[QUOTE=headbass]WHat About ME??

Have any tips for girls who like to scream. I haven't seen it done much, but i love to do it. WHen i do, My voice always gives, and cracks. My voice is low pitched, but when i try to do it like Breaking Benjamin, it doesn't sound right. I mean, I know he's a guy, and thats the difference, but whats a girl to do? :evil:[/QUOTE]
i have the same question. except my voice doesnt crack. when i scream i sound like geoff from thursday, except fuller. is there some sort of technique that i can use? because from what i thought, girls dont have falsetto. i do scream in all three of my bands at the moment (and play bass or guitar, not lead). ive been doing it for about six months, and after i have been screaming to a cd for about 45 minutes, i dont feel any pain or anything, so am i doing most things right?

[QUOTE=Jason101]I'm happy with my sound, and I'm pretty sure I'm doing things correctly (not getting any pain etc) - my one problem would be what I'm assuming is down to my lung capacity - I've got quite a large lung capacity (can hold my breath for approx 1min 30s) but for some reason I'm running out of breath very very quickly when screaming - I can make the "Die Young and Save Yourself" scream from Brand New's Sic Transit Gloria, but anything more than about 2 seconds long I seem to break up on.
I do seem to have a pretty loud scream (our drummer heard me crystal clear from upstairs on the other side of the building, and I wasn't using a mic) so could it be the fact that I'm getting too much volume that's killing the length of my scream?[/QUOTE]

your cords are acoustic instruments.
Play any acoustic instrument really hard and loud and its always the same. Overkill. youre just blowing. if you've got that kind of capacity you should be able to carry at least a 15 second scream. I've done a few around thirty or fourty. I had to get my lungs x rayed when i was young and the doctor remarked about how big my lungs were. but none the less, its about learning proper breath support. I cant really repeat much now cause its late

[QUOTE=headbass]WHat About ME??

Have any tips for girls who like to scream. I haven't seen it done much, but i love to do it. WHen i do, My voice always gives, and cracks. My voice is low pitched, but when i try to do it like Breaking Benjamin, it doesn't sound right. I mean, I know he's a guy, and thats the difference, but whats a girl to do? :evil:[/QUOTE]
There are no differences among the sexes other than the size of the larynx. hence no "adams apple" . but this means that if youre trying to sing a guys voice you might be over stressing your head voice because he might be in falsetto or mixed voice. and you might not be able to get down to a low enough falsetto get me? you just cant go so low in falsetto before you cords close and then its head. otherwise, all of the usual tips pertain to females as well.

[QUOTE=bloodclotsandblackholes]i have the same question. except my voice doesnt crack. when i scream i sound like geoff from thursday, except fuller. is there some sort of technique that i can use? because from what i thought, girls dont have falsetto. i do scream in all three of my bands at the moment (and play bass or guitar, not lead). ive been doing it for about six months, and after i have been screaming to a cd for about 45 minutes, i dont feel any pain or anything, so am i doing most things right?[/QUOTE]

see my other female reply above.

and falsetto is just when you open the cords to sing. babies have falsetto ...women do to. everyone does. now some teachers dont train falsetto, but you have it.

no pain, no affect to speaking voice....etc..... keep going! however you should always be looking for ways to go for balance ...unless youre just wanting to eventually get around to vocal discomfort. hey, you might already be well balanced.

Merkaba! I think I have a NEW question for you. Believe it or not.

Here be the link to the band: [url]http://www.purevolume.com/everytimeidie[/url]

Everytime I Die. His vocal style is more of a 'shout/scream' verses growl or falsetto scream. HOW does it do it without going mute after one show... (I saw them sunday btw... hehe... good show- zao, misery signals, everytime i die, dillinger escape plan).

But anyway... whats your input? There has to be a technique if he can do it every night and not throw his voice off.

[QUOTE=metaliq]Merkaba! I think I have a NEW question for you. Believe it or not.

Here be the link to the band: [url]http://www.purevolume.com/everytimeidie[/url]

Everytime I Die. His vocal style is more of a 'shout/scream' verses growl or falsetto scream. HOW does it do it without going mute after one show... (I saw them sunday btw... hehe... good show- zao, misery signals, everytime i die, dillinger escape plan).

But anyway... whats your input? There has to be a technique if he can do it every night and not throw his voice off.[/QUOTE]

I listened. And yes there is a technique.
Its the same thing. He's just adding rasp to his singing. While yes singing rather hard. But the key is to learn to not move the larynx...as minimal as possible. I dont know any other ways other than to practice isolation. If you havent really studied the cords, then you have to be your own judge. you have to be able to isolate the throat from the cords. some people just do it "naturally" ...some cant. you have to know the feeling of squeezing the cords, and the feeling of squeezing the throat. the two of which have to be seperated. you have to squeeze the cords in order to hold them together against the resistance of air....but you also have to slightely pull down the throat in order to get the rasp. slightely...too much and you hinder the airflow and thus create even more pressure on the cords. And of course proper support is key. These guys sound like they play in a low key, like B or something. so that makes it waaay easier. So to sum up...its just the same stuff i usually post. but it takes alot of strength....relative to normal singing...so if you cant do it, its something that takes time. but probably more technique than time. you have to learn to keep the larynx open. its just that simple.

Anyone know how to sing/scream/growl like Johnny Morrow? (Iron Monkey)
As far as I know, he screamed completely differently to anyone that was/is about. He's certainly worth checking out if you want to hear screaming, as his technique certainly appears to be original and rarely, if ever imitated.

got a link to a sample?

Alright, I've read this whole thread and I've tried doing things like Jay said, but I'm obvisouly doing something wrong because I keep straining my voice. I'm keeping my jaw and shoulders relaxed, and I'm pushing hard with my stomach, but I just can't seem to scream without hurting my throat. I'm trying to duplicate Brandan's scream from Bleeding Through (a good example of one of their sngs is "Love Lost in a Hail of Gunfire), but so far I've had no success.

My regular singing voice has improved alot using the techniques in this thread. Like I can sing louder and hold notes longer, but my scream just won't come out right.

Thanks for any advice.

You dont push hard with your stomach. Your lungs are always stronger than your cords! you support with your diaphragm yes, and sometimes you might want to squeeze it a bit but not alot. Alot of the stuff from earlier in this thread is not good as far as trying to teach a new person how to scream. Theres more to it than just pushing. Thats where you tear your cords up. You should be able to get any scream with no more than a 60 to 70 percent push. anything more than that comes with time and building strength.

Practice getting what you want with less push, not more. and remember that youre still trying to hit a note. practice hitting high notes in high head voice and high falsetto ,and again, you dont have to push all that hard especially in head voice. you want to push less, because the cords are thinner. too much of a push and your cords dont vibrate as much, they just flutter up and down more than making a wave across themselves which is where you get the sound from. And remember your cords lay horizontal across your adams apple. this helped me alot , i dont know how, but it gave me an idea of what it should feel like to isolate the cords. basically what most people are trying to do is rasp a high falsetto off the back of your throat.

A big key is to have support in your gut though, and it should slightly.....SLIGHTLY feel like youre pushing a grunt. The grunt feel is the pressure behind the cords, but you hold it enough so that its not blasting pass. Practice singing, then singing hard which is really not that much of a push either. When you scream you should feel like youre getting ready to hold any other note, you just pull the back of your throat down a bit to scrape the sound off. check out my Voicehelp hot line sticky if you havent already.

Hey Merkaba...

I've tried to do isolation... but when I hit my falsetto my adams apple goes pretty high... is that normal for falsetto or no?

And should my adam's apple sit about normal... or lower? Because I cant seem to do as well if I make it go below its normal position.

yea. it will rise in oder to close your throat....naturally...again your body knows that it cant get a high sound from a long thick larynx/cords. the thing is to realize the feel of it happening naturally and not under pressure and tense. Thats good. its good that you realize that. just dont push too hard...and continue to do it without trying to do it. while youre isolating all of your sounds may not come out good. its because the throat has to shift and move, but the key is to realize what it feels like to do it naturally and to have your mind on your cords only and not the throat...so it does it naturally. you can tuck your chin a little bit here and there, play around with that, in various degrees. not too extreme. but helps to keep the throat open while the larynx rises. play with that. and try to feel like youre opening back and up when you need to open up. not just opening your mouth, but the back of the throat, experiment with the throat muscles as you progress. as you do just sing normally and try to feel the differences. and continue to isolate until you know youre isolating without thinking about it as you form various sounds, consanants, and emotional faces.

and the apple will go lower for lower tones....and vice versa. its just physics. but you dont want it tensing as it does. thats the key. and playing with the throat a bit can help you get an edge on keeping it open. i put my tongue on my bottom lip alot, you dont want it pressing around that much either, and let your cheekbones rise like a snarling dog. just play around with the feelings and find if it helps you open up.

:thumb:

Many thanks, this is helping me more than you know.

I was hoping to get a 'Bleeding Through' kind of scream/growl, but after some experimentation I've found that I can get a 'Factory 81' type sound, except abit lower. Not quite what I was hoping for, but I think I finally found a style that I physically handle. Mind you, I do this with more of a 'whisper scream' thing, and although I've been playing with techinque and all, I still get a slight discomfort after doing it for a little while. I just hope that playing around to find what will work will not end up hurting me in any way.

If I can get my voice recorded I'll post it up so you can hear it.

Thanks.

Practice singing. I cant reiterate it enough. like i say. you cant run before you can walk. so to speak. you have to build a good platform for later construction. the foundation is the most important part of the house...etc, etc. hehe. trust me. its way easier to damage something by just over reaching to get a particular sound you may not be capable of just yet. be patient. practice going up in head voice. it works to strengthen the cords while being thin. which is what you need for higher falsetto stuff. and remember not to over push.

yes a sample would be cool.

be careful and be patient. how old are you anyways? If i've already asked, sue me! hehe

I have to agree with soundless.Vow. This is much more descriptive. Thanks bud. I'm trying to get a good scream going. I have an audition for a band a week from now. And they just want to see if I CAN scream if neccesary.But with the information im getting here im sure I can do that ****. I have a natural deep voice and that"SCREAMING 101" didnt help much for me. It was VERY tech, and not descriptive. With my singing abilities and this new information i know I can impress these guys.Once again. thanks man

I think i responded to another one of your posts in a different thread. Did you check out the voice samples in the hotline?....

[url]http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21991[/url]

[QUOTE=Merkaba-1]Practice singing. I cant reiterate it enough. like i say. you cant run before you can walk. so to speak. you have to build a good platform for later construction. the foundation is the most important part of the house...etc, etc. hehe. trust me. its way easier to damage something by just over reaching to get a particular sound you may not be capable of just yet. be patient. practice going up in head voice. it works to strengthen the cords while being thin. which is what you need for higher falsetto stuff. and remember not to over push.

yes a sample would be cool.

be careful and be patient. how old are you anyways? If i've already asked, sue me! hehe[/QUOTE]

I'm 20, soon to be 21.

When my allergies aren't acting up I have a fairly good singing voice, and I do get plenty of practice. Thanks for the tips.

Hey Merkaba, sorry I don't want to sound like and idiot if you've covered this already (I read all the other threads and from what I saw I couldn't fit this into any real style).
Anyways, I was wondering what Leftover Crack or the Casualties would fit into. Each have their own raw type of singing and screaming and I was wondering if this is a physical thing (ie. all the beer/pot/smoking they inhale), or is it just a certain style that is possible to achieve?
Thanks man,
Adrian

edit: oh and if it matters, I'm 16, deep voice though which only cracks/distorts with lots of pushing on my part..

its is most probably more of a yell than a scream

[QUOTE=osirisblind]Hey Merkaba, sorry I don't want to sound like and idiot if you've covered this already (I read all the other threads and from what I saw I couldn't fit this into any real style).
Anyways, I was wondering what Leftover Crack or the Casualties would fit into. Each have their own raw type of singing and screaming and I was wondering if this is a physical thing (ie. all the beer/pot/smoking they inhale), or is it just a certain style that is possible to achieve?
Thanks man,
Adrian

edit: oh and if it matters, I'm 16, deep voice though which only cracks/distorts with lots of pushing on my part..[/QUOTE]

well i've heard of them but Im not familiar with there songs or sound. But again, if it sounds like a raspy scream...its air off of the back of the throat. Thats all it can be unless they are just pushing so hard their cords flutter which is a no no. Otherwise they have to be a high pitch squeel maybe. In any event, you can be that you have to be able to make the note first. All screams just basically are the same except the amount of head voice thats used verses falsetto. And you can kinda mix the two which is a mixed voice, which i think Jay talked about a while back...power falsetto. you kinda get the best of both worlds. It depends on how much cord activatin you want. you basically do both at the same time. which is sing a falsetto note but add in the feeling of head voice. this takes practice but most people are already doing it anyways. I'll try to check them out. but in case i cant, do you have a link to any of their songs? You might could imagine me having to do this quite abit per these requests. wouldnt be that bad if i werent on dialup. plus im fighting some weird virus activity on here which makes my online experience less than desirable. hehe.

[url]http://www.purevolume.com/notapproved/unofficialleftovercrack[/url]

That site has a couple songs you can listen to just by clicking the name..
I just put the site up today so it may not be approved until tomorrow, or tonight..
Hope you get the chance to check it out.
Anyways, thanks a lot!
Adrian

I hate PV's streaming. it sux for us dialup folks. its not approved yet but I'll check it out.

thanks for the tips, I have ****ed up my voice afew times from screaming too loud. I'll try your tips when I get my new microphone.

S~C~R~E~A~M~! :amaze:

[QUOTE=wussrocker]S~C~R~E~A~M~! :amaze:[/QUOTE]

Welcome...Glad to see you went through the registration in order to come here and make that your first post. :rolleyes:

I actually wrote something with more input but when I sent it the **** thing didn't go through...I didn't copy what I wrote and it was late so i just tried it again and typed scream! glad you enjoyed my first post Merkaba.

I am actually intrested in learning. To let you know I have heard your samples and have read your lesson and am currently in the works of practicing my scream.

In fact to continue...I have been doing the car thing when I travel back and forth to work and home. I agree it's the best place! I am at the point where I can whisper scream if that makes any sense an oxymoron in fact. I am practicing pushing the air at the same time while messing with my throat muscles (Using the cheek bone smile thing). I can hear a tone that sounds like a scream if i were to increase the volume...maybe even if I were doing it in a mic.

BTW - this whole thread took me about 2 hours to read last night...good info...and awesome advice! I have learned that copy and paste can be your friend on these forums!

Hey guys...

I'm a first timer here in this forum (spend most of my days over with the other guitarists). I've been playing guitar for almost a year and a half now, and I just started getting into growling. So if you could give me a few tips on how to get better at stuff like Akerfelt's (Opeth) growling, I'd appreciate it. I find that I can growl like that pretty good, but only at low volumes. I don't know if this has already been asked or not, if so just give me a link... but I wasn't about to go through 23 pages lol

Thanks in advance for any help :thumb:

[QUOTE=wussrocker]In fact to continue...I have been doing the car thing when I travel back and forth to work and home. I agree it's the best place! I am at the point where I can whisper scream if that makes any sense an oxymoron in fact. I am practicing pushing the air at the same time while messing with my throat muscles (Using the cheek bone smile thing). I can hear a tone that sounds like a scream if i were to increase the volume...maybe even if I were doing it in a mic.

BTW - this whole thread took me about 2 hours to read last night...good info...and awesome advice! I have learned that copy and paste can be your friend on these forums![/QUOTE]

YOu will do yourself a BIG BIG BIG favor if you spend equal time singing the notes. I dont know if you do or not. spend lots of time singing. like as "true form" as you can, like operatic. I used to sing Sarah mclachlin and jewel...(sue me if you dont like em). Screaming is just a loud hard note with extra air. the extra air is like adding plates on the barbell in the gym. your cords have to be able to take the resitance. you can always do more if you get the blood flowing well first(warming up). When you scream youre trying to still get tone. that tone comes from the cords. singing will get them stronger with less irritation and chance of hurting something. plus it helps with strength and stamina, and can help with range. I think most teachers will tell you the same. But hey, you might be doing it already. Good luck, keep us posted. remember dont over push, and warm down. :wave:

3 years singing now. 2 1/2 years of incorrect method and 6 months of voice lessons! ~memories of humming and causing vibration in the head~

So yesterday while going home I started singing a song and then I tried boosting a note/word with a scream....the word Y~O~U~! :amaze: My volume went way down and the boost actually never happened as if I was doing a silent scream. It didn't hurt but it felt like I was resisting pushing out the air correctly. What am I doing wrong? What should I be doing? My guess is more practice...

NO pain at all in the past 2 weeks of practicing...is that normal...or does it mean I am using incorrect technique? I read in this thread that I should experince muscles pains if you have never screamed before during the first few weeks. Maybe it's because I am not really screaming high volume yet? I dunno please help me you experinced SCREAMERS!

hey merkaba, since my voice has been better for a long time now iv decided to start screaming again....now i just have a question.
Iv relised that the way i was screaming before may have sounded good but it was ruining my voice...so its most probably the wrong way of doing it.Iv found a new way of screaming an it sounds rad to me but i just wanted to know if this was the right way.
The way i do it now is more like going "HUH" then it closes off your throat or vocal chords (i dunno which one cause i know nothing about that sort of stuff) then i keep pushing an it comes out as a scream....this way i can do it at soft and medium volumes an i dont really have to push hard at all ....most of the time i pust at around 50-60%,i get no affect to my voice or i dont go hoarse. Sometimes it feels a bit irritating an makes me cough but it doesnt seem to hurt or ruin my voice.....so i just wana know if this is the right way of doing it?

well anything with an h opens the cords up a bit first. But i cant really telll what youre doing by you just saying here, but it seems like youre more likely to use mixed or falsetto "setting" when you do that. so if you try to carry that feel over into other words you can scream with any word. i must say it is easier to scream with an H. i think i posted this a while back actually. but yea, keep us posted. you know my mottos.

nah i dont mean i scream on a H, right now i can only do it on vowels an sometimes on some words. The HUH thing im talking about is like when you go HUH an tense your stomach muscles an then its like it stopping the sound coming out......if you know what i mean.....now im even confusing myself......awhile back when you posted your voice recordings you did it acouple of times in one of them.

Soon ill try get some recordings again but right now my computer is f-ed up

oh right , like the grunt feel in the sample. yea. now that was just to get the feel. over time you want their to be really no grunt, and you transfer that pressure over to a normal singing pressure and feel on the cords. but its good to get the feel of coming from the gut and the feel of the cords pressure.

cool, keep us posted.

Hey what about my questions O Great Merkaba...

i have a quesiton
 

does n e body know what types of singing/screaming the lead singer from atreyu uses? and also exactly what types corey taylor from slipknot and stone sour uses, like falsettos...etc. Lastly, the guy from Into Eternity, I would like to know how he sings/screams the way he does. I am in a band and I want to know how to sing/scream using the same type of styles or types as them. Also I want to know what I have to do in order to do this, like how to be able to sing/scream like that. If you have n e replys that would be much appreciated.

[QUOTE=Unrequited_Dream]does n e body know what types of singing/screaming the lead singer from atreyu uses? and also exactly what types corey taylor from slipknot and stone sour uses, like falsettos...etc. Lastly, the guy from Into Eternity, I would like to know how he sings/screams the way he does. I am in a band and I want to know how to sing/scream using the same type of styles or types as them. Also I want to know what I have to do in order to do this, like how to be able to sing/scream like that. If you have n e replys that would be much appreciated.[/QUOTE]

Check out the voicehelp hotline.

these screams are all the same. theres only one way to do it properly. corey taylor uses alot of just falsetto scream. falsetto is the high pitched airy voice when men try to sing like a girl. its all in the hotline. some screams are mixed voice which is your head voice or your "true voice" upper register. when you sing high but your cords are still closed.

All screams should start as a feeling of singing. YOu should feel like youre getting ready to sing the note first. then its a matter of pulling your throat down a little bit in the back, but not too much. just enough so the air reflects off of it, this gives you the distorted raspy staticky sound. It does not and should never come from your cords. You should be able to get a raspy note with very little effort.

most importantly. practice singing more than screaming until you get it down. any note that is screamed is still a note. and all screamers are really singing a note with alot of effort and throat. you have to learn to isolate the throat muscles from the cord muslces...a road block for many...this way you can contract the cords, keep the larynx low and relaxed, and still pull down in the back of the throat. sounds like a lot but you've done it before. people try to do it with effort and get caught up in tension and overthinking.

be sure to read my voicehelp hotline through. its a bit of material, but its worth it. and read what others say in that thread too, the questions people ask and the stuff we all reply with. its well worth it...cause if you practice incorrectly you will damage your cords and at best have temporary loss. at best. and thats not serving you well. Best wishes.

[QUOTE=Merkaba-1]YOu will do yourself a BIG BIG BIG favor if you spend equal time singing the notes.[/QUOTE]

Okay I have been doing this...trying to sing the notes and then pushing a scream when neccasary. Doing this I can now actually start getting out of a whisper...just a little bit but I can hear it...is that normal?

[QUOTE=Merkaba-1]Screaming is just a loud hard note with extra air. the extra air is like adding plates on the barbell in the gym.[/QUOTE]

Is it true then you should start with the little plates? and then start adding the bigger plates as you can handle it then?

[QUOTE=Merkaba-1]Good luck, keep us posted. remember dont over push, and warm down. :wave:[/QUOTE]

Is there a good thread on what you mean by warm down?

Again thanks for your help with this!

^ well if youre trying to eventually bench 400 lbs, and all you can do now is 200...you cant slam 370 on tomorrow! right. hehe

And Im sure in the voicehelp hotline there is some stuff about warming down. I gotta get to work...but in general start on your highest falsetto note and slide down in a continuous sound, to your lowest note. do all the vowels a few times and then do EE's at a normal pitch and normal push for a few minutes. if your voice is more shot. warm down more. it helps to return your cords to their normal shape and helps to prevent so much stiffness and swelling, and thus mucous.

Hey Merkaba-1
Ok so the purevolume attempt I made backfired and it never worked.. here is a link to a soundclick that has the songs on them.. please listen to STI or Atheist Anthem.. [url]http://www.soundclick.com/bands/3/blacklistmusic.htm[/url]
(STI has a rather large soundclip at the start that lasts for 55 seconds or so..)
Thanks a lot!