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Im guessing not to many people are into punk in south dakota.

Haha, the truth... I suppose in a couple of cities, there is something going on. Like I'm 80 miles from a city that has had some pretty good bands play this year... Ed Gein, Martyr AD, and some others I can't remember. There are quite a few good local bands there as well. Nodes Of Ranvier actually came out of this city, (Sioux Falls) but I don't really like them.

It must be boring there that far from a city.

It is... If I had a more reasonable car, it wouldn't be so bad.

The show I'm going to has a band that needs new lead vocals, and they want someone who can scream. They might have me do it, but I'm going to see if I can change their taste's a little.

[QUOTE=cbmartinez]Refer to page 1, but here's a quick definition...

Hardcore= Faster, harder punk, often with screamed vocals (Give Up The Ghost, [URL=http://www.purevolume.com/scrapsandheartattacks]Scraps And Heart Attacks[/URL], [URL=http://www.purevolume.com/theprocedure]The Procedure[/URL], [url=http://www.purevolume.com/comebackkid]Comeback Kid[/url])

Metalcore= Hardcore fused with metal. A lot of bands are starting to lean towards metal and it is hard to here the hardcore in them. ([URL=http://www.purevolume.com/wallsofjericho]Walls Of Jericho[/URL], early Poison The Well, early Avenged Sevenfold)

Grindcore= Eh, I'd rather not take this one because I'm not sure of which bands are true grind but, I believe bands like Napalm Death, Agoraphobic Nosebleed and Cattle Decapitation are considered "true" grind. Then you have the newer wave of grind which is a bit hard to classify. Bands like The Locust, Daughters and The Tony Danza Tap Dance Extravangza are not true grind, but definitely have some grind in them. Grind is getting pretty varied also. You can go from the hardcore grind sounds The Locust to the almost Death Metal growls of The Red Chord.

Discerning Metal from Metalcore= As I said, metalcore is a fusion of metal and hardcore. But most of the mainstream/fashioncore metalcore bands of today (Atreyu, Bleeding Through, Eighteen Visions) are starting to lose the hardcore in them. When listening to Bleeding Through or Norma Jean, it's hard to pick out the hardcore, essentially making them a metal band. I think Buddy puts it best when he does his metalcore reviews, labeling them "Metalcore/Melodic Metal." Though it might sound strange to call Atreyu Metal (especially to metal fans), Metal is the genre they are closest to. Many extreme metal fans shun this because, in my opinion, metal has become a duel of which bands are the darkest, fastest and heaviest, leaving no room for Atreyu. So metalcore has become a little storage place for bands that fall somewhere between hardcore and metal, even though most of them are in reality "metal" bands. In Walls Of Jericho's music, you can hear both metal and hardcore, making them a true metalcore band. Compare [I]Distance Makes The Hear Grow Fonder[/I] Poison The Well with [I]You Come Before You [/I] Poison The Well. You Come Before You is truly a metal album, while Distance Makes... is pretty much true metalcore. But the point is, melodic metal bands that are "not hard enough" to be placed in the metal genre are being thrown into metalcore. Just as the definition of screamo has morphed, the definition of metalcore is also.[/QUOTE]

Thanks man. :)

I think I consider Cattle Decapitation death metal still...

hmm, that's really interesting to read about but im not sure i could tell the difference myself. on the whole subject of genres in general i know a lot of people get annoyed with the fact that they are grouping things together into categories etc. but i find it really interesting(i know i just said that!) to read about it and what people's interpretations of different genres are, so yeh thanks for posting that whoever did!

um this is really unintelligent of me and i apologise in advance for my lack of musical knowledge but what exactly is a 'breakdown' can someone explain to me in layman's terms?!

Hardcore Breakdown= A part of the song that is palm-muted and is good for dancing. It may feel a little heavier, slower, angrier than the rest of the song.

[url]http://bridge9.com/bridgenine/sound/carry-on_a-life-less-plagued.mp3[/url] (Listen towards the end, when the riff gets palm-muted.)

Metalcore Breakdown= Essentially the same thing, but metalcore breakdowns often get associated with the word chug. Metalcore breakdowns usually consist of open power chords played in a certain rhthym, known as chugging.

[url]http://www.purevolume.com/underminded[/url] (Listen to the song 'It's Kinda' Like A Bodybag." The part where the singer screams "Who needs a bodybag," there is a breakdown playing in the background.)

[QUOTE=cbmartinez]Hardcore Breakdown= A part of the song that is palm-muted and is good for dancing. It may feel a little heavier, slower, angrier than the rest of the song.

[url]http://bridge9.com/bridgenine/sound/carry-on_a-life-less-plagued.mp3[/url] (Listen towards the end, when the riff gets palm-muted.)

Metalcore Breakdown= Essentially the same thing, but metalcore breakdowns often get associated with the word chug. Metalcore breakdowns usually consist of open power chords played in a certain rhthym, known as chugging.

[url]http://www.purevolume.com/underminded[/url] (Listen to the song 'It's Kinda' Like A Bodybag." The part where the singer screams "Who needs a bodybag," there is a breakdown playing in the background.)[/QUOTE]

oooh *is enlightened* i see now! yeh u described it really well. thanks for that :)

I found a band with former Evergreen Terrace members.

[url=http://www.purevolume.com/myhostage]My Hostage[/url]

They're okay.

So aparently Propagandhi have a song "Firestorm, My A[size=2]s[/size]s". Once I find it, it better be the funniest song I've ever heard.

Its not. Its the song [B]Nailing Descartes To The Wall...[/B] off of [I]Less Talk, More Rock[/I] with a different title and a couple of changed lyrics. Its on [I]Where Quality Is Job #1[/I]

Ahh ok, My friend said that was the title of the song.

It is the title of the song...

I think they may be different songs, cause I just found the one I'm looking for "Firestorm, My As" I'll compare them to see if they're different.

Same music, a little different lyrics. Although now that I think about it... It might be [B]Less Talk, More Rock[/B] I am talking about... I don't know, but its one of those songs...

Yeah it is, D[size=2]a[/size]mn my friend got my hopes up. Would have been funny if it was all about Earth Crisis.

Reversal of Man ripped off the Firestorm riff, can't remember the song title, though.

BroXmosh kids threatened to beat them up if they played it anywhere near Gainesville.

I don't care what anyone says, I really like [I]Suicide Notes And Butterfly Kisses[/I].

It all sounds the same, I can only listen to that album for like 10 minutes tops. I really regreat buying it, but it was a choice between that or the Bigwig CD I had lost (Which I later found)

I think it starts off strong, but slowly loses momentum.

I think it was good, but I just overplayed it... So I don't really like it that much anymore.

There is a couple good songs. [I]At Least I Know I'm A Sinner...[/I]

Yeah, I'm listening to it now for the first time in a while. I think "At Least I Know I'm A Sinner" is one of the weakest ones.

/me reps you anyway

:(

I'm a weak person.

:)

For the sake of getting off the topic of Atreyu, anyone else into Freya?

I just got [I]As The Last Light Drains[/I], and besides a little bit of awkward singing at some points, it's sweet.

[QUOTE=BleedthesKY]For the sake of getting off the topic of Atreyu, anyone else into Freya?

I just got [I]As The Last Light Drains[/I], and besides a little bit of awkward singing at some points, it's sweet.[/QUOTE]

I've had that for a while. I like them quite a bit. On the new split with Hoods, it sounds like Karl does most of the singing.

[QUOTE=capri sun junkie]I've had that for a while. I like them quite a bit. On the new split with Hoods, it sounds like Karl does most of the singing.[/QUOTE]
Aye, it's from '03. I'm a little behind on my hardcore, considering I just got into it a month or two ago after hearing Bridge To Solace.

I saw a review for that split, but I'm not big on Hoods, so I decided to get [I]War Is Hell[/I] instead. It's freaking amazing.

[QUOTE=BleedthesKY]
I saw a review for that split, but I'm not big on Hoods, so I decided to get [I]War Is Hell[/I] instead. It's freaking amazing.[/QUOTE]

/Still hasn't checked that out yet... :(

Outbreak tonight w00t!

Oh snap! SD scene is spreading around in the east!

December 15, $4, 7PM
Brookings at the Old Sanctuary

[URL=http://www.purevolume.com/sevenleftstanding]Seven Left Standing[/URL]
[URL=http://www.purevolume.com/afterthesun]After The Sun[/URL]
[URL=http://www.purevolume.com/awakewithout]Awake Without[/URL]
[URL=http://www.purevolume.com/gadtrat]Gadtrat[/URL]
CSNVTT

Finally! A show less than an hour away from me! :)
I don't know about you guys, but even if some of the bands aren't that good, I'm pretty happy that there are at least bands and shows around my area.

Where Eagles Dare "To Come From Nowhere" is ana wesome CD. Download it, I have it on soulseek.

Man it sucks in the hours before a show its so boring.

Man, what time does it start?

Doors are at 7:00 im leaving at 6:45.

Oh, I didn't know our time zones were that far apart.

EDIT-nevermind, i didn't know you lived in vancouver.

yeah im Pacfic, you must be eastern? three hours ahead?

[url]http://www.theprocedure.com/oneway/XOneWayX%20-%20Generic%20Hardcore%20Song.mpg[/url]

XOneWayX - Generic Hardcore Song [size=4]The Video[/size]
From the first time they played this song when I went to see them, sadly I am not to be seen in this video. If they put up the 2nd video you can probably see me.