[QUOTE=Stoic]nice, now I want to listen to Iron Maiden but I've traded all my albums for obscure underground metal albums :mad:

At least I've kept 7th Son of a 7th Son <3 :D[/QUOTE]

I can send you any song you want if you want

[QUOTE=IheartSP]Sorry to beat a dead horse but they are about as Power Metal as Iced Earth is IMO. Either way they were a huge influence and everyone is too lazy to go talk about this in the Iron Maiden thread :p[/QUOTE]

No way. They are about as Power Metal as they are Melodic Death.

I can agree they were the single largest influence on power metal, but calling them power metal themselves is like calling Judas Priest power metal.

Yeah I don't think they are Power Metal but like Iced Earth their music has some similarity but is not 100% there, but their attitude is.

[QUOTE=podbassist]I can send you any song you want if you want[/QUOTE]

what a nice guy you are! I missed Murders In The Rue Morgue and Killers. Would it be ok to upload them on [url]http://www.yousendit.com[/url] and send me the link (AcquiredDisguise@yahoo.gr)? :D

[QUOTE=Stoic]what a nice guy you are! I missed Murders In The Rue Morgue and Killers. Would it be ok to upload them on [url]http://www.yousendit.com[/url] and send me the link (AcquiredDisguise@yahoo.gr)? :D[/QUOTE]

It said they sent it to you so they should be in your email

[QUOTE=podbassist]It said they sent it to you so they should be in your email[/QUOTE]

Got them, thank you very much! You must have a killer speed :s

[QUOTE=Stoic]Got them, thank you very much! You must have a killer speed :s[/QUOTE]

Just dsl
and hit me up if you want anymore stoic or anyone else

[QUOTE=HeavyRiva]No way. They are about as Power Metal as they are Melodic Death.

I can agree they were the single largest influence on power metal, but calling them power metal themselves is like calling Judas Priest power metal.[/QUOTE]
About as Power Metal as they are Melodic Death? I'm not even gonna try and argue with that, it's just not worth it.

[QUOTE=podbassist]Just dsl and just in case anyone else wanted one here is the link for killers



and hit me up if you want anymore stoic[/QUOTE]

:thumb:

you may want to edit your post and delete the link since we're not allowed to post YSI links anymore ;)

[QUOTE=IheartSP]About as Power Metal as they are Melodic Death? I'm not even gonna try and argue with that, it's just not worth it.[/QUOTE]

Tell me the definition of power metal.

Tell me the definition of melodic death metal.

Is there some sort of effect on the guitar in Killers? I've always wondered if it's that or just harmonics, I should go listen more closely.

[QUOTE=HeavyRiva]Tell me the definition of power metal.

Tell me the definition of melodic death metal.[/QUOTE]
No you're just going to find some way to turn it on me. There is no such thing as a "definition" really anyway, it's all about comparison in sound. Genres were made to group things together, it's all about comparison. Iron Maiden is MUCH closer to Dragonforce than they are to Arch Enemy. They both have a considerable amount of influence but I think it is painfully obvious which one is closer.

[QUOTE=Stoic]:thumb:

you may want to edit your post and delete the link since we're not allowed to post YSI links anymore ;)[/QUOTE]

thanks for the suggestion that would be bad i didn't know we weren't allowed to post ysi links anymore, this is like my first day on in like 1 month.

[QUOTE=HeavyRiva]Tell me the definition of power metal.

Tell me the definition of melodic death metal.[/QUOTE]

man why does everything in this forum have to end up in an argument over genres it doesn't matter how power metal they are if they are even 1 percent power metal then they can be in this thread.

[quote]No you're just going to find some way to turn it on me. There is no such thing as a "definition" really anyway, it's all about comparison in sound. Genres were made to group things together, it's all about comparison. Iron Maiden is MUCH closer to Dragonforce than they are to Arch Enemy. They both have a considerable amount of influence but I think it is painfully obvious which one is closer.[/quote]

Ok, then.

1. Arch Enemy are pure crap.
2. I'll do the list then.

[B]Power Metal[/B]

Emphasis on lead guitars often harmonising, vocals.
Clean, falsetto singing, mainly.
Bass is hardly prominent.
Lyrics are known for fantasy, war and self-empowerment, but variations occur.
Double bass drumming at a fast speed.
[B]
Melodic Death Metal[/B]

Emphasis on lead guitars often harmonising, vocals, drums.
Guttural harsh vocals.
Bass is usually noticeable.
Lyrics are not known for any real consistent theme.
Double bass drumming at a medium/fast speed.

[B]Iron Maiden[/B]

Emphasis on lead guitars often harmonising, vocals, bass.
Clean vocals.
Bass is very noticeable.
Lyrics are not known for any real consistent theme.
Double bass drumming at a medium/fast speed.

The two are closer than you think. If Bruce growled instead, do you think it's anything different?

[QUOTE=podbassist]man why does everything in this forum have to end up in an argument over genres it doesn't matter how power metal they are if they are even 1 percent power metal then they can be in this thread.[/QUOTE]

No, I want to prove my point over an internet medium. I'm not breaking any rules, so if it distresses you, then log off until it's over.

I cannot believe you are a mod that is the most ridiculous overgeneralization I have ever seen. I am never posting in this thread again I'm gonna stay in Wintersun and Bodom where people don't ridicule me with ridiculous responses.

Goodbye

[QUOTE=HeavyRiva]Ok, then.

1. Arch Enemy are pure crap.
2. I'll do the list then.

Power Metal

Emphasis on lead guitars often harmonising, vocals.
Clean, falsetto singing, mainly.
Bass is hardly prominent.
Lyrics are known for fantasy, war and self-empowerment, but variations occur.
Double bass drumming at a fast speed.

Melodic Death Metal

Emphasis on lead guitars often harmonising, vocals, drums.
Guttural harsh vocals.
Bass is usually noticeable.
Lyrics are not known for any real consistent theme.
Double bass drumming at a medium/fast speed.

Iron Maiden

Emphasis on lead guitars often harmonising, vocals, bass.
Clean vocals.
Bass is very noticeable.
Lyrics are not known for any real consistent theme.
Double bass drumming at a medium/fast speed.

The two are closer than you think. If Bruce growled instead, do you think it's anything different?[/QUOTE]

Um Nikko doesn't use a double bass he thinks its un drummer like, but he has the speed of a double bass, watch the dvd "part 1 the early days" they talk aboput it in their, and also there wouldn't be so much emogasis on the bass if steve harris didn't make iron maiden what it is.

Hooray guys! We got rid of another fanboy. Rejoice!

No really, I'm sorry to hear you're leaving. Why did I overgeneralise?

[QUOTE=podbassist]Um Nikko doesn't use a double bass he thinks its un drummer like, but he has the speed of a double bass, watch the dvd "part 1 the early days" they talk aboput it in their, and also there wouldn't be so much emogasis on the bass if steve harris didn't make iron maiden what it is.[/QUOTE]

Double-bass speed is the same. I'm talking about what we hear, not what the drummer does.

And if Steve Harris wasn't in Iron Maiden, I could say they were very close to Power Metal, yes.

Melodeath has noticable bass?

Well, maybe it does...I think about half of it, maybe.

I don't think Maiden is really close to either power metal or melodeath. I just say it's what heavy metal actually is.

If Harris wasn't in Iron Maiden, Iron Maiden wouldn't be Iron Maiden.

[QUOTE=Shattered_Future]Melodeath has noticable bass?

Well, maybe it does...I think about half of it, maybe.

I don't think Maiden is really close to either power metal or melodeath. I just say it's what heavy metal actually is.[/QUOTE]

I totally 150% agree. Metal=Iron Maiden

[QUOTE=Shattered_Future]Melodeath has noticable bass?

Well, maybe it does...I think about half of it, maybe.

I don't think Maiden is really close to either power metal or melodeath. I just say it's what heavy metal actually is.[/QUOTE]

I never said it was close to them either. I strongly believe it is Heavy Metal that is from the NWOBHM generation. I'm just pointing out that Melodic Death is as similar to Maiden as Power Metal.

Jason, I'm not sure what you're trying to prove but to an extent you have a point. To more specific it depends on what melodic death band you have in mind. If you take early In Flames then your theory is correct. If you take At the Gates then I think the description would not be correct since they sound more like NWOBHM elements [I]incorporated[/I] to a death fomula than growled vocals over a NWOBHM structure. If you take Arsis the NWOBHM influences are far less obvious.

IheartSP, come on dude, this is the internet, dont take "insults" too seriously. :p

[QUOTE=HeavyRiva]I never said it was close to them either. I strongly believe it is Heavy Metal that is from the NWOBHM generation. I'm just pointing out that Melodic Death is as similar to Maiden as Power Metal.[/QUOTE]

So basically what you are saying is if there was a melodic death thread too we could talk about them there too. Then why is everyone getting all butt hurt.

[QUOTE=Stoic]Jason, I'm not sure what you're trying to prove but to an extent you have a point. To more specific it depends on what melodic death band you have in mind. If you take early In Flames then your theory is correct. If you take At the Gates then I think the description would not be correct since they sound more like NWOBHM elements [I]incorporated[/I] to a death fomula than growled vocals over a NWOBHM structure. If you take Arsis the NWOBHM influences are far less obvious.

IheartSP, come on dude, this is the internet, dont take "insults" too seriously. :p[/QUOTE]
My natural assumption for every person in this board is that they are respectable and takes every opinion into consideration, innocent till proven guilty I guess. This thread is one of the few places where that doesn't apply and everyone flexes their elitist muscle and acts like they are so much better than everyone else. Theres no where else on this board I have to worry about that.

[QUOTE=HeavyRiva]I never said it was close to them either. I strongly believe it is Heavy Metal that is from the NWOBHM generation. I'm just pointing out that Melodic Death is as similar to Maiden as Power Metal.[/QUOTE]

I'm confused now...your argument where you list what makes each genre what it is says that melodeath and Iron Maiden are closer than you think.

[QUOTE=Shattered_Future]I'm confused now...your argument where you list what makes each genre what it is says that melodeath and Iron Maiden are closer than you think.[/QUOTE]

guys like i said before it doesn't matter if they're more death meatl or power as long as they are a little bit power metal then we can discuss them here

Yes but if you discussed them in the Melodic Death thread you would get laughed at or flamed almost instantly.

[QUOTE=IheartSP]Yes but if you discussed them in the Melodic Death thread you would get laughed at or flamed almost instantly.[/QUOTE]

Until Heavy riva came in

[QUOTE=Stoic]Jason, I'm not sure what you're trying to prove but to an extent you have a point. To more specific it depends on what melodic death band you have in mind. If you take early In Flames then your theory is correct. If you take At the Gates then I think the description would not be correct since they sound more like NWOBHM elements [I]incorporated[/I] to a death fomula than growled vocals over a NWOBHM structure. If you take Arsis the NWOBHM influences are far less obvious.
[/QUOTE]

I agree, though I think Arsis isn't that removed. But the same context applies for power metal. I was just going with the archetype.

[QUOTE=podbassist]So basically what you are saying is if there was a melodic death thread too we could talk about them there too. Then why is everyone getting all butt hurt.[/QUOTE]

Yes, you could talk about Maiden's influence to the Melodic Death genre.

[QUOTE=IheartSP]My natural assumption for every person in this board is that they are respectable and takes every opinion into consideration, innocent till proven guilty I guess. This thread is one of the few places where that doesn't apply and everyone flexes their elitist muscle and acts like they are so much better than everyone else. Theres no where else on this board I have to worry about that.[/QUOTE]

So, you want to be able to ridicule my opinion, and I'm not allowed to question yours?

Come on mate, I didn't even insult you personally.

[QUOTE=Shattered_Future]I'm confused now...your argument where you list what makes each genre what it is says that melodeath and Iron Maiden are closer than you think.[/QUOTE]

Most people put them miles apart. They are maybe 100m away from each other, and power metal is maybe 90m away.

I can solve this all...


look at me dance!

/starts dancing

/throws quarters...or in your money, pence.

Bah, Maiden is Maiden. Plain and simple.

Alright then. Since mods aren't allowed to express their opinion anymore, I'll bury the hatchet.


Sorry, IheartSP, for assuming that I can say what I think on the internet. Sorry I hurt your feelings, it was unintentional, I assure you.