Ah the good old "I wouldn't join the military if it was the last option in the world" thought. It never fails me when I think of our current presidency.

[QUOTE=Renaissance]Ah the good old "I wouldn't join the military if it was the last option in the world" thought. It never fails me when I think of our current presidency.[/QUOTE]

You're just lucky you got good old chaps like me keeping you from have to go border jumping :) .

[QUOTE=cjborton]You're just lucky you got good old chaps like me keeping you from have to go border jumping :) .[/QUOTE]

I'd leave the country anyway. I'm a Marxist, and dislike the current system of government in America.

[QUOTE=Renaissance]I'd leave the country anyway. I'm a Marxist, and dislike the current system of government in America.[/QUOTE]

Meh, I can agree that Marxism isn't too bad.


/Is spitting up blood. Is that healthy?

[QUOTE=cjborton]Meh, I can agree that Marxism isn't too bad.[/quote]

Good man.

[quote]/Is spitting up blood. Is that healthy?[/QUOTE]

My masculinity says yes, but my common sense says no.

I don't think Marxism can be good or bad. Just right or wrong.

[QUOTE=zepfan]
Actually, I'm hoping Bartender, Manuscript replica or i_am_jimmy_page win for their contribution this month.[/QUOTE]

Thanks, I suppose, though I'm at a bit of a loss as to what I've done particularly this month :-/

Also, this thread has far too much spam now.

[QUOTE=Bartender]I don't think Marxism can be good or bad. Just right or wrong.[/quote]

That's subjective to the conditions and influences under which you've been raised.

[quote]Thanks, I suppose, though I'm at a bit of a loss as to what I've done particularly this month :-/[/quote]

You've.... modded? ;)

[quote]Also, this thread has far too much spam now.[/QUOTE]

It's a general discussion thread, it happens. It's a good thing to have in here though.

[QUOTE=Renaissance]NP: [b]Miles Davis[/b] - "So What"[/QUOTE]

Ooh, awesome song!!! I just love Miles' first solo, his intro phrase is heavenly

NP Therion - Typhoon

[QUOTE=Renaissance]That's subjective to the conditions and influences under which you've been raised.[/QUOTE]

No, I mean the way I think of Marxism, it isn't a political theory of how things should be. It's just a theory of how things are (or, more accurately, will be).

EDIT: i.e. a meta-political theory, not a political theory.

[QUOTE=Bartender]No, I mean the way I think of Marxism, it isn't a political theory of how things should be. It's just a theory of how things are (or, more accurately, will be).

EDIT: i.e. a meta-political theory, not a political theory.[/QUOTE]

Marxism and the Communist Manifesto are designed as guidelines to be used like any other blueprint. They don't state that this will undoubtedly come to pass, they just tell you how the system works, and give you an idea of how it can be achieved. Capitalism started out as nothing more than words on a piece of paper, and it was allowed to prosper. Why is it, that when even the smallest Socialist or communist country tries to get it's feet on the ground, America swoops in and bombs it into submission? Capitalism won't last forever.

Hey, you - if you had posted in the Titans thread, we might have let you stay.



Well, ok, we wouldn't, but it would have been fun to rip into an MoP fanboy.




[size=7]ATTN Mods. I need Stars.[/size]

[QUOTE=CJS]
Marxism and the Communist Manifesto are designed as guidelines to be used like any other blueprint. They don't state that this will undoubtedly come to pass, they just tell you how the system works, and give you an idea of how it can be achieved. Capitalism started out as nothing more than words on a piece of paper, and it was allowed to prosper. Why is it, that when even the smallest Socialist or communist country tries to get it's feet on the ground, America swoops in and bombs it into submission? Capitalism won't last forever.[/QUOTE]

When Marx was writing though, he wasn't writing with the immediate intention that this was what people should do. I mean, he clearly thought of socialism and, eventually, communism as a positive thing, and moving towards them a positive step, but he was writing to describe what would happen, in the natural evolution of human society. i.e. Capitalism gives way to socialism, which in turn gives way to communism.

I agree with you; capitalism won't last forever - but I don't think it will disappear the way modern communists (et al) would like it to. The reason it has lasted so far is because the leaders, the bourgeoisie if you like, have all read Marx. He said "amelioration or death", and they have done just that - ameliorated. "You want us to give you a minimum wage? Okay, to appease you, we will. Want us to farm our ship building labour (etc) to third world countries, so the former quarry and ship workers can now feel like they're middle class? Okay, we'll do that too". And they're still in power, aren't they?

I think the reason attempted communist and socialist societies have so far failed, is because they've tried; because I think Marx was right. We haven't yet had global capitalism, but we're moving towards it. Only when we get there, it won't be called capitalism any more; it'll be called socialism. Do you see what I mean?

[QUOTE=LordDargon]Hey, you - if you had posted in the Titans thread, we might have let you stay.

Well, ok, we wouldn't, but it would have been fun to rip into an MoP fanboy.[/size][/QUOTE]

Hey now, I thought I did post in that thread, in fact I'd swear on it, but that, like many of my recent posts, has been deleted by an unknown mod stalker. So far I've ruled out PDWAB, which still leaves far too many possibilities.

Besides, I changed my usertitle because the Titans Of Thrash one got old after two days. Put that in your elite pipe and smoke it.

[QUOTE=Bartender]When Marx was writing though, he wasn't writing with the immediate intention that this was what people should do. I mean, he clearly thought of socialism and, eventually, communism as a positive thing, and moving towards them a positive step, but he was writing to describe what would happen, in the natural evolution of human society. i.e. Capitalism gives way to socialism, which in turn gives way to communism.

I agree with you; capitalism won't last forever - but I don't think it will disappear the way modern communists (et al) would like it to. The reason it has lasted so far is because the leaders, the bourgeoisie if you like, have all read Marx. He said "amelioration or death", and they have done just that - ameliorated. "You want us to give you a minimum wage? Okay, to appease you, we will. Want us to farm our ship building labour (etc) to third world countries, so the former quarry and ship workers can now feel like they're middle class? Okay, we'll do that too". And they're still in power, aren't they?

I think the reason attempted communist and socialist societies have so far failed, is because they've tried; because I think Marx was right. We haven't yet had global capitalism, but we're moving towards it. Only when we get there, it won't be called capitalism any more; it'll be called socialism. Do you see what I mean?[/QUOTE]

I see your point, though there are holes in it, as I'm sure there are in my own. Global Capitalism isn't what I would classify as Socialism, because under Capitalism you have individual companies yielding their own profit from the manufacturing and distributing of goods and produce, where as, under Socialism only the government yields the profit, and then distributes a share of that profit in a country-wide "paycheck". Capitalism, even on an entirely global scale, is still based around who can make the biggest profit, and be the biggest buisnessman.

Well yeah, my saying that global capitalism = socialism is a bit too much of a simplification. Hopefully you can see what I'm getting at, though.

Anyway, I've got a proctorial to go to, so I'll see you all later.

Later. :wave:

[QUOTE=Bartender]I don't think Marxism can be good or bad. Just right or wrong.



Thanks, I suppose, though I'm at a bit of a loss as to what I've done particularly this month :-/

Also, this thread has far too much spam now.[/QUOTE]
That kinda happens when we have no rep.......

When We had rep all the conversation consisted of was " I repped you guys. Rep me Back"

Goodnight everyone.

NP: [b]Sonata Arctica[/b] - "Gravenimage"

Hello everybody!

Guys I need some more good posting n00bs to even make it competitive :-/

34 regs nominated, 3 noobs :(

what defines a noob?

/still has to vote.

Mornin', bitches. God I feel so ****ing sick today. I'm not even going to try to get past the swear filter.

[QUOTE=LordDargon]Hey, you - if you had posted in the Titans thread, we might have let you stay.



Well, ok, we wouldn't, but it would have been fun to rip into an MoP fanboy.




[size=7]ATTN Mods. I need Stars.[/size][/QUOTE]

I don't. They never got my **** longer.

[QUOTE=munky_magik]what defines a noob?

/still has to vote.[/QUOTE]
anyone who joined this year

[QUOTE=zeppelinfan2k3]anyone who joined this year[/QUOTE]
I'll see if I can find any for you.

What are we voting for?

[QUOTE=InColdBlood]What are we voting for?[/QUOTE]
R&Mer of the month.

[QUOTE=InColdBlood]What are we voting for?[/QUOTE]
RMOTM

Ah.

**** it.