I agree, there certainly isn't anything special about Disposition. But then again, it's really just part one of a one song when you think about it.

[QUOTE=Kage]No flaming from me, because I mostly agree with you. I think there are some challenging things though besides the drumming, including guitar and bass. Granted, it's not extremely difficult, but that's not the purpose either. Adam Jones has some of my favorite all-time riffs and solos to his repetiore, purely for the sound, feel, and emotion he has in his playing.

Maynard, I love his singing style and he's a great lyricist, but he's not a singer that is just absolutely incredible in terms of technical skill. He's able to keep good and accessible melodies on top of the non-catchy and often tricky rhythmic playing from the band, which gets major props from me.

As far as "sour" notes go, I think imperfections are a cool feature of any band. Tool's sound isn't overly produced, it doesn't sound like it's coming from a $2 PC mic, but the guitars and bass have that raw bite to them.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I probably shouldn't have said "nothing besides the drums", because there are truly strokes of genius within all the members of Tool.

Moving on to a new subject, Mer de Noms. I really liked it, but it sounded a bit watered down, probably because of the song formula in most of their songs. I guess my main issue is originality. Does anyone agree with me or am I missing somthing about the band?

[QUOTE=In Chains 36]I agree, there certainly isn't anything special about Disposition. But then again, it's really just part one of a one song when you think about it.[/QUOTE]

Well, I was actually talking about Tool in general.

I don't know, I find them to have a really unique sound. Maybe originality is slightly lacking, but I guess unique sound and originality are pretty different. I really like the lyrics and the sound of APC, though, and if they lack anything in originality it is more than made up for by that, not to mention the emotion of the songs.

I also like the abundance of two different guitar parts on every song.

[QUOTE=letmypeopleho]
Moving on to a new subject, Mer de Noms. I really liked it, but it sounded a bit watered down, probably because of the song formula in most of their songs. I guess my main issue is originality. Does anyone agree with me or am I missing somthing about the band?[/QUOTE]

Give 13th step a listen or 2... I truly love that album. :)

Whew, I have been spared. I actually wouldn't been surprised if I got banned for saying that. Maynard is a god on this forum.

[QUOTE=Darkness Of Greed]Give 13th step a listen or 2... I truly love that album. :)[/QUOTE]
Everyone I've talked to said Mer de Noms is better, but I'll definately give 13th Step a listen. I've heard Emotive and I didn't like it that much.

[QUOTE=letmypeopleho]Whew, I have been spared. I actually wouldn't been surprised if I got banned for saying that. Maynard is a god on this forum.[/QUOTE]

If Maynard left Tool, I think Tool could carry on without him. It wouldnt be the same, but My favorite people in the band are the ones playing guitar bass and drums.....

I can't remember who said it, but they said it best when they said "The second half of Mer De Noms is much weaker than the first."

[QUOTE=Darkness Of Greed]Give 13th step a listen or 2... I truly love that album. :)[/QUOTE]

13th step is different but it is a good record. Vanishing is one of my favs, so is The Noose.

[QUOTE=r0und3r]If Maynard left Tool, I think Tool could carry on without him. It wouldnt be the same, but My favorite people in the band are the ones playing guitar bass and drums.....[/QUOTE]

It wouldn't keep together. They have much more to do than Tool, and keeping it together would just get to much in the way of everything else.

[QUOTE=Sliptallica]I can't remember who said it, but they said it best when they said "The second half of Mer De Noms is much weaker than the first."[/QUOTE]

Wow, that actually explains alot. I subconsciously noticed that my first listen.

[QUOTE=adams9168]Umm.. Tool would DEFINATELY not be the same. Without Maynard's vocals.. all they got is some talented dudes playing instruments. Don't get me wrong, that's still pretty good.. but the vocals are a big part of what makes Tool, Tool.[/QUOTE]

They could get someone with a similar vocal style.

This gives me an idea.

If you could replace Maynard with any singer, who would it be? Maynard would still write the lyrics.

My vote goes to Chad Grey. I think his clean voice would mix perfectly on a song like Reflection for example, and he could do Ticks and Leeches better.

[QUOTE=adams9168]They couldn't replace him. I don't think anyone sounds like Maynard. He's got such a fuc[b][i][/b][/i]king amazing voice.[/QUOTE]

I'm just asking a question? Who would you pick to replace him if you had to?

And there are actually alot of people that have similar vocal styles to MJK.

[QUOTE=adams9168]Who?[/QUOTE]

I think Akerfeldt, at times, does. His clean voice.

[QUOTE=adams9168]Who?[/QUOTE]

Mike patton could do it. Hes got a different voice, but a kick *** one.

Yes it would suck if maynard left. But I would still listen to the other members of Tool if they went on without him. Vocals arent a "big" part of the music, just 1/4 of it.

Im listening to Bleak from Opeth right now, that guy could do it. I dont know his name, as long as he didnt growl, his singing voice is supurb.

His vocals are a huge part, but Danny and Adam have proven that they can do a lot without Maynard. Triad live was fvcking mindblowing.

[QUOTE=Sliptallica]I can't remember who said it, but they said it best when they said "The second half of Mer De Noms is much weaker than the first."[/QUOTE]

I said that at one point, but I'm sure other people have as well. It seems to be the general consesus.

As for Maynard leaving Tool, I must protest. I think every single member is an integral part of their sound, and I'd be quite distressed if they tried to continue despite the loss of one of their members.

Tool is not Tool without Maynard, Adam, Danny and Justin. Period.

[QUOTE=r0und3r]Mike patton could do it. Hes got a different voice, but a kick *** one.

Yes it would suck if maynard left. But I would still listen to the other members of Tool if they went on without him. Vocals arent a "big" part of the music, just 1/4 of it.

Im listening to Bleak from Opeth right now, that guy could do it. I dont know his name, as long as he didnt growl, his singing voice is supurb.[/QUOTE]
Mikael Akerfeldt is his name.

To anyone sayin I wouldn't replace him, I'm not saying would you replace him, I'm saying if you had to pick someone who would it be.

[QUOTE=The JoZ]Tool is not Tool without Maynard, Adam, Danny and Justin. Period.[/QUOTE]
What band put Opiate and Undertow out then?

[QUOTE=letmypeopleho]What band put Opiate and Undertow out then?[/QUOTE]

I don't know, but I didn't know it had such smartass fans.

Man, how ironic.

Edit: That was a joke. I just couldn't refrain from saying it.

[QUOTE=adams9168]Who?[/QUOTE]
Lots of people that I know. I go to an Arts school and alot of the vocal majors are quite good.

I think the members of Tool could go on without Maynard, but as a completely seperate entity and having no association with Tool.

[QUOTE=Kage]I think the members of Tool could go on without Maynard, but as a completely seperate entity and having no association with Tool.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I think they'd pull an Audioslave. Maybe change their name and start making kick *** music, but music that sounds much different.

[QUOTE=Sliptallica]I don't know, but I didn't know it had such smartass fans.

Man, how ironic.

Edit: That was a joke. I just couldn't refrain from saying it.[/QUOTE]
:lol: :lol: :lol: I got a good laugh out of that one.

I'd just like to know what vocalist, if any, could fill the shoes of MJK.

Akerfeldt could pull it out. No growls though.

I know Paul D'Amour was with them before, but Tool now would not be the same without Justin in the band.

[QUOTE=In Chains 36]Akerfeldt could pull it out. No growls though.[/QUOTE]

exactly.

and :lol: about the opiate undertow thing

I think all Tool fans should recognize that the first person to leave the current lineup would probably be maynard.

I already mentioned Chad Grey as my first pick.

Akerfeldt's singing voices is a bit too conservative I think.

[QUOTE=The JoZ]I know Paul D'Amour was with them before, but Tool now would not be the same without Justin in the band.[/QUOTE]

I agree, I was just giving you chit.

[QUOTE=letmypeopleho]I'd just like to know what vocalist, if any, could fill the shoes of MJK.[/QUOTE]

As far as filling the shoes of MJK as his role in Tool, the answer is: no one.

[QUOTE=letmypeopleho]I'd just like to know what vocalist, if any, could fill the shoes of MJK.[/QUOTE]
taht dood from apc.

[QUOTE=The JoZ]I know Paul D'Amour was with them before, but Tool now would not be the same without Justin in the band.[/QUOTE]

That's true, but they could go on, Undertow and opiate being just as good as the new (IMO) ones, I think the band could go forward somehow.

[QUOTE=BlindWriting]taht dood from apc.[/QUOTE]

:lol:

[QUOTE=Kage]As far as filling the shoes of MJK as his role in Tool, the answer is: no one.[/QUOTE]
Truth. He's responsible for A LOT more than just singing.

Since he apparantly wants to sing like Maynard, Pete from Chevelle could replace him, if needed.

Well, he's an awful song-writer and when he tries screaming, it only comes out as obnoxious yelling.

[QUOTE=The JoZ]Since he apparantly wants to sing like Maynard, Pete from Chevelle could replace him, if needed.[/QUOTE]

Hadn't thought of that but I agree with Kage on his song-writing. The voice is very similar, though.