self defeat. Pete joined other bands after his release, but I think he lacked that 'drive' needed to go on to the top. After the Beatles got famous without him, many Brit bands made it big. The Beatles stardom actually made other Brit bands very desirable to record companies. The Stones, Kinks and even Gerry and the Pacemakers got signed, as after the Beatles proved that Brits could rock, the demand for more British bands escalated. So the opportunity was there.

John, Paul and George lived, ate, and breathed for the band. Their combination was the magic that started it all. However, if one of them had been axed before stardom, I'm sure the drive they had would have insured them stardom in another band one way or another.

Apparently the Beatles almost broke up after they got back from their first stint in Germany. They talk about it in the Anthology book. As I recall they weren't even in contact for a couple weeks after they got back home.

[QUOTE=TheDMV]Was Stu a nickname? Kind of like Mitch Mitchell?[/QUOTE]

His first name was Stuart

[QUOTE=MidnightRider]Just thinking about how Pete Best must feel now makes me sick. There's nothing worse than being left out of something big.

NP: Norwegian Wood[/QUOTE]
Yeah. That would be terrible. I also feel bad for Sutcliffe, on account of the whole dying thing.

The guy down the hall gave me a Yellow Submarine poster because it kept falling down. So technically this doesn't break my promise of not "buying" anymore Beatles posters.

[QUOTE=DeusExMachina]Yeah. That would be terrible. I also feel bad for Sutcliffe, on account of the whole dying thing.[/QUOT

Am I wrong or did Stu die of a brain hemmorage?

No your right. It was at an airport me thinks. But I dunno, the guy sucked at bass any way.

he was a good artist though....

I saw his artwork at the hall of fame back in '01

i'm only just getting into the beatles... my parents have always had their records but the needle has been broken for many a year so ive never listened to them.

can anyone give me a list of very awesome songs to check out before i get my needle fixed(its been way 2 long)

While My Guitar Gently Wheeps
Lovely Rita
A Day In the Life
Helter Skelter
I Am the Walrus
Fool on the Hill
She Came in Through the Bathroom Window
Maxwells Silver Hammer
Within Without You
Hey Jude
Baby Your a Rich Man
All You Need is Love
Rocks Off
Happy
Let It Bleed
Here, There and Everywhere
Got To Get You Into My Life
Think For Yourself
Nowhere Man
In My Life
Run For Your Life
Michelle
Dear Prudence
Blackbird

It's really hard to pick out individual songs, but I will reccomend the albums Rubber Soul and Abbey Road. You could always just go buy [I]1[/I], that's what first got me into The Beatles.

wtf are Stones songs doing in there?

thanks

The Beatles are the really the best group in the world. Paperback Writer and Lady Madonna are my favorite songs.

Jacandra I do not get you.

[QUOTE=Jacaranda]
Rocks Off
Happy
Let It Bleed[/QUOTE]

You didn't really think you'd get away with that did you? Still good songs though, and if you want to get into the [I]Stones[/I] I'd check those 3 out plus a lot more.

But for The Beatles, I'd just buy Rubber Soul. It got me into them.

[QUOTE=Laredo]i'm only just getting into the beatles... my parents have always had their records but the needle has been broken for many a year so ive never listened to them.

can anyone give me a list of very awesome songs to check out before i get my needle fixed(its been way 2 long)[/QUOTE]

Just listen to all of Revolver, and if you MUST single out some songs, try Taxman, Elenor Rigby, She Said She Said, Got To Get You Into My Life, and Tomorrow Never Knows.

Nice try Jacaranda. I would listen to those Stones songs just for the hell of it Laredo, really good stuff.

i have a new favourite band!
cheers guys

[QUOTE=Laredo]i have a new favourite band!
cheers guys[/QUOTE]
Yay for the Stones!
And if you by chance listened to any of those songs those are just the tip of the iceberg that are the Beatles. So many much amazing work, I'm not a big fan of pre-Rubber Soul so I didn't include any of that stuff, cause frankly I think its garbage for the most part.

... I'm sorry I couldn't resist guys... I just had to do that.

Didn't John only know like 3 chords when he first joined the beatles. Also some more random facts-

*Paul played drums on Back in the USSR
*Paul played guitar on Taxman
*PAUL IS DEAD ZOMGWTF
*Pauls real name is James Paul Mccartney

Thats odd. I can't think of any other facts. They're all about paul :P

i just found out i had rubber soul, sgt peppers and abbey road on my computer!! :O

but they were under my dads name so i never even looked there...

ohhh ive been missing out

[QUOTE=Nic__]Didn't John only know like 3 chords when he first joined the beatles. Also some more random facts-

*Paul played drums on Back in the USSR
*Paul played guitar on Taxman
*PAUL IS DEAD ZOMGWTF
*Pauls real name is James Paul Mccartney

Thats odd. I can't think of any other facts. They're all about paul :P[/QUOTE]

yeah we all know all that, sorry, nothing new :P

but he also played drums on Dear Prudance, AND Ballad of John and Yoko....

Well There are so many Beatle songs to choose from that I don't even want to get started on a huge list. I'll just tell you the first song that brought me into the Beatle Nation: Strawberry Fields Forever. Possibly my fav Beatle song of all time. Good luck.

[QUOTE=Laredo]i'm only just getting into the beatles... my parents have always had their records but the needle has been broken for many a year so ive never listened to them.

can anyone give me a list of very awesome songs to check out before i get my needle fixed(its been way 2 long)[/QUOTE]

Broken needles have silenced so many records in the past 15 years or so....they should start mass producing them again.