Spreading the wealth =/= capitalism

[QUOTE=Permanent Solution;16813978]What?

Everyone who spends money in the US pays taxes.

Do you mean just income taxes? Even so that seems like an erroneous number.[/QUOTE]

When people say Obama wants to lower taxes, they're only talking about income taxes, so I was doing the same.

Obama's income tax cuts for the lower 95% are much more than McCains, the way I see it, the rich deserve and can handle having taxes raised.

Also just because someone believes in spreading wealth that doesn't make them a socialist. Trickle down = bull[B]s[/B]hit though.

Income taxes aren't the only taxes. Obama will give a small tax break ($1000 for families with under $150,000 in income), and jack up everything else.

[QUOTE=pate;16813834]He's being called a socialist because he wants to take money from the 'rich' and give it to people who don't pay taxes. Spreading the wealth. Socialism.[/QUOTE]

Even so it's an overused term with a negative connotation. I'd rather have that than politicians helping out all of their rich buddies.

[QUOTE=pate;16814052]Income taxes aren't the only taxes. Obama will give a small tax break ($1000 for families with under $150,000 in income), and jack up everything else.[/QUOTE]

Are you saying he's going to raise the sales taxes?

are you avoiding the whole point that obama's gonna pointlessly jack up taxing and spending steve?

[QUOTE=Angmar;16814045]the rich deserve...having tax raised[/QUOTE]

what?

[QUOTE=Dimmu Burger;16814055]Even so it's an overused term with a negative connotation. I'd rather have that than politicians helping out all of their rich buddies.[/QUOTE]

research sarah palin's involvment with oil companies in alaska if youre worried about republican candidates "helping out rich buddies"

[QUOTE=pate;16814034]
When people say Obama wants to lower taxes, they're only talking about income taxes, so I was doing the same.[/QUOTE]
Alright but even so, that's a silly/misguided figure with the 30%.

[quote]In the United States at the end of 2001, 10% of the population owned 71% of the wealth, and the top 1% controlled 38%. On the other hand, the bottom 40% owned less than 1% of the nation's wealth.[/quote]
So if even 40% of the population isn't paying taxes, who cares? On a flat tax system that would be less than 1% of the income tax collected in the nation.

I don't know how americans can see numbers like that and not be appalled. People are so selfish.

[QUOTE=Stormrider;16814077]what?[/QUOTE]

why shouldn't they?

omg the top 5 percent will have their taxes raised how will they ever handle this. :(

Rich make lots of money they don't need, why shouldn't they be taxed to relieve the less wealthy?

The rich already get taxes higher!

And in big cities, $250,000 doesn't make a person rich.

[QUOTE=Angmar;16814062]Are you saying he's going to raise the sales taxes?[/QUOTE]

Again, there are other taxes.

He's going to heavily tax corporations. Guess what: Corporations don't pay taxes. They raise prices so we get to pay their taxes for them.



Capitalism = selfish

You work for what you have. If you don't work for anything, the government SHOULD NOT be handing you a fat check every month that came from a "rich" person's paycheck.


Rich people earned their money. Why should the government take it away?


And yes, I'm fine with the unemployment system as it is. I'm not talking about that.

On top of that, the top 5% greedy rich bastards who need to be taxed to help out the poor who dont pay taxes in the first place just so happen to be the people who's donations fund various hospitals, museums, charities, and institutions nationwide.

And they need to pay employees. And they need to make profit so they can pay more employees and increase output.

And if you take away the rich man's money to be spent on, say, expensive homes, where does the construction worker get his money? smaller lower paying projects?

Yes because there are never underlying circumstances that would put someone in poverty, they obviously are just lazy and don't deserve help. :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=Angmar;16814102]Yes because there are never underlying circumstances that would put someone in poverty, they obviously are just lazy and don't deserve help. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

Look at my note at the bottom. 'Help' is already in place.



The 'rich' are the one who create jobs.




@Dan: You think that changing the name of the condition will change the condition?!

[QUOTE=Ghoul Hunter;16814082]why shouldn't they?[/QUOTE]

I just don't see how they [I]deserve[/I] it soley on the basis that they make more money.

[quote]Rich people earned their money.[/quote] always true

hahahaha
[QUOTE=Angmar;16814102]Yes because there are never underlying circumstances that would put someone in poverty, they obviously are just lazy and don't deserve help. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

steve, do you know what a charity is? you ever been to salvation army? goodwill?

i know ghetto kids, when they got money from bush's economic stimulus package, they got new dunks and maaaad haze.

[QUOTE=Stormrider;16814106]I just don't see how they [I]deserve[/I] it soley on the basis that they make more money.[/QUOTE]

it's to even things out so they don't have loads of money just sitting in the system throwing off the balance

123 Jammie


"omg they have more that they don't need"

It helps to have money when it's time to pay your employees.



[quote]
always true[/quote]

It doesn't matter if they got it by working hard, inheritance, or from being on TV. That is earning it.

[QUOTE=hismajestythepope;16814109]steve, do you know what a charity is?[/QUOTE]

Charity can reach every single needy person in the US agreed.

It's not charity if the government is mandating it!

[QUOTE=Angmar;16813999]lol @ spreading the wealth = socialism[/QUOTE]
well if you think about it

its taking money from some people and giving it to others. how is that in anyway capitalistic.
[QUOTE=Angmar;16814045]Obama's income tax cuts for the lower 95% are much more than McCains, the way I see it, the rich deserve and can handle having taxes raised.[/quote]
Why? Why do rich people deserve having their taxes raised? Why can they handle it?
Better yet why do you demonize the rich as inherently worse people and much less beneficial than middle income or poor people. Rich people don't deserve any harsher or softer treatment than the other average american...because this might be enlightening to you but rich people and poor people both share something. They are people, and i have never understood why the size of their wallets should change how they are treated.

[quote=angmar]Also just because someone believes in spreading wealth that doesn't make them a socialist. Trickle down = bull[B]s[/B]hit though.[/QUOTE]
yes it makes them a politician with socialist influences.
And you have no understanding about trickle down economics so please dont make any assumptions on it other than that you dont know what youre talking about
[QUOTE=Dimmu Burger;16814055]Even so it's an overused term with a negative connotation. I'd rather have that than politicians helping out all of their rich buddies.[/QUOTE]
oh so now you dont think the democrats are as slimy and deceitful as the republicans because on the surface they seem to be anti-rich? Have you ever thought that raising taxes on corporations and regulating the market actually helps the businesses make more money? More often then not, the burden of the taxes come on the consumers rather than the producers. Not to mention that often times regulation eliminates natural market forces of competition.
[QUOTE=Angmar;16814062]Are you saying he's going to raise the sales taxes?[/QUOTE]
idk is obama?

i wouldnt be surprised. Even though sales tax is more a state thing.

[QUOTE=Angmar;16814112]Charity can reach every single needy person in the US agreed.[/QUOTE]
considering theres charity organizations in even the smallest of towns, yeah.

[QUOTE=pate;16814111]123 Jammie


"omg they have more that they don't need"

It helps to have money when it's time to pay your employees.





It doesn't matter if they got it by working hard, inheritance, or from being on TV. That is earning it.[/QUOTE]

you're missing the point. it's not like obama wants to make rich people the new middle class.

you guys are missing the point, go to a low income area. people will complain like omg i cant afford dis i cant afford dat. but theyll be wearing timbaland boots and a bepe hoody, texting away on their sidekick while their homies smoking a blunt playing their new xbox 360.

MAAAN THA STRUGGLE YO.

I didn't ****ing say it was capitolistic, I'm saying that ONE little feature that might be "socialist" doesn't MAKE someone a socialist.

Trickle down throughout history has shown not to work, do some research.

[QUOTE=Angmar;16814128]I didn't ****ing say it was capitolistic, I'm saying that ONE little feature that might be "socialist" doesn't MAKE someone a socialist.

Trickle down throughout history has shown not to work, do some research.[/QUOTE]
reagan created a horrible recession

wait

[QUOTE=Angmar;16814128]Trickle down throughout history has shown not to work, do some research.[/QUOTE]
take your own advice son, holy ****

in situations where large corporations are "hoarding their money" maybe institute regulations on wage rates? doesnt that ACTUALLY MAKE SENSE?

i crated an arugments!