If I post a recording of me doing a karyoke over The Black Dahlia Murder- I'm Charming, will someone please crit it, tell me what im doing wrong. Because I know there must be :P

[QUOTE=fuzzyhair]If I post a recording of me doing a karyoke over The Black Dahlia Murder- I'm Charming, will someone please crit it, tell me what im doing wrong. Because I know there must be :P[/QUOTE]

I will. TBDM = one of my favorite bands, so I'm going to be harsh if you don't hit everything perfectly.

Ahaha.

[QUOTE=wkd]I will. TBDM = one of my favorite bands, so I'm going to be harsh if you don't hit everything perfectly.

Ahaha.[/QUOTE]
Well you shall be very harsh then, I know I didn't hit everything perfectly.
EDIt: I know my voice squeaked a little bit, and mine sounds different than his, but it's a fun song to sing. I didn't do the growling parts, and I didn't really know all the lyrics, but it's all there.

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[QUOTE=Rats!]I will never understand how you do that[/QUOTE]
The resonance of the true voice helps. This is why Tenor, baritone, etc. classifications are followed instead of just letting a good falsettist sing high notes. The resonance of the true voice with proper breath support will carry the voice without straining. Now I'm no opera singer, but if you've been in a concer hall or etc, before you'd be able to hear a difference. If you ever get a chance to even mess around in an empty auditorium it is a very nice thing to do. Of course a filled auditorium wouldnt have quite the same sound.

[QUOTE=fuzzyhair]Could you recommend a song that would help me. Maybe happy? by Mudvayne? It has clean singing, slight rasp, forceful singing, and then screaming. Would that song help?[/QUOTE]
Nah I'm talking about less aggresive genres all together. More operatic. With sustained true voice. I dont know of any such in metal. (Except Iron Maiden esque bands) I use a couple of Alter Bridge songs, but I like some female artists that I sing along with too. Esthero,Res, Tapping the Vein.

Hey guys

I'm reasonably happy with my chest voice timbre, but when I go into higher head voice I lose some of that. It loses power too.

Is there anyway to either extend my chest voice range, or strenghten up my head voice?

Thanks in advance guys.

[QUOTE]Nah I'm talking about less aggresive genres all together. More operatic. With sustained true voice. I dont know of any such in metal. (Except Iron Maiden esque bands) I use a couple of Alter Bridge songs, but I like some female artists that I sing along with too. Esthero,Res, Tapping the Vein[/QUOTE]
What about something like Dream Theater? I already know most of those lyrics.
EDIT: btw merkaba can you listen to [URL="http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=464730"]this[/URL] and give me some tips. I know I'm not the best or even that good, but I would really like to sound descent. So any help is great.

Fuzzyhair, so I took a look at that recording this morning, and overall, I have to admit that it's pretty good. His voice is kind of hard to pull off, but not incredibly hard. [I think the hardest kind of scream to learn would be how the guy from Darkest Hour does it, I think it's impossible. He personalizes it with his own voice or something.]

I did hear a few squeeks and mess up here and there, but nothing too big. Anyone with no musical talent what-so-ever wouldn't notice. If you were playing a gig or something I'm sure people would be congradulating you.

Pretty good.

I'd give it an 8.5.

[QUOTE=wkd]Fuzzyhair, so I took a look at that recording this morning, and overall, I have to admit that it's pretty good. His voice is kind of hard to pull off, but not incredibly hard. [I think the hardest kind of scream to learn would be how the guy from Darkest Hour does it, I think it's impossible. He personalizes it with his own voice or something.]

I did hear a few squeeks and mess up here and there, but nothing too big. Anyone with no musical talent what-so-ever wouldn't notice. If you were playing a gig or something I'm sure people would be congradulating you.

Pretty good.

I'd give it an 8.5.[/QUOTE]
Thank you. You have no idea how good that makes me feel. I just started screaming so hopefully I will just improve. Thanks.

i have been told that my voice isn't good enough to sing but i would like to learn to throat. would i be able to do it?

[QUOTE=your living nightmare]i have been told that my voice isn't good enough to sing but i would like to learn to throat. would i be able to do it?[/QUOTE]

You could, but it's highly advised that you learn to sing before you try to scream. "If you can't sing it, you can't scream it." Very wise saying indeed.

I can sing now, but before I had no singing ability what-so-ever, and I was completely horrible. I learned through singing a long to songs. I have yet to take any singing classes [although I might start to soon]. If you can't sing too well, I would recommend getting some professional classes to help you learn, then later try to take on screaming.

Or if you want to take my route [although, I don't really recommend it], you can just sing a long to some basic songs are learn that way. Just make sure to warm up. [Check out the voice help hotline for warm-up tips.] and also drink a lot of water, and maybe some tea. [It helped me.]

I would say you should atleast do a month [two would be even better] of just vocal exercises and training, then try learning to "throat". Trust me, it will help loads if you learn how to sing first.

Good luck.

Hey umm whenever I try to do growling I develop some mucous. Is this normal? Also after I do growls for about an hour my voice seems a little bit hoarse. I am not really pushing that hard. I pretty much do it at a loudness of spoken voice. Am I doing any damage or should I be okay? I know that any pain is bad, so I decided to ask you guys. oh btw i am trying lamb of god styled stuff, so It may not be "growling" but its definately low.
EDIT: Okay I just got back from doing some lamb of god stuff for about 20 minutes straight. I don't have as much mucous. I think its because I tried to controll my push and I have a little but not as much. The back of my throat sorda hurts. umm is this because i just started?

Figured I'd post a clip of me singing so I can get some feedback.
It's the beginning of Avenged Sevenfold - Warmness on the Soul. I recorded it with one of those crappy computer mics that sit on top of the monitor.

[url]http://s88021011.onlinehome.us/rats-avenged-warmness.mp3[/url]

I have a simple issue. I would like to make my voice project better and be more powerful. I have an alright singing voice but have problems projecting. This is pretty odd because back before my voice broke I sung for a Queen's Chapel and pretty much filled the place with my voice which was just naturally powerful. Now, I'd really like to try and make it that good again.

Is it just practice or do certain exercises help?

help please
 

hey guys ok i wanna learn to sing screamo...can u suggest where i should go to practise without buggin the familly? and also can you tell me what i can do to learn how to scream w/o hurting myself? thanks guys

As with clean singing I am quite satisfied with my voice. (Hitting notes right, getting everywhere relaxed, etc...)

But sometimes I want it to sound a bit more "with balls". - No screams, just with a litte rasp on top of it.

(I guess its the wrong approach wanting to sound like somebody else, but....:rolleyes:
some Hetfieldish edge would be nice. Or like Janne Christofferson of Spiritual Beggars and Grand Magus. That guy rocks!)

I tried out Merkabas hint with singing Louis Armstrong in the car. That was great fun :-)
But, when get this gargling Armstrong sound, my adams apple moves up about 4 cm (two inches). I guess thats bad technique, right?
When i try to move it down I return to clean voice.

Am I doing something wrong?

And one more question: Some say pushing is bad. Others say hesitating is bad (because muscles will work against each other).
Which of both is right?

Try to rasp while barely making making the notes' sounds. LIke you were gonna whisper but youre still barely making the sound. The adams apple will rise a bit when you get up in range, but you should be able to keep your apple down with Louis Armstrong. No reason why you would need to move it at all for his range. Be sure you start off with an open throat. So inhale, then keep this open feeling like youre were gonna say ahh for the doctor. You should practice ahhs first actually, at speaking voice pitch. Right in the middle of your range, with barely any push.

First of all: Tank you very much for dealing with my little problem, Merkaba.

Might be that you misunderstood me (which might be because of the typo in my post...oops).
The larynx doesnt move up with the pitch. - This works fine with clean vocals. - but with imitating Louis' sound.

I just dont know which switch to flip for the rasp. Obviously I found the wrong one.
So i'll keep on trying...

I'll try that hint with open aaahs anyway. I guess it wont harm ;)
Do you mean the middle of my chest voice or the middle of my whole range (which is right at my nasty register break :( - I'm still working on that)?

I understood you. You still shouldnt have to move you larynx much to get rasp at that pitch.

Do a normal pushed note with the vowel Ah...as soon as you get the sound start to try to grunt a little. This should be initiated by the diaphragm. But you should be able to do this pretty quietly. You should be able to rasp a whisper. Though whispering is not good for the cords, it puts it into perspective how you dont need alot of push. Do this with the open ahhs and be sure to stay open while you try to get the grunt going. You want to barely feel this grunt, and when youre singing its not gonna be as much pressure as a grunt would be, but it can at least help you get a feel.

Does anyone know what voice Davey Havok uses when he sings? I wanna sound more like him, I try to sing along to his songs, but they always pretty much kick my ***. I wanna extend my range, but I don't know where to start.

Also, how can I get a good punk voice going, or what is the proper way to do it? I have so much more respect for punk now because I tried singing along to some and it's harder than it looks. I thought it was just a bunch of loud yelling, but there must be more to it.

The song I'm trying to learn is The Unseen - Scream Out, I can pretty much do the verses, but the chorus can get a little hard, cause I like to go a little overboard and I yell really loud and sometimes my voice cracks and yeah..

I also used to play a lot of hardcore stuff, so I will sometimes turn my raspy yells into a scream without even realizing it, I wanna get out of this habit.

Anyone know how to death growl like mikael from opeth? I can try and do it, but i run out of breath on the sustained screams and i can't get my voice low enough or as clear as he does. Is their a technique for death growling?

[QUOTE=wkd]Does anyone know what voice Davey Havok uses when he sings? I wanna sound more like him, I try to sing along to his songs, but they always pretty much kick my ***. I wanna extend my range, but I don't know where to start.

Also, how can I get a good punk voice going, or what is the proper way to do it? I have so much more respect for punk now because I tried singing along to some and it's harder than it looks. I thought it was just a bunch of loud yelling, but there must be more to it.

The song I'm trying to learn is The Unseen - Scream Out, I can pretty much do the verses, but the chorus can get a little hard, cause I like to go a little overboard and I yell really loud and sometimes my voice cracks and yeah..

I also used to play a lot of hardcore stuff, so I will sometimes turn my raspy yells into a scream without even realizing it, I wanna get out of this habit.[/QUOTE]
it doesnt matter what voice he uses, trust me. All that will do is give you more tension. He might be a high tenor and you might be a baritone, or low baritone which will make it pretty much impossible to match. I've heard a few songs from them but they arent on my playlist, which is very, staccato, shall we say.

I have some words on range expansion in the voicehelp hotline. [url]http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=219911[/url]

i've been trying really hard recently to get that gritty voice that roger daltrey from The Who has but it's freakin hard...I mean I read that u have to get more air to touch the back of your throat and i think i'm doing that right, but eventually i'm trying to get that scream going on that Roger does like towards the end to "We Don't Get Fooled Again," because that in my opinion was pretty much one of the greatest screams I have ever heard. So if anyone knows could you tell me how?

Hello, everyone. :wave:



I was just curious about [U]strengthening my falsetto.[/U] I'm trying to learn how to scream, screamo style.(Ya' know, Saetia) And I want to do it properly.


I'm pretty sure I can hit falsetto. My voice goes from normal, which is pretty low, and, when I'm entering what I think is falsetto, it drops into a groove, which is quite high. I assume that it's possible to actually change falsetto range? I can scream a bit now, without pain, but I just have little to no range, and can't really do it in falsetto, or atleast what I think is my falsetto.

So, is this my falsetto? And can I actually change it, and give it range, so I can hit some really high notes?


At this point, it's a b*tch trying to hit falsetto, or atleast what I think is my falsetto, and when I do, it's basically monotonous,... really high. On the other hand, I have hope, because my falsetto is really defined, and it's much, much, much different than my main voice. It's just getting there that's a problem.


Thanks for any help. :)

[QUOTE=Semple]Hello, everyone. :wave:



I was just curious about [U]strengthening my falsetto.[/U] I'm trying to learn how to scream, screamo style.(Ya' know, Saetia) And I want to do it properly.


I'm pretty sure I can hit falsetto. My voice goes from normal, which is pretty low, and, when I'm entering what I think is falsetto, it drops into a groove, which is quite high. I assume that it's possible to actually change falsetto range? I can scream a bit now, without pain, but I just have little to no range, and can't really do it in falsetto, or atleast what I think is my falsetto.

So, is this my falsetto? And can I actually change it, and give it range, so I can hit some really high notes?


At this point, it's a b*tch trying to hit falsetto, or atleast what I think is my falsetto, and when I do, it's basically monotonous,... really high. On the other hand, I have hope, because my falsetto is really defined, and it's much, much, much different than my main voice. It's just getting there that's a problem.


Thanks for any help. :)[/QUOTE]
First you shouldnt have trouble getting into falsetto. You should be able to hit falsetto notes with as much ease as talking. So if youre having trouble, then youre having way way way too much tension, and youre probably missing your head voice range because of this, which can affect your ability to "release" kinda, and let go into thinner cord edge control such as head and falsetto. I would suggest you work without alot of push in an attempt to realize the muscles/workings it takes to isolate the cords enough to get your full range. It shouldnt be a bitch to get across any part of your range. It should only be a bitch to try to reach the next highest or lowest note in your range.


Check out the hotline, especially the head voice link.
[url]http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=219911[/url]

Hey merkaba....

ive been practicing screaming and i think it sounds normal...but its really quiet...liek way too raspy that it cant be heard properly...as if im whispering.

can you give me any tips....and just tell me if you need a sound clip of what i mean

thanks

edit: and also...im gunna get singing lessons soon, but will a singing teacher really teach how to scream? :confused:

If its not a rock teacher, which is rare, they'll tell you that screaming is one of the worst things you can do for your voice/singing...and it is.

Sounds like youre trying to rasp the note more than form the note first. Go for singing the pitch first. Until you can do them together, you should think about singing the note first. You need the cords to be doing their usual work.
Sing the Scream...
And be sure to come from the diaphragm. The mouth doesnt need to do much and you dont need to think much about it. Think about the jaw being on a hinge, and loose, and you form your words with your jaw, not your whole mouth. Think about the jaw and your diaphragm. Don't think about the throat.

I would like to know how to do harsh vocals.

Me aswell, I'm trying to learn how do it for my band, but the only way I can yell is when I do it in a quiet voice, but when I do my usual scream I sound like the guy from Atreyu, like I'm throwing up when I screaming, I kinda like that sound but I'm guessing from what I've heard on the forums that is not a very good technique and not very many people like it.

[QUOTE=PunkSkater163]Hi people. Sorry for posting this here, but I didn't know where else to post it. I once heard that if you were born with the talent to sing then you could improve. But if you were born with no singing talent then you can not improve and you are stuck a bad singer for like ever. is this true? I'm a bad singer but I really want to sing in my band, like really bad! So I was wondering If any one can improve thier singing skills?

If you can, then can any one give me pointers. I dont like my voice. it's to plain and bad.[/QUOTE]


Yeah, I'm asking the same question as he is. I sound really bad but me and my friends want a band, and since I'm still just starting at guitar and keyboard we decided that I should be lead singer. But can you go from absolutely horrible to even moderately good? What range of improvement is there? Are there any things I should do to start out before lessons? Or should I just start going out of no where? Any information would be greatly appreciated.

merkaba....if i post a clip of my screaming, or send it to you somehow, are you able to hear what im doing wrong and give tips?

I'd much rather just send straight to you...so if you could get back to me that would be great ;)