Response to last 2 posts:

Read the thread. Because I am sure 'someone' isnt going to respond because those questions have been asked hundreds of times...

Thank you for your time.

f***in awesome thanks

Thanks metaliq......but im afraid your wrong.
I looked all over this thread an there was nothing about the thursday style screams and im sure there is a different technique used to the high falsetto ones....but i dunno.

Thank you for your time. :D

havent checked them out, but uh...its just gonna be a matter of how much cord activation you put into it. If you had to guess, what do you think could be any other technique? lol. theres not really much going on in your throat. its not like you have five sets of sound making devices.

Though it could be some whistle...its rare for a guy, but its possible. i'll try to check it soon.

i have 5 :cool: makes me extra special.
nah haha i dunno im new to screaming an i havnt been able to try any new stuff latly because my vocal chords are swollen an have been for about a week an a bit an i dont wana start screaming again just yet.......ill wait till its completly better. The most i could do for now was just ask.

[QUOTE=Winter-seed...AKA b&h]i have 5 :cool: makes me extra special.
nah haha i dunno im new to screaming an i havnt been able to try any new stuff latly because my vocal chords are swollen an have been for about a week an a bit an i dont wana start screaming again just yet.......ill wait till its completly better. The most i could do for now was just ask.[/QUOTE]

SEED! man, what the hell are you doing dude!? i told you it sounded like you were pushing too hard and that it sounded like head voice. you cant do that. but i dont know what you did. you should never have voice affects for a week man. you really need to reevaluate your workings. maybe take at least a few classes. ****, youre really gonna get a mucus parka! :lol:

dude, watch out though man. really. i couldnt imagine not being able to get it going for a week! gosh.

do alot of ee's man. and scales, it will keep scar tissue from developing, just do them with little push, but you need to keep the cords stretched. regular push. stay hydrated.

[QUOTE=Winter-seed...AKA b&h]Thanks metaliq......but im afraid your wrong.
I looked all over this thread an there was nothing about the thursday style screams and im sure there is a different technique used to the high falsetto ones....but i dunno.

Thank you for your time. :D[/QUOTE]

Lol, sorry for my post. I was a bit frustrated at something at the time so the post sounded kinda mean. :thumb:

But I believe that those screams have been discussed... btw the vocalist for Thursday doesnt do the screams as well generally... the guitarist does... so I dont know if that has anything to do with that.

But the scream just sounds like the generic ones that were talked about the majority of this thread. It does sound like he is using less of his falsetto at some points.

To me, it sounds like its coming more from the throat then the falsetto, but if Merkaba has info on that... it would be kinda nice.

Point of post: to appologize and share my mind, hehe.

haha yea its cool dude, sorry about my post aswell.
And yep merkaba your right i was pushing to hard on the screaming an i over done it the first day cause i did it for acouple of hours practicing but its getting better now just been resting my voice from singing a bit and humming stuff out.The main problem is like when i sing my lower falsetto is fine but my higher notes crap out. And my normal speaking voice is fine....went off ur motto :confused:
I was a dumbass cause i was like oh yea its only for a little while it wont matter much but....you have to pay :upset:



ADVIDE TO ANYONE!!!!!! DONT PUSH TO HARD, EVEN IF IT IS JUST FOR A LITTLE BIT. AND DONT PRAC TO MUCH AT FIRST

got a link to a Thursday song?

[url]www.purevolume.com/thursday[/url] i think
Im not sure if the song on there has screaming on it.
His voice will probably put you off the band haha but i reckon he has a mad voice.

how do i go about a hawthorne heights scream?

dude .........i wouldnt ask that question.
People go off their nut because its been asked so many time before.
Its most likly the way that is explained on here already but if its not...im sorry

[QUOTE=Winter-seed...AKA b&h][url]www.purevolume.com/thursday[/url] i think
Im not sure if the song on there has screaming on it.
His voice will probably put you off the band haha but i reckon he has a mad voice.[/QUOTE]

I took a listen.
pretty much the same thing.
sounds like they use some mixed voice as well, which is just what i've been talkig about how much vocal cord activation you want to add to the note. He pushes pretty hard sounds like. but otherwise, i dont know anything else to say that hasnt already been said.

ahhhh i see.
Thanks for checking it out.

I read the whole thread and several other screaming threads cause i'm a death metal singer (low growls as well as high screeches) and except the "push it from the guts" stuff, is there any other particular techniques for doing it ?
When I do it, it doesn't really hurt at all for the low death metal growls but when it comes to the high screeches, my throat become really tight in order to do it and that's when it starts to hurt a bit on the front of my throat after about an hour, any tips about that ?
One last thing, you guys talked a lot about warming up, when you say warming up, what kind of exercises to you suggest ?
Oh and thanks a lot for all the tips, this has been reaally useful !

[url]http://www.soundclick.com/bands/1/malegothbabesmusic.htm[/url]

On this link you'll find a sample of my high pitched scream and the other song is a stupid cannibal corpse parody that I've made with one of my friend, but it still gives a good idea about my death metal growl ! On the song I'm the low growler.

Thanks a lot again !

I'm having such a hard time with screaming. I tried the falsetto stuff, and it's like a squeak. I have a relativley deep voice, but I'm trying to hit a Senses Fail type scream, especially like the screaming done in "Irony Of Dying On Your Birthday" it's insane check it out. But yeah, I tried for like 15 min the other day and my throat hurt so I quit. I've never had any singing training, am I a lost cause, or do I just keep trying. The thing is, I don't really understand how to even go about forming the scream.... little help? the stuff on here makes no sense

[QUOTE=Sir Killalot]I read the whole thread and several other screaming threads cause i'm a death metal singer (low growls as well as high screeches) and except the "push it from the guts" stuff, is there any other particular techniques for doing it ?
When I do it, it doesn't really hurt at all for the low death metal growls but when it comes to the high screeches, [B]my throat become really tight in order to do it[/B] and that's when it starts to hurt a bit on the front of my throat after about an hour, any tips about that ?
One last thing, you guys talked a lot about warming up, when you say warming up, what kind of exercises to you suggest ?
Oh and thanks a lot for all the tips, this has been reaally useful !

[url]http://www.soundclick.com/bands/1/malegothbabesmusic.htm[/url]

On this link you'll find a sample of my high pitched scream and the other song is a stupid cannibal corpse parody that I've made with one of my friend, but it still gives a good idea about my death metal growl ! On the song I'm the low growler.

Thanks a lot again ![/QUOTE]



see the bold section
don't stress try to relax
act like your rowing (at home though just to practice) because then you won't think about the note to much and you won't go like ooooh that note is high.

warming up:
just the regular going up and down [B]BUT[/B] allways work from your middle section or the note you feel most comfortable with.
@home lay on your back with your knees up and hands on your diaphgram
and breath you'll strecht more muscles on this way

*edit

you remember when you were a kid and you'd act like a car trilling your lips
(like a thight version of a horse)
do the up an down thingy on the same way except now like the child-car thingy
you can go higher than normal this way so it's streches your cords more

[QUOTE=Punkgolfer2k4]I'm having such a hard time with screaming. I tried the falsetto stuff, and it's like a squeak. I have a relativley deep voice, but I'm trying to hit a Senses Fail type scream, especially like the screaming done in "Irony Of Dying On Your Birthday" it's insane check it out. But yeah, I tried for like 15 min the other day and my throat hurt so I quit. I've never had any singing training, am I a lost cause, or do I just keep trying. The thing is, I don't really understand how to even go about forming the scream.... little help? the stuff on here makes no sense[/QUOTE]

:/ don't go off screaming without any preparation man
at least warm up.. or else you can say bye bye to your voice withing 2 weeks

as seeing you've never had vocal lesson it even makes it worse.

read some of the articles about preserving your voice
(think merka. made one just search for it)
and the articles about the screaming techniques
ex. first page from this thread.
you should really practice normal singing first
from the 6 hours band rehearsell (sp?)
i scream aprox. 3hours from it and got no pain or
soar throat at all.
oh and water a lott...
but you should really first get all the techniques right
and now how to use your voice in a safe way.
IMO it takes good singing before you can turn it into good screaming

if there are any spelling mistakes.. don't care i'm dutch

Thanks man, I think I'm just gonna break down and take singing lessons.....

[QUOTE=EcolliJK]don't care i'm dutch[/QUOTE]

^^^ Best line ever ;).

Question... how much is warming up required for death metal growls? Im not working alot with my vocal chords (to a point of it being obvious at least... or so i think?) and I do warm up, but I wondering what extent I should go to... thanks.

depends on how much you value your cords. and thats not trying to be funny.
how much do you do? are you back up, or lead? i would at least warm up with typical warm up stuff like you would here any singer do. it will help get the cords loose and ready. if youre making sounds , youre using the cords, so its good to have them warmed up to there best. plus you get more longevity. and warm down as well.

So i have a question, is there any techniques on screaming like... the guy from Story Of The Year or something, he has a really sweet scream....

any tips?

[QUOTE=LilSexyGuitarDood]So i have a question, is there any techniques on screaming like... the guy from Story Of The Year or something, he has a really sweet scream....

any tips?[/QUOTE]

Dan from Story of the Year is who i model my scream after. When i started modelling my scream after him, i realized that singing/screaming along to story of the year actually helps to mold your voice a bit like that. Your voice eventually picks up how you want to sound and conforms as best as it can to the voice your screaming with. Or so i think so anyways, but there is technique and alot of work involved. I've met Dan from story of the year and asked him how he started off (screaming). He told me that you just gotta drink alot of f**king water and scream your balls off. something like that ahah...oh the inspiration he gave me ahah. anyways, good luck, doubt i helped,but i tried.
Also, because Dans scream can hit many notes and has a wide range, make sure you can sing the notes he screams before trying to scream them. If you cant hit the pitch singing, you wont get near it screaming.

thats cool you met him...lol subjective advice...;)

yeah thanks...i'm goin to go see em in Nov. when they come to Hard Rock, ah I cant wait they are so sick live.

[QUOTE=Yasgotcha69]Dan from Story of the Year is who i model my scream after. When i started modelling my scream after him, i realized that singing/screaming along to story of the year actually helps to mold your voice a bit like that. Your voice eventually picks up how you want to sound and conforms as best as it can to the voice your screaming with. Or so i think so anyways, but there is technique and alot of work involved. I've met Dan from story of the year and asked him how he started off (screaming). He told me that you just gotta drink alot of f**king water and scream your balls off. something like that ahah...oh the inspiration he gave me ahah. anyways, good luck, doubt i helped,but i tried.
Also, because Dans scream can hit many notes and has a wide range, make sure you can sing the notes he screams before trying to scream them. If you cant hit the pitch singing, you wont get near it screaming.[/QUOTE]
good to see that other pro's agree, drink water!! stay hydrated. and yea, i always stress being able to sing the note first. any scream is still a note. and you have to be able to control that note. learn to sing first. Screaming is just a hard note with some effects on it.

[QUOTE=Punkgolfer2k4]Thanks man, I think I'm just gonna break down and take singing lessons.....[/QUOTE]
well the thing is you can take them in spurts. its not like a contract(usually) where you have to go all the time. go to get a foundation at least.

I realized something today Merkaba.

My style for 'growling' has alot of vibration from my throat. Like if I touch my trachea (right word, right? hehe) i can feel the vibration below or behind my adams apple. Are my vocal chords making the vibration? Because I remember you saying that that isnt good for them...

I am not doing high pitched stuff, just death metal growls. I believe i have the falsetto down, so im not as much concerned with that. But I am afraid that I may be doing damage if the vibration is bad. My throat doesnt hurt (except a tiny bit of irritation, most likely due to the 'above normal' air being pushed on the back of my throat) and my singing isnt off, so to *me* it doesnt feel like its harming me... but still...

I just have this image in my head of the vocal chords just floppin around because the vibration... any input? Thanks man, its much appreciated.

Well, yea. cords are vibrating hundreds of times a second! lol, but youre gonna feel alot of vibration in the throat while doing anything below falsetto...more as you go lower. Youre referring to when i said youre pushing and the cords are flapping. youre still gonna have alot of vibation either way. its something you might have to do just to realize what it feels like. but it basically comes from pushing really hard while in chest or head and its not really comfortable or balanced feeling.

the only thing i can say is to try to get a falsetto "feel" when you do your stuff, yes, even the lower stuff. this just means that youre allowing your throat to open. and still practice isolation. low growls, well that means your cords are thicker. but again, the way to make sure youre headed in the right direction(s), be sure to feel as if youre about to sing the note. this can actually give you more tone and help you decrease pushing, increase sound and volume, and increase stamina and longevity. low sounds, (chest voice) are gonna vibrate the trachea more and the lungs (duh, chest voice). so i couldnt really tell you. sounds like youre on top of your game though. just continue to pay attention to yourself. thats how i learned alot. and of course, no pain...no affect to speaking voice. Be sure to warm down though, you need the cords to go back to a normal shape.

keep working

Thanks a lot Merkaba & everyone else who helped! I have been practicing this stuff for like a month now and finally got it DOWN! Once i save up enough to get a good mic i'll make some recordings.

Wow, I read every single page of this! Very usefull information indeedI'm already starting to see some results. I'm hoping to get a scream like Brandan from Bleeding Through or Jesse, the former singer of Killswitch Engage.

[QUOTE]Dan from Story of the Year is who i model my scream after. When i started modelling my scream after him, i realized that singing/screaming along to story of the year actually helps to mold your voice a bit like that. Your voice eventually picks up how you want to sound and conforms as best as it can to the voice your screaming with. Or so i think so anyways, but there is technique and alot of work involved. I've met Dan from story of the year and asked him how he started off (screaming). He told me that you just gotta drink alot of f**king water and scream your balls off. something like that ahah...oh the inspiration he gave me ahah. anyways, good luck, doubt i helped,but i tried.
Also, because Dans scream can hit many notes and has a wide range, make sure you can sing the notes he screams before trying to scream them. If you cant hit the pitch singing, you wont get near it screaming.[/QUOTE]


uh not really true, i cant hit pretty much any high note singing but i can scream as high as '#12 looks like you' can maybe alittle higher

#12 looks like you

wtf??

hey, i was just wondering what are some good warm ups before you start screaming? im sorry if someone has already given that advice i must have missed it while i was looking through the forum. any help would be great thanks.




ps. thanks alot to all those who have helped! due to the advice i have read i can now scream in my friends band :thumb:

[QUOTE=Merkaba-1]#12 looks like you

wtf??[/QUOTE]


yeah check em out on kazaa or somthing

The Number 12 Looks Like You, Civeta Dei is one of my favorites.

[QUOTE=davidw_9]hey, i was just wondering what are some good warm ups before you start screaming? im sorry if someone has already given that advice i must have missed it while i was looking through the forum. any help would be great thanks.




ps. thanks alot to all those who have helped! due to the advice i have read i can now scream in my friends band :thumb:[/QUOTE]

i have some stuff in my voicehelp hotline

I'm happy with my sound, and I'm pretty sure I'm doing things correctly (not getting any pain etc) - my one problem would be what I'm assuming is down to my lung capacity - I've got quite a large lung capacity (can hold my breath for approx 1min 30s) but for some reason I'm running out of breath very very quickly when screaming - I can make the "Die Young and Save Yourself" scream from Brand New's Sic Transit Gloria, but anything more than about 2 seconds long I seem to break up on.
I do seem to have a pretty loud scream (our drummer heard me crystal clear from upstairs on the other side of the building, and I wasn't using a mic) so could it be the fact that I'm getting too much volume that's killing the length of my scream?

im annoyed cus i cant scream or sing high, its just cus of my vocal range and me having a deep voice :( i sound like cookie monster when i scream

WHat about me?
 

WHat About ME??

Have any tips for girls who like to scream. I haven't seen it done much, but i love to do it. WHen i do, My voice always gives, and cracks. My voice is low pitched, but when i try to do it like Breaking Benjamin, it doesn't sound right. I mean, I know he's a guy, and thats the difference, but whats a girl to do? :evil:

[QUOTE=leomondaine]im annoyed cus i cant scream or sing high, its just cus of my vocal range and me having a deep voice :( i sound like cookie monster when i scream[/QUOTE]
hehe. sorry i had to laugh. i love cookie monster.