That's a pretty good price, but I doubt they will come to the Biloxi area.

[QUOTE=relliK]Notice how I started my statement with "Selling out to me is..." rather than making it sound like fact.Its my opinion.Im just stating it.[/quote]Who cares about your opinion; you made something called a statement, and as it seems you don't have a point which makes any sense.

[QUOTE]The day a musician makes music to satisfy others rather than to satisfy themselves is the day they sell out.On themselves at least.Why not say "we made this album sound this way because we felt like going this direction"? Sure "sell out" has very many definitions, but this is the one I feel most strongly about.[/quote]
That's not what you said the first time. First selling out was "not going different directions", now it's suddenly "satisfying others rather than to satisfy themselves". THIS DOES NOT MAKE SENSE. For example, how can YOU tell sticking to brutal thrash (ie. Vio-lence, Slayer before the late 90s) does not satisfy the bands themselves? Vio-lence made one brutal thrash masterpiece, and then they made another almost as brutal thrash classic - so now they've sold out? Then go listen to pretty much every hardcore punk band - they've all sold out in that sense, but Metallica or Motley Crue never sold out since they changed?

[quote]Looking at music from an art standpoint, why paint the same potrait twice, or make similar ones?You dont have to.You can go different directions with your artistic endevour.Its called being an artist.Slipknot are-Artists.[/quote]Interpretation: It's OK to make a worthless cr*p album of any sort, as long as it's different.

I haven't often heard two thrash songs which sound very similar. Making five masterpiece albums in a row still counts as a good thing, even if they're all a similar brand of thrash and you like thrash. Slayer didn't need to push the envelope of prog rock, rap, or power metal - because they were too busy pushing the envelope of thrash all the time. And that makes them less artists?

[quote]Sure fan satisfaction is part or making music, but losing and gaining fans is inevitable.Why be "middle of the road" with the music decisions you make?Grow some balls and take risks.Thats the fun of it isnt it?[/quote]
Having balls is rocking as hard as you can. Fun is me thrashing in the moshpit as Slayer unleashes a setlist of 20 insanely brutal thrash classics. If they threw in a soft rock song, would it make you feel any better? Forgive me for thinking St. Anger was the worst album ever made - it was then fun only because it was different!

[quote]They have been declining since 1990.They seem to make "follow up" albums rather than striding to outdo themselves.Every album they make never leaves the shadow of RIB.Sure its a tough act to follow, and sure Slayer loves the music they make and dont feel the need to go different directions, but GHUA was their weakest showing.Its not half of RIB.[/QUOTE]
What the hell are you talking about, GHUA and Diabolus match your definition of "not selling out", since none of them are classic thrash like RiB. They're very borderline to being thrash, more of modern hardcore.

EXCUSE ME, HAS ANYONE SEEN LOGIC AROUND HERE, BECAUSE I SURE HAVEN'T!

[quote=rellik]I dont think Slayer has sold out but from my standpoint maybe they have.[/quote]Wait! I wanna hear what you actually meant with this? Why was it necessary to tell this - since obviously you were trying to communicate something because you wrote it.

yaay my thread was ressurected

[QUOTE=6(sic)6 blissed out hippy]Slipknot are awesome, but i've moved away from them, i don't listen to them as much any more, for me, their latest album was a dissapointment, it was a change in their style of music which to me, makes COREY not the band, it makes corey a sellout. I only say this because all of slipknot say stuff like "corey was a real drive for us this time around".[/QUOTE]

i agree 100% i love slipknot and there awesome but they have came kind of mainstream i like vol3 but it is kind of gay that they have to change

[QUOTE=schweinhunt]That's not what you said the first time. First selling out was "not going different directions", now it's suddenly "satisfying others rather than to satisfy themselves". THIS DOES NOT MAKE SENSE. For example, how can YOU tell sticking to brutal thrash (ie. Vio-lence, Slayer before the late 90s) does not satisfy the bands themselves? Vio-lence made one brutal thrash masterpiece, and then they made another almost as brutal thrash classic - so now they've sold out? Then go listen to pretty much every hardcore punk band - they've all sold out in that sense, but Metallica or Motley Crue never sold out since they changed?[/QUOTE]

Ok, I should have been more specific with that.Especially because that "not going different directions"only really applies to mainstream bands such as Slipknot.It doesnt really apply to Slayer's situation.Ok, Slipknot had the hit single "wait and bleed" and went platinum with both s/t and Iowa.They could have gone "hey, thats an easy way to make money.Lets follow it up more of the same because its obvously working".Then they go into the studio and record 14 Wait and Bleeds or another Iowa just because that formula made them dough in the past and its taking the easy way out.Not doing it for their own musical satisfaction, but doing it to satisfy the music industry and the mainstream consumer.Wouldnt that be considered selling out?Yes.I never made the assumption that Slayer or Vio-lence didnt find satisfaction in the music they are making.They of coarse, are not having mainstream success. They are following up with more of the same because they obviously enjoy it, not because its making them loads of money.Like I said, my first statement doesnt apply to them because they are not constantly in the mainstream eye.Being that this is a Slipknot thread, I adressed their situation without being specific about who I was talking about.My mistake.

[QUOTE=shweinhunt]Interpretation: It's OK to make a worthless cr*p album of any sort, as long as it's different.

I haven't often heard two thrash songs which sound very similar. Making five masterpiece albums in a row still counts as a good thing, even if they're all a similar brand of thrash and you like thrash. Slayer didn't need to push the envelope of prog rock, rap, or power metal - because they were too busy pushing the envelope of thrash all the time. And that makes them less artists?[/QUOTE]

As I said, I should have been alot more specific.No, its not Ok to make a worthless peice of crap album as long as its in a different directions.Metallica is a good example of this as you pointed out.What I meant was that going different directions as long as you have the same drive or passion as before is ok.Dumbing music down to fit "whats hot"(which Metallica did with St.Anger) would be an instance of conformity, not a change in musical direction.If Slayer was busy pushing the envelope of thrash all the time, then good for them.They are being artists.They are doing what they love doing and giving it their all.Cant dog them for that.As long as they dont start seeming bored with the formula but continue at it because other people are getting satisfaction out of it.

[QUOTE=shweinhunt]Having balls is rocking as hard as you can. Fun is me thrashing in the moshpit as Slayer unleashes a setlist of 20 insanely brutal thrash classics. If they threw in a soft rock song, would it make you feel any better? Forgive me for thinking St. Anger was the worst album ever made - it was then fun only because it was different![/QUOTE]

Sure, having balls is rocking out as hard as you can and playing a set of brutality.Slayer may still be as much fun with it as they did 20 years ago.Thats fine.Good for them.I was about having balls with the music choices you make.This doesnt apply to Slayers situation, but it applies to Slipknot's.I guess I have a nack for being specific :rolleyes: Slipknot has a reputation for being 9 angry dudes in masks playing fast angy music.Would it be crazy to release an album with acoustic tracks and 3 part harmonies after establishing yourself as a band that only plays fast and heavy stuff?Releasing Vol.3 was a ballsy move that could have easily blew up in their faces.I salute them for making that move.Not every band would dare to do such a thing.Dont apologize for hating St.Anger, I completely agree.That vain attempt at mainstream success doesnt deserve to reach anyones ears.

[QUOTE=shweinhunt]What the hell are you talking about, GHUA and Diabolus match your definition of "not selling out", since none of them are classic thrash like RiB. They're very borderline to being thrash, more of modern hardcore.
EXCUSE ME, HAS ANYONE SEEN LOGIC AROUND HERE, BECAUSE I SURE HAVEN'T![/QUOTE]

I admit that that statement may have been a bit premature. I should wait until their next album(with Dave back)before I can really make that claim and feel 100% about it.But tell me, did you really hear that same passion and hunger in GHUA that you heard in their much earlier.I myself really didnt.That album lacked in my opinion.The change would have be fine had it had they really "pushed the envelope" in the direction they went in.I may sound like a ****in paradox just rambling on like this but I dont care.I prolly sound like Im condradicting myself left and right.If you dont understand where Im coming from, than I guess that sucks for me now doesnt it?

[QUOTE=schweinhunt]Wait! I wanna hear what you actually meant with this? Why was it necessary to tell this - since obviously you were trying to communicate something because you wrote it.[/QUOTE]

I wrote it like that because Im wishy washy on it.Sure, Slayer is still delivering blistering metal but I feel that their heart isnt in it as much as it once was.I feel that they may have gotten really confortable in their "Kings of Metal" throne.I hope to be proved wrong with the next album, but this is kind of where I stand as of now.

does anybody know where I can find some drum tabs for duality???

relliK, I think you oughta stop playing inside the wishy washing machine and go have a beer instead.

*grabs beer*

Anyway, have any of you got a hold of that Vermilion video?Every site that had or has it has been raped like crazy.Looks like I came too late.

i just dled it yesterday from urbanchaosvideos, it was down for a while, but it was back on later in the day.

curse slipknot for tuning the freaking drums so low......I can't hear crap when I try to play duality.....I need TABS!!!!!

I can hear the drums just fine.But anyway, I just saw the video and I thought it was pretty cool.Could they have cut any more parts out of the song?Jesus.That was really the only downside.The video reminds me of the movie Requiem for a Dream in a way.Its prolly Slipknot's best video.

Yeah the video was cool. Its messed up how they put their faces on as masks.And they cut like, the whole guitar solo out.The video is really good.But that sucks cause since it is good MTV will get it and...

^^^
...it will get turned into a played out piece of crap like every other good song that had a good video.

Also, I would just like to add that Vol. 3 was an extremely good album, and the only reason I realized that is because that's the one that got me hooked on Slipknot. Before that I had never heard any of their music, but my friend let me listen to his and now I'm hooked and gettin into some of their earlier stuff as well.

O.K., now i have a question for everyone. Do you think it would be cool to see Jim, Mick and Corey do an acoustic album together? I do because of the wway the acoustic stuff turned out on Vol. 3.

hm, i dunno, dont listen to much slipknot..should i bother listening to them?

It would be cool for Stonesour to do that, with mick as a guest. But not Slipknot. But if they did i guess that would be cool, especially if corey was sreaming.

One thing I just noticed on Vol.3 is the syncronization(so I cant spell) between Corey and the guitars.Its crazy.Jim and Mick do these little changes that go with Corey's words.Most of the songs on it are like that.

[QUOTE=relliK]One thing I just noticed on Vol.3 is the syncronization(so I cant spell) between Corey and the guitars.Its crazy.Jim and Mick do these little changes that go with Corey's words.Most of the songs on it are like that.[/QUOTE]

You mean harmony?

:lol:

There you go.

[QUOTE=eggs'n'spam]hm, i dunno, dont listen to much slipknot..should i bother listening to them?[/QUOTE]

Yes, by all means. but, get started with vol.3 and then move on to the older stuff, becuase if you dont then you'll be brainwashed into thinkin that Vol. 3 sux when it doesnt AT ALL.

Start with Mate. Feed. Kill. Repeat.

You won't want to listen to any of the other albums.

Not anything againest you or Slipknot, they are my favorite band, but everyone says Mate. Feed. Kill. Repeat. was their best album.I recently got a copy of it from a friend and it wasn't the best I have heard in my opinion.
I could under stand if its just cause they hate a different vocalist.(I just read that paranoid guy hates corey)

OK so lets talk about Slipknot's new video for the song Vermillion.

if you havent seen it, you can download it from
[URL]http://www.urbanchaosvideos.com[/URL]
(go to downloads page, then its the third one down- right click>Save target as)

In the middle video the members of slipknot reveal their real faces (sort of)

they put on painted latex masks that are moulds of their real faces, so they can reveal themselfs with out taking off a 'mask'.

I feel with the bands obvious maturity on the new album that they want to be maskless but feel they would be labelled as sell-outs and lose fans etc. Especially after saying 'the day we take the masks off is the day Slipknot comes to and end'... I think they've grown past the masks now and just want to be known as musicicans... this is backed up in the new Vermilion video where they got past this by wearing masks of their own faces, so that they could not be picked on for going maskless. What do you think?

sorry to change sub
Did you hear about Craig have to leave the European tour? And Sid is going to do the samples and stuff while he is gone.

[QUOTE=paper2302]Not anything againest you or Slipknot, they are my favorite band, but everyone says Mate. Feed. Kill. Repeat. was their best album.I recently got a copy of it from a friend and it wasn't the best I have heard in my opinion.[/QUOTE]

Most of the reasons I like MFKR is because I think Corey is horrible and can't stand him. I think all of the members of the band perform great on the album, it's got a diverse feel to it. The funky stuff like Do Nothing/Bitchslap is really interesting.

It's the only slipknot album I really like, although I'll give the s/t a spin once in a while but only about half the tracks. Iowa & Vol 3 suck.

About the video, its a good video. And it was wierd how they did that with the masks. I remember an article on a site that when mudvayne stopped doing the make up and stuff they felt like they could play better and make better music. But with Slipknot its opposite,like they said what was in your post(leo) they would end.

Do nothing/bitchslap is a great song cause you can tell they have a bassist along with the rest of the songs.

Heh, yeah. You wonder where he is on the other ones.

After you said something about Do nothing/bitchslap i was listening to it and if that is Paul about 2:50 sec in the song,that bass line was really really cool.I wish their bassist would do stuff like that now.