Alright, I'm guilty of posting in here quite a bit, but all I can say is that I like most of the users in here, which would constantly bring me back to it :upset:

Well, what's the difference between having one here, or having one somewhere else? You're saying you don't like it in R&M, but it's ok somewhere else. I see not the point, being that no matter where it is you can choose not to come in it. I guess I just don't see what it's hurting. If we get rid of this all the other Official threads will be come chat rooms for people, which I've noticed, has already become quite a problem. I go into the Classic Rock or Iron Maiden threads (random examples) and people are in there talking about doing acid, what their favorite food is and other sh[size=2]i[/size]t like that.

Look, I've never met anyone I didn't like in this thread (except for Exit*cough*Sandman), and the old thread had great memories, since it was when I started talking to you all. But seriously, 4195 posts in 10 and a half days is a bit rich, you have to agree. We'll let the mods decide though. You guys can fight for this thread's sanctitiy if you want, but make sure it is in the Problems thread, since I don't want any party to be passed over.

[QUOTE=cjborton]Well, what's the difference between having one here, or having one somewhere else? You're saying you don't like it in R&M, but it's ok somewhere else. I see not the point, being that no matter where it is you can choose not to come in it. I guess I just don't see what it's hurting. If we get rid of this all the other Official threads will be come chat rooms for people, which I've noticed, has already become quite a problem. I go into the Classic Rock or Iron Maiden threads (random examples) and people are in there talking about doing acid, what their favorite food is and other sh[size=2]i[/size]t like that.[/QUOTE]

No one is going to delete the Pit. And I don't care what goes on in there, since it isn't a music forum. However, even those examples you mentioned still fall under my disagreement. They shouldn't be just chat rooms, but they do serve a purpose other than free-form chat. This thread has no other purpose. The difference between here and the Pit is that this forum is a music forum. I'm not complaining about the way people post their own thoughts in this thread, I'm complaining that it is being posted in the wrong way, and that since people are unwilling to change posting habits, with the exception of Lucas ;), that something needs to be done.

I AM NOT ON A VENDETTA PEOPLE... I MEAN, I FRIGGIN LIKE ALL OF YOU, AND I CONSIDER MOST OF YOU MATES. GIMME A LITTLE SLACK HERE, AND READ MY POSTS.

[QUOTE=Cain]thread nurse[/QUOTE]
I called you that because you revived the thread.

[QUOTE=HeavyRiva]No one is going to delete the Pit. And I don't care what goes on in there, since it isn't a music forum. However, even those examples you mentioned still fall under my disagreement. They shouldn't be just chat rooms, but they do serve a purpose other than free-form chat. This thread has no other purpose. The difference between here and the Pit is that this forum is a music forum. I'm not complaining about the way people post their own thoughts in this thread, I'm complaining that it is being posted in the wrong way, and that since people are unwilling to change posting habits, with the exception of Lucas ;), that something needs to be done.

I AM NOT ON A VENDETTA PEOPLE... I MEAN, I FRIGGIN LIKE ALL OF YOU, AND I CONSIDER MOST OF YOU MATES. GIMME A LITTLE SLACK HERE, AND READ MY POSTS.[/QUOTE]

Well, I agree 75%, and the other 25% that doesn't is completely due to the fact that I see all the music threads, which is your/our goal to preserve, becoming chat rooms, worse than they already are.

[QUOTE=HeavyRiva]No one is going to delete the Pit. And I don't care what goes on in there, since it isn't a music forum. However, even those examples you mentioned still fall under my disagreement. They shouldn't be just chat rooms, but they do serve a purpose other than free-form chat. This thread has no other purpose. The difference between here and the Pit is that this forum is a music forum. I'm not complaining about the way people post their own thoughts in this thread, I'm complaining that it is being posted in the wrong way, and that since people are unwilling to change posting habits, with the exception of Lucas ;), that something needs to be done.

I AM NOT ON A VENDETTA PEOPLE... I MEAN, I FRIGGIN LIKE ALL OF YOU, AND I CONSIDER MOST OF YOU MATES. GIMME A LITTLE SLACK HERE, AND READ MY POSTS.[/QUOTE]

I won't post spam in this thread when there's something other than spam to respond to, is basically what I was saying. :) It doesn't seem to be the thread's natural inclination to do that, though. But you want a discussion, I'll write essays. But I'm not going to waste my time if the thread's attention span is too short to read them.

Thanks for the vote of confidence, Jason. :) I'm really not all that annoyed, just sad and mildly pissed off that this is the direction it's taken.

Me and Vince and Cain have had some pretty good discussions, I remember two from the old thread.

The problem is, AH seems to be opposed to it :-\ and he and madey probably around for 90% of the thread's spam.

I think a big problem is that some people will drop out of discussions they have no interest in, while others will change the topic if they're not interested in it. That really is just posting for posting's sake guys. I'm probably guilty of it too, it's a hard habit to break, but if you don't have something to add to the current discussion, don't change the discussion, browse some other threads and then come back. If I don't have something to post now, I don't. It's the main reason I'm not at the top of this thread post wise like I was in the other one. There are a lot of people who post in this thread, and a lot of them only pop in for some discussions but not others, while others try to dominate every discussion, and I think that could end. This community thread is also different from, say, the punk community thread, which I think is a much better one. Though not all are immune as pop punk's is as bad as this one imo. I prefer it when we have something to discuss I can participate in, but more often than not when we do it gets derailed and I end up wandering off elsewhere. We also need to cut down on the greeting stuff. It's better to read where the chat's at and jump in than to derail the current topic. If the chat is dead it's better to say "Hey guys, today was a great day, I discovered ____ band and they're awesome" or "I just learned how to play ____ lick" but don't just greet, give it a direction.

[QUOTE=Cain]...I'm really not all that annoyed, just sad and mildly pissed off that this is the direction it's taken.[/QUOTE]

My thoughts as well. And it seems like it's only gotten really bad in like the last 3 or 4 months. In the first months after I joined here I remember the thread moving slower and having a bit more intelligent conversation. But now it's just taken a nose dive into trash.

Well, I can provide this as an example to back up Lucas' post. I posted a rather large argument on the philosphy of space, etc in this thread, and I recieved three direct replies. Two said something along the lines of "Too long, my head hurts", and one was just a cop out. All three people who wrote these replies were e-friends of mine, so I am not picking on people I hate. What I hated was that people ignored that post in favour of a post of some inconsequential nature, but consisted of maybe 5 words. I think it was someone saying "sup thread, I've been at school".

Chris, I know what you mean, and I am happy to work on a solution to your issue. However, I think that 90% of me wants to see this thread change or be closed.

The other 10% is based completely on your reservations. Also, you guys are breaking my heart. :(

[QUOTE=MXican]I called you that because you revived the thread.[/QUOTE]

I understand, but it was presented in a way (with the word "tr00" indicating a thought that I was being elitist) that set me up for stupid defensive remarks of "This is the community thread, we'll talk about whatever we want," from other users, which I did not appreciate because made an effort to change the course of the thread seem like an excercise in futility. This is what annoyed me more than the remark itself, which at the time I understood to be pretty much light-hearted.

I'll follow Riva and say that I too like everybody on here and that's the truth. I love coming into the community thread and touching base with everyone, since you all have my respect and I'd like to think that I even have yours, from a few of you. But at the same time the unnamed few could be much better users than they're acting. It's just sad that there's so much intelligence that only seems to be put to use in pointing out grammar mistakes in the posts of newer users, and never to talking about anything substantial, at least within the thread.

[QUOTE=HeavyRiva]Well, I can provide this as an example to back up Lucas' post. I posted a rather large argument on the philosphy of space, etc in this thread, and I recieved three direct replies. Two said something along the lines of "Too long, my head hurts", and one was just a cop out. All three people who wrote these replies were e-friends of mine, so I am not picking on people I hate. What I hated was that people ignored that post in favour of a post of some inconsequential nature, but consisted of maybe 5 words. I think it was someone saying "sup thread, I've been at school".

Chris, I know what you mean, and I am happy to work on a solution to your issue. However, I think that 90% of me wants to see this thread change or be closed.

The other 10% is based completely on your reservations. Also, you guys are breaking my heart. :([/QUOTE]

What you posted was admittedly beyond my grasp, I must say.

As someone who wants to get into politics eventually, I can't say that field stirs my interest all that much.

EDIT: The philosophy of space post you made a little while back, not what you just posted. Felt like clearing that up ahead of time.

[QUOTE=Cain]I understand, but it was presented in a way (with the word "tr00" indicating a thought that I was being elitist) that set me up for stupid defensive remarks of "This is the community thread, we'll talk about whatever we want," from other users, which I did not appreciate because made an effort to change the course of the thread seem like an excercise in futility. This is what annoyed me more than the remark itself, which at the time I understood to be pretty much light-hearted. [/QUOTE]
That was not the way it was intended to come out and I apologies.

Maybe the mods should just start banning people for excessively spamming instead of just closing it?

Well I am off now so good bye :wave:

[QUOTE=Illmatic]Me and Vince and Cain have had some pretty good discussions, I remember two from the old thread.

The problem is, AH seems to be opposed to it :-\ and he and madey probably around for 90% of the thread's spam.[/QUOTE]

I'm calling you on that one. I like you a lot, Ray, and you're a real intelligent guy, but the quarrel between you and AH a few pages back is no cause for accusing Jom and especially madey, of all people, of being responsible for the bulk of the spam. You are constantly in here and constantly spamming in various ways.

I didn't want to get into this name-calling act. I am merely coming to the defense of two people who aren't here to defend themselves. I would appreciate some maturity here and say let's not turn this into a finger-pointing fest.

I will add, however, that AH, for whatever faults he may have in this thread, at leasts posts in other threads of far greater number than you do. This was not always the case with you, but it has become that way, it seems to me.

Well, I spam a lot too, but I mostly follow their example. I'm far from perfect. I often just follow the flow of the thread, so when AH and madey get their respective things going, then I just get caught up in it too.

I often fall victim to the American mindset of "Eh, I can't change anything", so when I see spamming in this thread, I take part in it instead of trying to change the subject. Because I see myself as being a poster of little importance on MX, so I often convince myself that even if I try to change the subject people will ignore it in lieu of a discussion started by a poster of greater importance (ie, an AH or a zepfan).

I would like to post in other threads here, but a few of them don't pique my interests, and the others are too far along for my posts to contain anything of consequence. This is also true in Politics and World News, which is irritating because I would like to post in there, but the threads I do want to post in are so big that it is too late for me to post anything that contains a fresh viewpoint.

EDIT: It is more than just a "finger-pointing-fest", anyhow. When me and Vince were having a debate/discussion as to whether man is just too lazy or too selfish or whatever, AH kicked up quite a fuss and threatened to not post in the [old] thread anymore.

EDIT 2: [url]http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7133099&postcount=49240[/url]
[url]http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7133162&postcount=49244[/url]
[url]http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7133387&postcount=49263[/url]

[QUOTE=Illmatic]Well, I spam a lot too, but I mostly follow their example. I'm far from perfect. I often just follow the flow of the thread, so when AH and madey get their respective things going, then I just get caught up in it too.

I often fall victim to the American mindset of "Eh, I can't change anything", so when I see spamming in this thread, I take part in it instead of trying to change the subject. Because I see myself as being a poster of little importance on MX, so I often convince myself that even if I try to change the subject people will ignore it in lieu of a discussion started by a poster of greater importance (ie, an AH or a zepfan).

I would like to post in other threads here, but a few of them don't pique my interests, and the others are too far along for my posts to contain anything of consequence. This is also true in Politics and World News, which is irritating because I would like to post in there, but the threads I do want to post in are so big that it is too late for me to post anything that contains a fresh viewpoint.[/QUOTE]

You're not of little importance in this thread. You're a regular here. You get respect just for showing your face and not stepping on too many toes, and on top of that I know for a fact that you have great things to talk about. Hell, I've still got that post you made on the pressures young black Americans feel to "act black" saved on my desktop. I certainly consider you a friend, a position with a lot of importance.

And the only thing that truly contributes to the ideas that discussion topics will be ignored is because they always are, which feeds the tendency to not start any, which makes them more ignored, etc.. Well, guys, suck it up and start caring, or spam in the Pit. If you have nothing to talk about, quit talking about nothing.

That's all for tonight. I'll see you folks tomorrow. :)

EDIT: AH has also matured considerably about that. He's no stranger to being yelled at for hindering a discussion with complaints, and he is intelligent and kind enough to understand that to gain the respect of the users he wants it from, he should act a bit more intelligently. And in my experience of past weeks, he more than has.

It's impossible to place the blame for spam on any users individually. I think instead of finger pointing we should work on self-control, it's much more useful and effective. Spam happens, but once someone points it out, it needs to stop. That doesn't always happen. Basically if we can't moderate ourselves I'm all for a spam=ban policy in here. I also think we'd need to enforce it where ban=no new account too. But this problem can be solved without mod intervention.

[QUOTE=zeppelinfan2k3]It's impossible to place the blame for spam on any users individually. I think instead of finger pointing we should work on self-control, it's much more useful and effective. Spam happens, but once someone points it out, it needs to stop. That doesn't always happen. Basically if we can't moderate ourselves I'm all for a spam=ban policy in here. I also think we'd need to enforce it where ban=no new account too. But this problem can be solved without mod intervention.[/QUOTE]

Agreed.

[QUOTE=zeppelinfan2k3]It's impossible to place the blame for spam on any users individually. I think instead of finger pointing we should work on self-control, it's much more useful and effective. Spam happens, but once someone points it out, it needs to stop. That doesn't always happen. Basically if we can't moderate ourselves I'm all for a spam=ban policy in here. I also think we'd need to enforce it where ban=no new account too. But this problem can be solved without mod intervention.[/QUOTE]

We vowed these same things long ago but everyone (myself included) keeps sliding back into bad habits. :(

And I'm probably the poster child of everything that is wrong with this thread, so I'm not trying to absolve myself here.

[QUOTE=Illmatic]We vowed these same things long ago but everyone (myself included) keeps sliding back into bad habits. :(

And I'm probably the poster child of everything that is wrong with this thread, so I'm not trying to absolve myself here.[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't go that far. It's just a bad habit. No one's the poster child of everything wrong with the thread. Everybody just needs a little more awareness and use of their brains, and less autopilot posting in this one single thread.

Well, really, how hard is it to talk about something worthwhile if we make a goal of it. You come into the thread, if nothing decent is being talked about, spark something up. "Hey guys, what are your thoughts of the Pledge of Allegance being taken out of schools? I think..." . And if you are one to reply to such an inquery, reply with a good answer and not a "I don't want to read all that" or "I think it sucks". And with enough of us doing this, it will hinder those who will try to change the subject or spam. Just a thought.

[QUOTE=Illmatic]We vowed these same things long ago but everyone (myself included) keeps sliding back into bad habits. :(

And I'm probably the poster child of everything that is wrong with this thread, so I'm not trying to absolve myself here.[/QUOTE]
That's a rather large generalization. I feel a lot of older regs have been posting here less and regulating themselves more, I think it's some of the newer people who are still sliding into this habit for the most part.

I think that instead of allowing yourself to slide in, you just need to remind yourself and everyone else when it is becoming spammy. I know sometimes we're blind to it, but usually someone sees it and just needs to say so.

Anyways, I'm beat. Night.

Alot of the problem is that alot of the time people can't be bothered with heavy discussion.

I'm actually really glad this kind of discussion started up... It seems kind of ironic that I started an argument for the closure of this thread, and the exact thing I was rallying for has started up again. You guys reminded me of why I like this forum so much. :D

[QUOTE=HeavyRiva]I'm actually really glad this kind of discussion started up... It seems kind of ironic that I started an argument for the closure of this thread, and the exact thing I was rallying for has started up again. You guys reminded me of why I like this forum so much. :D[/QUOTE]

Heh, I was going to point out the irony too...And really, no matter what we're talking about, this kind of conversation is much more enjoyable. My interest in the thread tonight has obviously been a hell of a lot higher than normal because there's something that's actually worth reading and replying too, rather than the normal hellos and goodbyes. I would love this thread if it were like this more often.

I love discussion and debating and also things such as random YSI's to hopefully spark some discussion on the song or band...

Lately I have noticed people have just pretty much ignored the uploads that people do...make some grounds for discussion to go along with them, don't ignore them.

I am all for less spam and more quality discussion. The lack of substance in this thread have driven me away from this thread over the past few month, and I wish it would return to the glory days.

Also a perfect example of discussion + community feel is the Death Heads Thread. Every one knows each other, some time there is talk about their personal lives and events and such, but there is still alot of discussion on the music and alot of helping members in that thread. But there is no "omg hi2u" posts every page...

Not every thing in this thread has to be an essay on every post, still can have the community feel of "what's up guys" type of posts and such, but if that's all you are going to post, don't post at all. If you have something to add, then add it in with your topic at hand. You don't have to lose the whole community feel of the thread and such, just keep it a bit more intelligent instead of "omg hi2u lolz".

Just think before you post and try and spark some conversation instead of dull it even more.

So, Bobo, have you seen the episodes of the liscenced Naruto yet? Based on [URL=http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=145]this[/URL] comic, it must be pretty bad.
Right now I'm on episode 119... I really like this saga. It sucks about Neji though :( How far ahead are you on the mangas?

I have reached a new low. I'm playing Neopets again. :upset:


NP: Immortal - Heart of Winter

i had a constructive afternoon...
i wrote the titles to fourteen cradle of filth songs around my arm until I ran out of arm...
boredom is a slight problem here methinks