post it, or YOusendit or something so others can listen and chime in. I'm not God, Dont want to be, and don't get paid. I'll be happy to see IF....IF I can hear anything that might help but I'm not trying to be a know it all. I dont do any one on one stuff from this site. I think it opens a door that I'll have trouble closing, if only because I tend to want to help too many people too much. Most people post up a short sample. And while here and there you'll find a smart a[I]s[/I]s, but usually everyone will help out, though some will be more ....uh...direct than others. But hey, you just joined, and its the internet, sea of anonymity.

But if you cant anytime sson...How do you know that youre doing it wrong? Pain, lack of stamina, sound,..whats up?

Hi!

Im a lead singer for a band in which I scream the entire time...the only problem is I feel sore when im done screaming. Im aware that I am doing it the wrong way and I have stopped momentarilly...now my only problem is I dont feel like ordering/buying the Mellissa Cross DVD (which many people have recomended me) so can I have some excersizes to do that can help me not hurt my voice but sound like Angella Gossow from Arch Enemy (I may be a dude but she is one HELL of a singer)

[url]http://www.melissacross.com[/url]

this is wear i look for my singing questions

They have vocal solutions (which are kind of like vocal tutorials), a Video you can order online that shows excercises, etc. (The Zen of Screaming), and you can contact the melissacross crew for any vocal questions. You will get a reply within atleast 48 hours, and yes, they do help you when you email them. I find them useful, you guys should try it

Any advice on attempting to sing either Rush or Coheed and Cambria without simply being born with that voice. I mean I can do it falsetto but not with the killer tone. Or should I not even try lol

[QUOTE=Merkaba]...How do you know that youre doing it wrong? Pain, lack of stamina, sound,..whats up?[/QUOTE]

Well, my throat gets a bit sore after doing it for a while, but i think that would always happen unless you build up the stamina of your throat. Its not painful enough for me to complain, and it doesnt effect my normal singing/talking voice, its just kinda annoying.

i would also like to know if this is a matter of doing it right or wrong.....or doing it right but badly, and just practcing and getting better at it?

[url]http://media.putfile.com/Quick-test-scream[/url]

this is the first time ive uploaded something like this, so please tell me if ive done anything wrong.

And also, bear with me on the scream. i only started a couple days ago, and with your hekp merkaba, so i really appreciate it.

I need help yelling. I'll call it yelling, that kind that Dave Grohl (Foo Fighters) or Jonathan Davis (Korn) can do. Then screaming referring to what they do in scraemo or metal where sometimes the words are vague. Anyways the yelling, THAT hurts my throat, the raspy voice thing, but screaming and growling like any screamo or metal stuff doesn't really hurt my throat. What's my problem here? What can I do to yell without damage and in key like normal breathing excrecises other than just keep on yelling with my door closed and sounging psycho?

[QUOTE=IanB]Hi!

Im a lead singer for a band in which I scream the entire time...the only problem is I feel sore when im done screaming. Im aware that I am doing it the wrong way and I have stopped momentarilly...now my only problem is I dont feel like ordering/buying the Mellissa Cross DVD (which many people have recomended me) so can I have some excersizes to do that can help me not hurt my voice but sound like Angella Gossow from Arch Enemy (I may be a dude but she is one HELL of a singer)[/QUOTE]
1. THe average male is Baritone
2. The average female is alto
3. a baritone trying to sing like an alto will be challenging for even an advanced operatic singer.
4. 30 bucks is not alot of money.
5. Check out the voice help hotline.

Hey, I started singing for my band about 2 - 3 months ago (no lessons or anything). I sing stuff like LTJ, Jimmy Eat World etc, it's fine at the start but like halfway through the song I find I lose it a bit, maybe it's out of my range? I dunno. Sometimes it's ok, sometimes it's hard I dunno. You see I dont want to sing it in a lower voice because I can't project it like that, sounds much better when it's higher, I just can't keep it going for ages without it taking its toll on my throat, maybe I should try some of these exercises people do with their necks and stuff...

this may have been asked before, but every time me and my band practise my throat hurts for days after wards, whether i have been singing or screaming.
how can i learn to warm up my voice before using it?
i would appreciate any advise, thanks

[URL="http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=219911"]voicehelp hotline[/URL]

thanks so much!

It's probably been asked before but this is the scenario that has come up for me...

I fired my singer becuase he has stopped showing up to practice for a while. I was thinking maybe I should give singing a shot, but I don't know how confident I am in my abilities. I have to sing in music theory class and I usually do pretty well hitting the pitches. My band is a Power Metal band and I think hitting pitches is only going to be half the game to good vocals in that sort of setting. I'm going to need to learn how to have a good voice, maybe get into doing vibrato, and I don't even know where to start. Anyone have any tips?

I Need Serious Help!!!
 

Ok, so I'm the screamer in my band thats just getting started. I'm sure you've prolly talkabout this stuff a thousand times in this post but thats alot of readin for a college kid! lol. I need some serious help with my screaming though. I was practicing tonight and my voice was getting soar, not unexpected for 1 not warming up and going ****ing insane and not knowing the proper way to scream. But then halfway through practice my back started killing me everytime i screamed. Like my kidneys were going to burst!!! This i know is a huge problem so I did some searching and this site came up! If you guys could some up the jist of what I should do and what serious things im doing wrong i would love to know!!! We got a gig coming up and i don't wanna die before or during it!! My band has a pure volume site where you can hear my attempts at screaming. Worst Love song don't listen to cuz thats not how i really scream. If you listen to the chorus of stiletto to the heart you'll hear me. [url]www.purevolume.com/armsofanother[/url]
I really need help cuz our gig is coming soon!!!! So a summary and a bunch of pointers will really help!!! THANKS!!!

could be very very possible that you pulled a muscle in your back or an intercostal connective muscle underneath. You really dont need much push when doing ANY type of vocal sound. You should be able to do ANY vocal sound with 50% of your push. Sorry, but anything worth having is worth working for. So this is the best summary I'm willing to give before bedtime. .. --->[url]http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=219911[/url]

Hey Merk,

I've noticed that ever sense I've started doing punk vocals, I can't hardcore scream like I used to. When I try, it doesn't as good as it used to, and even that only lasted for about 2 minutes. Back when singing and hardcore was all I did, I could scream for about 30 minutes straight.. now I'm going faint after a minute and a half. Is this because of the punk vocals? If so, how can I do punk vocals "correctly" so I don't damage my voice further? Right now I'm just doing the whole yelling, and don't give a **** kind of thing.. what should I be doing? And also, how can I get my hardcore voice back? Cause my bands wants me to do punk type stuff, but scream too. [Kinda like leftover crack kinda stuff.] Thanks much.

[QUOTE=wkd]Hey Merk,

I've noticed that ever sense I've started doing punk vocals, I can't hardcore scream like I used to. When I try, it doesn't as good as it used to, and even that only lasted for about 2 minutes. Back when singing and hardcore was all I did, I could scream for about 30 minutes straight.. now I'm going faint after a minute and a half. Is this because of the punk vocals? If so, how can I do punk vocals "correctly" so I don't damage my voice further? Right now I'm just doing the whole yelling, and don't give a **** kind of thing.. what should I be doing? And also, how can I get my hardcore voice back? Cause my bands wants me to do punk type stuff, but scream too. [Kinda like leftover crack kinda stuff.] Thanks much.[/QUOTE]
I dont know cause I'm not into punk, but I'm thinking that most of it is usually full voice or close, with more tension placed on the cords to achieve a somewhat cleaner sound, relatively that is, to the usually raspy hardcore stuff. If you try to use this same amount of tension with hardcore raspy I think that will be detrimental to your stamina and general cord movement. I would say you should try to do some falsetto singing and barely rasp it so that you can get into a less tense larynx position. Maybe try to sing a hardcore song without rasp, but in falsetto if its high enough. Basically I'm thinking youre probably trying to sing in the wrong register, trying to stretch your chest voice up into head voice territory due to the previous punk head voice. Just my hunch. There's really no way of telling. Its not like there are any technical aspects to discuss about hardcore or punk. They can be so unorthodoxed to begin with.

[quote]I have a simple issue. I would like to make my voice project better and be more powerful. I have an alright singing voice but have problems projecting. This is pretty odd because back before my voice broke I sung for a Queen's Chapel and pretty much filled the place with my voice which was just naturally powerful. Now, I'd really like to try and make it that good again.

Is it just practice or do certain exercises help?[/quote]

I'm going to restate my question as noone's answered it.

Im working a Metallica styled voice. I have the rasp and stuff sounding okay i guess. Is there any precautions that I need to take. I can scream Metallica style fine and my voice feels normal afterwords. Just do proper warmups or should I do some extra stuff?

[QUOTE=deathscreamingsheep]I'm going to restate my question as noone's answered it.[/QUOTE]Voice broke? What do you mean? You may need to see a specialist as you may have some damage.

Heh... no I just mean back when I was about 14 and was a treble I had a stupidly powerful voice (and I mean stupidly powerful). Now nearly four years on my cracking teenage voice has completely settled and I'm looking to retrain to sing for my band. But now I seem to have hardly any power at all.

[QUOTE=Subete]Anyone know how to death growl like mikael from opeth? I can try and do it, but i run out of breath on the sustained screams and i can't get my voice low enough or as clear as he does. Is their a technique for death growling?[/QUOTE]
I'm interested in this, too. Does anyone know an answer?
This doesnt sound like falsetto at all.

[QUOTE=deathscreamingsheep]Heh... no I just mean back when I was about 14 and was a treble I had a stupidly powerful voice (and I mean stupidly powerful). Now nearly four years on my cracking teenage voice has completely settled and I'm looking to retrain to sing for my band. But now I seem to have hardly any power at all.[/QUOTE]
Oh thats just puberty and the growth spurt. It makes your larynx grow as well...which will make your sound system get a bit deeper, ala the typical "becoming a male" thing when the voice starts to deepen and change. Not much you can do about it. Actually there's absolutely nothing you can do. Your register will change because your setup changes. But that change can end up making you stronger, especially if you were strong to begin with. You could be trying things in the wrong voice/register. You might not be able to hit the same notes and this could be limiiting you with tension if you try to hit the same ones with the same punch. You may have just incorrect techniques now from trying to accomodate for the changes.

[QUOTE=GrandMagus]I'm interested in this, too. Does anyone know an answer?
This doesnt sound like falsetto at all.[/QUOTE]
Can anyone post a sample? I'm not familiar, right off the bat. But from what I remember its just a real throaty rasp probably in head or lower. Probably not falsetto. Probably blocked off so much that its more like a pressurized grunt, like youre taking a hard dump, with pressure from the diaphragm like crazy. The key is to being able to build up the pressure behind the closed cords false cords right before you activate them for sound, all the while keeping the throat relaxed. (Though it is best to do them at the same time, which in such a screaming nature would take some time and strength.) I'll hold off anymore comments to I hear a sample. I'm on dialup usually so, just a sample, not a whole song. (unless I ask for it later after liking it alot!)

Cookie monster vocals the easy way?....
 

is their a way to use electronics effects such as distortion pedals commonly used by guitarist to filter my voice to have cookie monster vocals (a voice like cradle of filth; intelligible amount of scream in voice).

Thanks for your reply in advance :wave:

Gr3g

Hi everyone.
Until a few weeks ago i had great problems singing through the break area between chest/head voice and falsetto. (I don't really get the difference between chest and head voice. But i can live well with that lack of knowledge ;) )
I got around this problem with tons of portamentoes every morning and relaxing and that stuff. Mark Baxter's book "The Rock'n'Roll singers survival manual" helped me a lot with this.

But, who wants a song only consisting of vowels??? :)
When it comes to singing [U]with lyrics[/U] there is a problem left: When i sing words that contain a "g" or "k" (like in "goal" or "ketchup") my larynx moves up for these consonants.

Question: Is that normal?

This disturbs my tone when singing in my weak area between the registers. However, when singing at very low volume this works ok. So I think problems will go away with yet a little more training.

But, can (and should) I keep the larynx from moving with g and k?
If yes, how?

I don't know that much but from what I know your larynx should be stable even when you're going to higher registers, and I don't think it's normal for it to rise when you're pronouncing consonants (at least mine doesn't). The difference between chest voice and head voice is that head voice is simply higher (your vocal cords zip up to at least 1/2 of their original length and therefore produce higher notes). When your voice breaks it's because your simple stretching your vocal chords to reach higher notes instead of zipping them up.

As for a way to prevent your larynx from moving, I only know some exercises to hold your larynx in the same position when you go into higher register, I dunno if that should help you with the consonants thing; I'm not qualified to answer this question.

Try to exercise your voice on vowels that encourage the larynx to stay rested. Gug and Goog are good to use to keep it down. Just do 5 tone scales on those vowels and keep your finger rested on your larynx to monitor its rising. It's ok for it to move a bit; its impossible to keep it from ever moving. But if its so high up that your throat is closing up or like your problem of pronouncing certain consonants its a problem.

Also, sometimes speaking or even singing in a voice like Yogi Bear works too. I know that sounds retarded but its taught by vocal coach Roger Love and it works real well for some people so its worth a try. It worked for me

[QUOTE=GrandMagus]Hi everyone.
Until a few weeks ago i had great problems singing through the break area between chest/head voice and falsetto. (I don't really get the difference between chest and head voice. But i can live well with that lack of knowledge ;) )
I got around this problem with tons of portamentoes every morning and relaxing and that stuff. Mark Baxter's book "The Rock'n'Roll singers survival manual" helped me a lot with this.

But, who wants a song only consisting of vowels??? :)
When it comes to singing [U]with lyrics[/U] there is a problem left: When i sing words that contain a "g" or "k" (like in "goal" or "ketchup") my larynx moves up for these consonants.

Question: Is that normal?

This disturbs my tone when singing in my weak area between the registers. However, when singing at very low volume this works ok. So I think problems will go away with yet a little more training.

But, can (and should) I keep the larynx from moving with g and k?
If yes, how?[/QUOTE]
Thats just a textbook example of tension and not being able to isolate the throat from the cords. No Consonant should make your larynx rise.

Head voice is just your true voice, in your highest range. The cords are thinner and the sound has more of a ring to it. No big deal...just your higher end before falsetto.

You can do operatic sounding practice with lower Oh's, Oohs, and Ahs. When youre really low I know you can keep your larynx low, so pay attention to the feel, and try to relax as much as possible. But yes, the larynx will rise a bit but it shouldnt jump up and lock up high like in swallowing. And remember that the cords are horizontal and stretching horizontally. This really helped me understand more of how to keep my larynx down. Feel more of opening up and back......kinda.

I heard slippery elm really helps comfort your throat during sing. Has anyone tried this? and does it work?

Please tell me and if it does work, can someone say when to consume it? Like once a week? Or before every show?

i know smoking is bad for your voice but how bad is it when your excersising and doing excersise and warm-ups everyday? I have a couple friends who were wondering this

[QUOTE=Merkaba]----snip----
But yes, the larynx will rise a bit but it shouldnt jump up and lock up high like in swallowing.
----snip----[/QUOTE]
Thanks Merkaba!
I just decided to define these words the key phrase of your post. ;)
I mean.... I'm talking about lets say 0.5 cm. (uhm... i guess thats about 1/5 inch)
And my larynx does not lock up. It comes down again just after the "explosive" g/k sound.

[QUOTE=Screamin_Demon_Auz]----snip----
Also, sometimes speaking or even singing in a voice like Yogi Bear works too.
----snip----[/QUOTE]
Interesting hint.
Anyone got an idea where to download a Yogi bear sample in English language? You're talking about the English language version, aren't you?