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It doesn't matter who you work with faggot. It's the music. It's also my opinon. If you want to say its wrong, prove it! I call them nu-metal because they came with that generation, and they sound similair to other bands that have been classed nu-etal.

Why do we need so many different genres of just metal?

[QUOTE=Det_Nosnip]I honestly believe that you slammed nu-metal a bit too much, although you did manage to sum up most of the misconceptions about the genre from main-line metalheads. :)

You mentioned System of a Down and Mudvayne as nu-metal, under the description "generally speaking the music structure is very simplistic. Lyrics cover subjects that are close to todays teens (depression, abuse, drugs etc)." "Vocals can range from the more metal influenced to a fusion of metal and rap."

This is simply not the case. You also put Godsmack under "traditional heavy metal," despite the fact that they're just as heavily imbedded in the nu-metal crowd, and I would in fact consider them one of the quinticential nu-metal bands. Note: I'm not trying to argue that SOAD and Mudvayne are not nu-metal.

SOAD's lyrics touch on a number of political and philosophical issues, and are actually quite deep...once you actually understand them. Alot of the true meaning behind the lyrics is at times superbly concealed, allowing for critics to easily pass it off as childish, stupid, and pointless. Alot of the lyrics are also rather vague and open to interpretation, with a good deal of Avant Guarde influences.

For example...from the song, "Know":
"I will never feed off the evergreen luster of your heart
all because we all live in the valley of the walls
when we speak we can peak from the windows of their mouths
to see the land the women chant as they fly up to the sun.

"Books all say different things while people flap their yellow wings
trying to soar by being a wholre of life and almost everything the
sheep that ran off from the herd may be dead but now's a bird able
to fly able to die able to **** your mother's earth"

Mudvayne is another terrific example of a band that is definetly classified as nu-metal yet meets very few of your criterion. Simple song structures and music? Not quite. Ryan Martini isn't exactly a bare-bones bass player, nor Matt Donahue an average drummer; and, as an example, 17/8 isn't exactly "common time." Sure, they don't take it to the level of Spastic Ink or Spiral Architect, but their music IS a good deal more complex than many other genres of metal.

I'm not going to sit here and defend every band classified as "nu-metal" that I happen to enjoy...that would take forever. Why? Because there is an immeasurable amount of information that can be mounted in defense of these artists, and I don't have that much time. Suffice it to say, while a good number of nu-metal artists aren't even worth bothering a listen, there are also plenty of bands that are doing some very interesting things with their instruments today, musicians who don't deserve to be passed off as they typically are by many metalheads.[/QUOTE]

I gotta say, nice work to this guy. i personally don't believe mudvayne are nu-metal. Chad was in fact quoted as calling them Math-Metal, though god knows why. Nu-metal always suggested to me a more youthy kind of genre, like Korn and Limp Bizkit, and MudVayNe seem more melodic and thoughtful than what nu-metal claims to be. Dunno what u copuld call them though. Also, slipknot are no way nu-metal, but a heavier kind of black metal. there's more of it, you know? it's a thicker, fuller sound that's way hard to explain. anyways, stay (sic)

[QUOTE=DrummerVin]That's really very good. Cant believe someone finally took the time to do it, there have been a lot of posts regarding this in the past week or so.

This definately needs to be stickied.[/QUOTE]
thank you. sum ppl really needed that list bcuz they were gettin on my nerves with I LOVE DEATH METAL and they dont know the meaning. thank you again..

new here///marie

[QUOTE=clearvision]Static X - nu metal

Van halen - hair/pop metal?

GnR - sureley they are a rock band?[/QUOTE]

GnR r definitely rock

[QUOTE=AC315]You forgot rap-metal, also called rapcore. POD and Linkin Park are definitely in that category, along with Limp Bizkit and maybe Papa Roach. Papa Roach is really in between nu and rap metal. I know this isn't a definitive list, but rapcore is one of the more popular subgenres and it should be on the list.[/QUOTE]

and Rage Against The Machine of course, u should be ashamed u forgot them

hmm...i mite b wrong, but isnt slipknot "industrial-metal"???

^You can be, and are, wrong. Slipknot are not industrial.

slipknot and industrial :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=nothing to gein]I gotta say, nice work to this guy. i personally don't believe mudvayne are nu-metal. Chad was in fact quoted as calling them Math-Metal, though god knows why. Nu-metal always suggested to me a more youthy kind of genre, like Korn and Limp Bizkit, and MudVayNe seem more melodic and thoughtful than what nu-metal claims to be. Dunno what u copuld call them though. Also, slipknot are no way nu-metal, but a heavier kind of black metal. there's more of it, you know? it's a thicker, fuller sound that's way hard to explain. anyways, stay (sic)[/QUOTE]

A heavier kind of Black Metal? Maybe you should take a look at the black metal description again. No matter what you say, Slipknot is Nu-metal/mallcore.

[QUOTE=Bartender]^You can be, and are, wrong. Slipknot are not industrial.[/QUOTE]

I love that movie, was watching it today actually.

Slipknot aren't nu-metal, because nu-metal is more like hard rock, not growling or anything like that, but faster and more thingo. Boomy or someything. it normally has a more bassier kind of distortion and stuff like that. that's what nu-metal really is, and that's definitely not slipknot. maybe they're industrial but i don't know what that is

Where would the hair metal fall into? Ya know, bands like Motley Crue, Poison, White Snake, Guns 'N Roses, etc. I wouldn't go with Traditional Metal but I suppose that's the closet on the list.

i've heard a lot about GROOVE METAL and ELECTRONIC METAL

what are these two sub-genres and how would you classify them? would bands like slipknot, devildriver and coal chamber fit into groove metal? would a band like strapping young lad fit into electronic metal?

[QUOTE=nothing to gein]I love that movie, was watching it today actually.[/QUOTE]

I was hoping someone would notice. Slipknot aren't industrial, but they're also definitely not black metal, and even more definitely a heavier kind of black metal.

SUPER PEER IS A FAGGOT. who agrees?

[QUOTE=Superpeer.is.a.faggot]SUPER PEER IS A FAGGOT. who agrees?[/QUOTE]

nope, not really

Respect. :cool:

go lick yourself, slut

There should be awards in this forum for biggest mod wannabe's. There's a first time for everything you know

[QUOTE=nothing to gein]Slipknot aren't nu-metal, because nu-metal is more like hard rock, not growling or anything like that, but faster and more thingo. Boomy or someything. it normally has a more bassier kind of distortion and stuff like that. that's what nu-metal really is, and that's definitely not slipknot. maybe they're industrial but i don't know what that is[/QUOTE]
slipknot [B]are[/B] nu metal !

Slipknot are categorized as nu metal because of their timing. They are "new" in that sense, and they have a DJ...but their sound is quite different from these other nu-metal bands ie Staind, Static X, whatever...

however they don't really fit into any typical metal categories like Power, Thrash, Death, anything like this.

Who thinks the new In Flames album, Sooundtrack to Your Escape, is nu-metal? I haven't heard the entire thing, but it seems basically like it. The guitar-less verses have really been bothering me, as well as the lack of guitar melodies that made The Jester Race so **** good.

[QUOTE=Sackonaise]Slipknot are categorized as nu metal because of their timing. They are "new" in that sense, and they have a DJ...but their sound is quite different from these other nu-metal bands ie Staind, Static X, whatever...

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staind are nu rock, and static x are industrial.

i love that :rolleyes:

Wow with my inaccuracy, you'd think I missed 21 pages of posts...

oh wait, I did.

I'm not too hot on the genres i guess :/

i missed most of the posts here too ;)

yo all metal is crap

[QUOTE=Sackonaise]Slipknot are categorized as nu metal because of their timing. They are "new" in that sense, and they have a DJ...but their sound is quite different from these other nu-metal bands ie Staind, Static X, whatever...
[/QUOTE]

Haven't you noticed that few of the bands categorised as nu-metal sound alike anyway?

Hmm...reminds me of the stuff Metal Reference used to have. Metal Reference died x.x

However, the creators ressurected the style in the form of "Antenna".

I have the url laying around in my bookmarks and when I find it, I'll give it to whoever wants it lol...They have some good interviews too.

What Would Strapping Young Lad Be?

Thats awsome. I dont think system of a down should be in nu-metal. What is emo??? I hear about it so much and dont have a clue what it is.

emo is short for emotional.......that's all i know

for an guide like this on pretty much every genre/sub-genre (including about 100 i'd never even heard of), visit [url]www.mp3.com[/url] and look at the left column titled 'Genre.' it's pretty useful..

(ps this is not meant as advertising but as there's loads of people asking 'what's that' and stuff i figure there's it's not a problem)

good job legions, im a noob and this has cleared up a lot about these confusing metal genres...

ok......lets all ignore the hippy's question then........

good thread. Sometime in the future it could be made bigger to encompass more subgenres

*suicides*

okay, im not really a fan of metal but i like the band every time i die, i dont know if its real metal or not. i dont care. what kind of metal would you consider them though

(p.s. if this has already been asked sorry, i dont feel like reading all of the posts)

i think they are metalcore..

[QUOTE=madeyadams]alright.. in a nutshell, Emo is one of the "cool" things to be right now. skater/punk/emo is the new prep right about now.

So, emo is basically stupid bands with names like, "water in the sky" or some ****, and they sing about cutting their wrists and breaking up with their girlfriend. they also like to wear converse shoes, dye their hair black, and make it look like they're trying to be different, but they aren't.

yeah, they're also obsessed with x's. like for a screen name of some sort.. XxXXtakingxbackXsundayXXxxxXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX .. and the x's continue on for forever.[/QUOTE]

People who know me know I don't like arguing, so, putting it nicely; bullsh[color=white]i[/color]t :)