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rippa32 04-25-2005 11:30 PM

Actually theres a bass solo in sweet leaf. And you cant forget the freeform jazz in the middle of wicked world live.

shadow_stalker 04-26-2005 09:21 AM

[QUOTE=i_am_Jimmy_Page]Anyone who has Black Sabbath...

[SIZE=4]ON 7:40 OF THE WARNING TONY IOMI MAKES A MISTAKE :eek:![/SIZE]


I hate to nipick, but I just noticed...[/QUOTE]

Im gonna have to listen for that :lol:

shadow_stalker 04-26-2005 01:01 PM

Andy very nice songs there. Why ever did black sabbath stop doing improvised bits like on sbs?

The rebel sounds like it was pulled straight off the story of... vol 1

Dont much like Rob Halford singing supernaut

Blow on a jug is just...well...

Brew 04-26-2005 01:11 PM

Halford + Supernaut = pretty bad.
Ial Gillan + Supernaut = absolutley shockingly poor.

Don't they talk over The Rebel on Vol.1? If so then the dude that I got it from must've found it somewhere else.

My guess for Sabbath doing less improvising over the years, is lack of drugs. Back in the day they used to go on stage high, especially Geezer who'd go on stage tripping on Acid.

ToRidTheDisease 04-26-2005 02:19 PM

I need help.

How does Geezer get that clunky, crunchy, hard attack sound on his bass, but keep the tone clean?

IAJP 04-26-2005 02:24 PM

I can only assume palm muting.
Although it's stupidly hard to do on bass,

You might want to try and add a lot of trebble to your sound too, wah is a must, especially for the N.I.B sounding kinda scene.

pigonthewing82 04-26-2005 02:38 PM

[QUOTE=rippa32]Actually theres a bass solo in sweet leaf. And you cant forget the freeform jazz in the middle of wicked world live.[/QUOTE]

That is an awsome jam, and one of the most underrated.

DesiOzymandias 04-26-2005 02:48 PM

Def, sweetleaf is an amazing song, love it, as well as a few others, but eh, Iron Man is still one of my fav's lol, Electric Funeral is sooo cool, great trippin song

DesiOzymandias 04-26-2005 02:51 PM

Ya know, surprisingly enuff, not nearly as many bands go on stage high/trippin as they used to, and what sucks is that that's caused a loss of quite a few great songs that made sabbath so amazing... *sigh* I want more sabbath *drool*

Brew 04-26-2005 03:01 PM

[QUOTE=ToRidTheDisease]I need help.

How does Geezer get that clunky, crunchy, hard attack sound on his bass, but keep the tone clean?[/QUOTE]

When they recorded the first album, Geezers amp had one speaker that had blown out.

/useless fact

I'm not too sure how he gets his sound, I've been trying to get it for awhile now.

shadow_stalker 04-27-2005 04:53 AM

[QUOTE=Lord Brummington]Don't they talk over The Rebel on Vol.1? If so then the dude that I got it from must've found it somewhere else.

My guess for Sabbath doing less improvising over the years, is lack of drugs. Back in the day they used to go on stage high, especially Geezer who'd go on stage tripping on Acid.[/QUOTE]

i think they only talk over the vocal parts, oh well...

They should kepp doing drugs, it sounds cool

rippa32 04-27-2005 05:38 AM

[QUOTE=DesiOzymandias]Def, sweetleaf is an amazing song, love it, as well as a few others, but eh, Iron Man is still one of my fav's lol, Electric Funeral is sooo cool, great trippin song[/QUOTE]

When he said awesome jam I think he was reffering to Wicked World live.

rippa32 04-27-2005 05:40 AM

[QUOTE=shadow_stalker]i think they only talk over the vocal parts, oh well...

They should kepp doing drugs, it sounds cool[/QUOTE]

I admit it sounds cool. But I think it was a good idea that Ozzy quit the drugs.

shadow_stalker 04-27-2005 05:51 AM

Yeah all of them were doing a good move quitting, but musically it was bad.

rippa32 04-27-2005 05:58 AM

Actually from what ive heard of geezer the music is quite good. Too bad the singer sounds like he belongs in an industrial band.

shadow_stalker 04-27-2005 06:06 AM

I've never listend to geezers solo stuff..

Rippa was it you that was telling me about that austrakian power metal band?

rippa32 04-27-2005 06:07 AM

Yes yes it was.

shadow_stalker 04-27-2005 06:10 AM

What were they called?

rippa32 04-27-2005 06:15 AM

Dungeon. Do you like them?

shadow_stalker 04-27-2005 06:20 AM

Yeah they are cool, gonna have a look for on of their cds.

rippa32 04-27-2005 06:24 AM

Yeah you could just dont expect to find them in HMV or Sanity. Its hard enough finding fairly well known bands in those places. To date I have never found a Dio album in a Sanity store.

Ronnie James Dio 04-27-2005 06:44 AM

[QUOTE=King David]Good Stuff, I think I should get into them more. Any album suggestions besides Paranoid?


War Pigs and Paranoid for me too.[/QUOTE]
Heaven & Hell and Mob Rules are their best CDs.

And what a frikken coincidink, Ronnie James Dio is in both of them (he replaced Ozzy after he left).

Brew 04-27-2005 10:26 AM

Live Evil is the best Sabbath album to get with Dio on it.

Dungeon are cool.

Fact: Ozzy does not play Harmonica on Swinging the Chain, its someone else. I only found this out yesterday when playing my vinyl copy of Never Say Die! and reading the sleeve notes.

shadow_stalker 04-27-2005 10:27 AM

Dude Black Sabbath is their best cd then all other ozzy sabbath albums, then dehumanizer the headless cross, the TYR and after that maybe heaven and hell.

shadow_stalker 04-27-2005 10:38 AM

[QUOTE=Lord Brummington]Fact: Ozzy does not play Harmonica on Swinging the Chain, its someone else. I only found this out yesterday when playing my vinyl copy of Never Say Die! and reading the sleeve notes.[/QUOTE]

He played it on The wizard didnt he?

Six Foot Revolver 04-27-2005 10:59 AM

I would definately recommend Self Titled to Sabbath newbies

Brew 04-27-2005 01:19 PM

[QUOTE=shadow_stalker]He played it on The wizard didnt he?[/QUOTE]

Probably.

I'm going to make an Offical Recommendation Post in this thread for any n00bs interested in getting into Sabbath etc... sometime soon, but at the moment I'm feeling lazy.

Velvet_Gun 04-27-2005 01:27 PM

They are coming to Vienna in June with Velvet Revolver as the support.
unfortunately the Tickets are very expensive...

Josh 04-27-2005 01:55 PM

NP: metallica - sabbra cadabra

tis not a bad cover at all.

Brew 04-27-2005 02:52 PM

[SIZE=7]Lord Brum's Black Sabbath Recommendation Post![/SIZE]

Ok, seeing as we get alot of people asking in here what albums/songs are good as stepping-stones to the world of Black Sabbath, I figured I'd make this post then get you guys to link it whenever someone makes a post along the lines of:

'' 'sup you funky Sabbath d00dz, whats a good album to get by Black Sabbath?''

So...here we go.

[SIZE=4]Albums - Ozzy Years[/SIZE]

I'm going to keep my opinions out of this part of the thread :p

Most of the guys in here have said that Black Sabbath and Paranoid are the best albums to get first, to be honest you'd be best buying them in order.

An album to avoid from the Ozzy years is Live at Last, its a crappy bootlegg and you'd be better off buying Past Lives, or Re-union. Also if possibly, try not to buy the 1996 Castle Remasters of the albums, the quality on them is poor, worse than my vinyl copies.

[SIZE=4]Dio Years[/SIZE]

With only a choice of 4 albums, its not hard picking which one to buy. They're all as good as each other, but I'd highly recommend [B]Live Evil[/B] as a first purchase from the Dio years, then the rest (Heaven and Hell, Mob Rules and Dehumanizer) in that order.

[SIZE=4]Tony Martin Years[/SIZE]

I've only heard the albums [B] Headless Cross and TYR [/B] from the Tony Martin years, he also featured on [B] The Eternal Idol, Cross Purposes, Forbidden and Cross Purposes Live [/B].

I've heard snippets of [B]Cross Purposes Live[/B], I'd recommend it if you're after a live album thats not got Ozzy on it.

From this era I'd highly recommend [B]TYR[/B]

[SIZE=4]The Rest[/SIZE]

[B]Born Again[/B]

From what I've heard, this album only really appeals to the hardcore Sabbath fans, and fans of anything that contains Ian Gillan. The songs that I've heard are good, but a bit of a let-down from the Dio years.

[B]7th Star[/B]

This is actually a Tony Iommi solo album under the Black Sabbath banner, its a bit hit and miss in places, but worthy of being in your collection.

[SIZE=4]Compilations/Best Of's[/SIZE]

This is simple, if you want a good compilation album, buy [B]The Best of Black Sabbath[/B], it gives you alot of Ozzy songs, along with a few Dio and Ian Gillan songs I think.

If you're an Ozzy pureist, I'd recommend [B]We Sold Our Soul For Rock n Roll[/B], although it only covers upto the Sabotage album.

[SIZE=4]Live Albums[/SIZE]

The best live album is probably Re-Union, with Live Evil, Past Lives, Cross Purposes Live and Live at Last coming behind, in that order.

Now then, the moment you've all been waiting for, this is my list for which order to buy the albums in (the ones that I have):

Volume 4
Black Sabbath
Never Say Die!
Live Evil
Heaven and Hell
Master of Reality
Sabotage
Sabbath Bloody Sabbath
Technical Ecstasy
Headless Cross
TYR
Mob Rules
Dehumanizer
Paranoid

[SIZE=4]Songs[/SIZE]

If you're cheap and lazy, here's a list of songs to download to give you some inspiration for which album to buy: (not in order)

Tomorrow's Dream (Volume 4, Ozzy)
Supernaut (Volume 4, Ozzy)
Neon Knights (Heaven and Hell, Dio)
The Law Maker (TYR, Tony Martin)
Black Sabbath (Black Sabbath, Ozzy)
Iron Man (Paranoid, Ozzy)
The Sign of the Southern Cross (Mob Rules, Dio)
TV Crimes (Dehumanizer, Dio)
Air Dance (Never Say Die!, Ozzy)
Gypsy (Technical Ecstasy, Ozzy)
Headless Cross (Headless Cross, Tony Martin)
Jerusalem (TYR, Tony Martin)
Trashed (Born Again, Ian Gillan)
7th Star (7th Star, Glen Hughes [I think, my memory is hazey at the moment] )
Megalomania (Sabotage, Ozzy)
Sabbra Cadabra (Sabbath Bloody Sabbath, Ozzy)
The Warning (Black Sabbath, Ozzy)
Hand of Doom (Paranoid, Ozzy)
After Forever (Master of Reality, Ozzy)

Yeh...I could go on for awhile recommending songs.

Well, I hope this post has been usefull for some of you, any questions feel free to ask them, and any of the regulars, feel free to add songs to the song list etc...

-Brum

:)


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