k christsimpson is now on my ignore list also

i wonder if i can add myself to the ignore list...

if you're too good a poster for everyone here why don't you just **** off

[QUOTE=christsimpson;17699335]Liberalism is just a stupid misused term thrown around without any real meaning behind it. but all the ideologies, philosophies and theories that have ever been associated with "Liberalism" are authoritarian and Capitalist.[/QUOTE]

true but thats not what people mean when they say "liberal" in american politics

its been this way for about 70 years or so over here.

liberal = democrat/left
conservative = republican/right

i know its been flip-flopped from its original meaning, but you can't deny that this is how its used

oh yeah in the US I'm sure. it's still blatantly wrong as ****. stupid people will also use call pointless Jew bashing "Nazism" or chaos "Anarchism", throwing around different terms they have no clue as to what they really mean. this doesn't make it correct though. not at all. just more stupid.


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also are you arguing that democrats are left and republicans right and that Communism is akin to the democrats/that the democrats are Communists? if so: I am intrigued. a lot.

[QUOTE=christsimpson;17699504]oh yeah in the US I'm sure. it's still blatantly wrong as ****. stupid people will also use call pointless Jew bashing "Nazism" or chaos "Anarchism", throwing around different terms they have no clue as to what they really mean. this doesn't make it correct though. not at all. just more stupid.


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also are you arguing that democrats are left and republicans right and that Communism is akin to the democrats/that the democrats are Communists? if so: I am intrigued. a lot.[/QUOTE]

of course theyre technically bastardizing the term, but its just easiest to use these words under the context of american politics.

also, you're thinking of the left-right spectrum as a linear, horizontal spectrum. i view it more of a non-linear, vertical and horizontal continuum. while communists and american democrats are both left (given the context of american politics) and do have some convergence points in ideology, they arent the same, or even linearly connected.

[IMG]http://i50.tinypic.com/fkr61k.jpg[/IMG]

left/right scale is just used for easier classification. That is to say, an ideology who is left has more in common with other 'left' ideologies than 'right' ones. This doesn't mean all left ideologies are the same.

Liberalism is only vaguely related to communism, even in the American sense of the word.

and for good measure SOCIALISM RULZ \m/

socialism does ruleeeee

and lol this is what it looks like when i read this thread

http://i46.tinypic.com/mrwrae.jpg

:lol:

oral roberts RIP man

[QUOTE=christsimpson;17699443]if you're too good a poster for everyone here why don't you just **** off[/QUOTE]

@cbmartinez

Dunno why he would ignore me, probably what I said about Jersey. Pretty lame tbh.

Honestly, I think Integrity is pretty lame.

Where did that come from?

I don't really like them either.

http://www.myspace.com/therightbrothers

best new pop-punk

right?

http://www.myspace.com/hicaliber

also this

[quote=christsimpson;17699335]Liberalism is just a stupid misused term thrown around without any real meaning behind it. but all the ideologies, philosophies and theories that have ever been associated with "Liberalism" [B]are authoritarian and Capitalist.[/B][/quote]
This is where you start explaining yourself.





P.S. you guys Socialism in most forms fails and creates weak civilizations js

p.s. nuh uh

Libertarian socialism, for sure

Libertarian socialism is where it's at.

Ron Paul went to my high school.

i wonder how many peoples ignore list im on

i seem to regularly still slightly annoy people so im not sure its very many

and why do people argue with indietrash jeeze

[QUOTE=Mr. Ron;17700247]This is where you start explaining yourself.





P.S. you guys Socialism in most forms fails and creates weak civilizations js[/QUOTE]

what's to explain? it's authoritarian and Capitalist. this isn't exactly up for argument or whatever.

by socialism I guess you mean State "Socialism", and yes it fails. at least it fails hard at being socialist, for one.

[QUOTE=iamrockzorz;17700101]Honestly, I think Integrity is pretty lame.[/QUOTE]

u crazy lol

Ignore lists are dumb. I just don't respond to people's posts.

An ignore list seems awfully "authoritarian and Capitalist" tbh. That ain't punx.

:lol:

[quote=whitesquares]This message is hidden because whitesquares is on your ignore list. [/quote]

how you like THEM apples

libertarianism has its merits, but also an equal or greater amount of shortcomings or paradoxes where it simply will not work. ron paul is a ****ing idiot though

[QUOTE=cbmartinez;17700548]how you like THEM apples

libertarianism has its merits, but also an equal or greater amount of shortcomings or paradoxes where it simply will not work. ron paul is a ****ing idiot though[/QUOTE]

i don't know enough about libertarianism to say something on it but ron paul is a toolbag.

[QUOTE=iamrockzorz;17700101]Honestly, I think Integrity is pretty lame.[/QUOTE]

out of left field and i don't understand it.

[QUOTE=whiteminority;17700563]ron paul is a toolbag.[/QUOTE]

as well as authoritarian and Capitalist and consequently the opposite of Libertarian.

i decided to view that post but you do realize i have you on ignore?

ron paul is a toolbag because he wants to take away the natural born citizen right so as to combat illegals coming to america to have children born US Citizens, which is *** backwards and retarded.

[QUOTE=iamrockzorz;17700301]
Ron Paul went to my high school.[/QUOTE]

And Dennis Miller.

I just ****ed up a stupid math final, aka got a D on it probably. No matter waht ****ing math class I'm in I get a C. Last fall I was in calc 2 and got a C and I downgraded to stupid algebra 2 and still got a C, I don't get it.

edit: i win in high school celebs, i got billy mays.

If you took Calc 2 why would you take Algebra 2? That seems pointless because you already have to know Alg 2 to even get to Calc 1.

im all for the red and black flag, anarcho-communist.

[quote=christsimpson;17700330]what's to explain? it's authoritarian and Capitalist. this isn't exactly up for argument or whatever.

by socialism I guess you mean State "Socialism", and yes it fails. at least it fails hard at being socialist, for one.[/quote]
No, you need to explain how Liberalism is "authoritarian" or even inherently capitalist. You need to back up your statements with evidence.


Wait are you a proponent of some sort of anarcho-socialism or some other pipe dream?



[quote=flesh;17700630]im all for the red and black flag, anarcho-communist.[/quote]
Ah yes, as we can see from history that Communism has worked out very well when coupled with human nature!

Dude he's European. :lol:

[QUOTE=whiteminority;17700618]If you took Calc 2 why would you take Algebra 2? That seems pointless because you already have to know Alg 2 to even get to Calc 1.[/QUOTE]

Maybe for the easy credits. I took a college calc class after taking calc in high school and it was 10x easier. Even calc 2 was easier.

The libertarian party is retarded. Libertarianism is alright though. Ron paul is stupid. But he still went to my high school

[QUOTE=Mr. Ron;17700665]Ah yes, as we can see from history that Communism has worked out very well when coupled with human nature![/QUOTE]
State Capitalism as in China and USSR (what is called "communism", yet isn't) hasn't worked or proven to rid us of inequality. Yet, autonomous collective communities have worked well in history, but have always been squashed by oppressive regimes or forces. I would like to see autonomous communities spring up in which the people share everything and workers run everything collectively. A community which respects the earth and the creatures that inhabit it, while recognizing animals don't belong to us nor are our servants but belong to the earth just as we do. I don't really feel like having the same discussion with you, since you're as stuck in your philosophy (libertarian?) as I am in mine.

[QUOTE=whiteminority;17700598]i decided to view that post but you do realize i have you on ignore?[/QUOTE]

yeah idk why you don't love me. I don't even try to troll you anymore.

[QUOTE=Mr. Ron;17700665]No, you need to explain how Liberalism is "authoritarian" or even inherently capitalist. You need to back up your statements with evidence.


Wait are you a proponent of some sort of anarcho-socialism or some other pipe dream?




Ah yes, as we can see from history that Communism has worked out very well when coupled with human nature![/QUOTE]

what evidence? it is authoritarian and Capitalist. how is this even up for debate?

so whatever philosophy you are not in favour of is a "pipe dream"? I can see now that I won't be answering your posts in the future. thanks for the heads up.

I take it that this also means that you mean Bolsheviks dictators when you speak of Communism, as opposed to actual Communism? kthnxbai.

[QUOTE=flesh;17700698]State Capitalism as in China and USSR (what is called "communism", yet isn't) hasn't worked or proven to rid us of inequality. Yet, autonomous collective communities have worked well in history, but have always been squashed by oppressive regimes or forces. I would like to see autonomous communities spring up in which the people share everything and workers run everything collectively. A community which respects the earth and the creatures that inhabit it, while recognizing animals don't belong to us nor are our servants but belong to the earth just as we do. I don't really feel like having the same discussion with you, since you're as stuck in your philosophy (libertarian?) as I am in mine.[/QUOTE]

I read this post and was like hey I agree with flesh wtf is going on, but then you went all PETA on my arse and I everything went back to normal.


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with that said, I think we should party sometime. **** all the moronic bickering when we could spend our time allying on axioms.

[quote=flesh;17700698]State Capitalism as in China and USSR (what is called "communism", yet isn't) hasn't worked or proven to rid us of inequality. Yet, autonomous collective communities have worked well in history, but have always been squashed by oppressive regimes or forces. I would like to see autonomous communities spring up in which the people share everything and workers run everything collectively. A community which respects the earth and the creatures that inhabit it, while recognizing animals don't belong to us nor are our servants but belong to the earth just as we do. I don't really feel like having the same discussion with you, since you're as stuck in your philosophy (libertarian?) as I am in mine.[/quote]
Yes, smaller collectives can achieve a sort of anarcho-communistic collective. It can work on a small scale, like the hippie communes in the 60's in California and upstate NY. Small scale collectives work because they are small, and like-minded individuals can make it work because they are in agreement about their values and ethics.


However, once you involve more and more people, millions, you'll not have that agreement since opinion and interests will be diverse.


I'm not libertarian really. I'm a conservative/pan-nationalist/meritocratic/conversationalist/traditionalist that thinks certain aspects of capitalism are good. I.E. if somoene wants to use a market to start a business and make a living for themselves with little state intrusion, more power to him/her.