[QUOTE=victim of changes]good point but the southern styles was more hetfield than anyone if burton was still there things might have shaped out differently.[/QUOTE]
Maybe, you didn't see the rest of the band shaping james' "southern stlyes" though did you? So maybe Cliff wouldn't have been able to change anything.

[QUOTE=kamikaze148]yeah i can agree with both of you with the point about cliffs musical direction. i just feel that if he were around today metallica would have taken a different direction...it would have been interesting to see.

i just find it interesting that metallicas downfall came as a result of cliffs death. true fans may deviate from this...but IMO the other albums dont have the same energy as the the 1980's cds. hopefully rob T. brings something new and interesting to metallicas style. a bit hesitant for there new realease tho :confused:[/QUOTE]

I understood Rob T. isn't with them anymore.
Not sure though.

metallica sux

Cool.

[QUOTE]Origanally Posted By [B]Rats![/B]
metallica sux[/QUOTE]
No they don't.
Dude that baby avatar is so fuking creepy.

[QUOTE=Enlighten Me]I understood Rob T. isn't with them anymore.
Not sure though.[/QUOTE]
Uhh, yeah he still is. They've only had him for 3 years.

My bad. :|

[QUOTE=Enlighten Me]My bad. :|[/QUOTE]

Maybe Jason you're thinking of? Awesome avatar btw!

[QUOTE=Father_Jack]Yes.
N.P. Iced Earth - Stand Alone[/QUOTE]


I love Iced Earth, you can't beat the rhythm of Jon. Only if I could play like that.

[QUOTE=Jred250]Maybe Jason you're thinking of? Awesome avatar btw![/QUOTE]

Actually i was thinking of robert, i heard a rumour somewhere.
bitchin' ain't it? :p

I sometimes think Iam the ownly person who likes Load & Reload.:(

Load and Reload are good listens sometimes. The songs have a real catch and choruses that you almost just have to sing along too...

"Where's your croooooown kiiiing nothiiiing!"

[QUOTE=Jred250]The band only played that music because that is what the demand was for at that current time. Being a musician is more like being a salesman! You have to provide the fans/customers with the music they want. Thats why you have phases of different genres. People liked metal at the time of Metallica's creation.[/QUOTE]
That has to be one of the most ridiculous things I've read on the subject of music. People who view music simply as a commodity to be sold rather as meaningful art to be produced through inspiration and innovation is the reason why they're so much **** like Ashlee Simpsons flying off the store shelves.

As for Metallica, I doubt that when they were a bunch of pimply-faced teenagers, they sat down and said "gee fellas, you know, I think this heavy-metal stuff could really sell, so let's do that instead of being country singers". Heavy metal was the style of music that reached them personally and that they felt passionate about, and that's why they played it. Not because of a calculated business decision.

[QUOTE=BurtonChancellor]That has to be one of the most ridiculous things I've read on the subject of music. People who view music simply as a commodity to be sold rather as meaningful art to be produced through inspiration and innovation is the reason why they're so much **** like Ashlee Simpsons flying off the store shelves.

As for Metallica, I doubt that when they were a bunch of pimply-faced teenagers, they sat down and said "gee fellas, you know, I think this heavy-metal stuff could really sell, so let's do that instead of being country singers". Heavy metal was the style of music that reached them personally and that they felt passionate about, and that's why they played it. Not because of a calculated business decision.[/QUOTE]
exactly what I was thinking. I don't think they were even really SELLING OUT, per se, when they went all.. country rock. they were all already super-rich from the older albums, i think they just wanted to try something new because they had enough of a following and enough funds to be able to take that risk.

[QUOTE=Enlighten Me]Actually i was thinking of robert, i heard a rumour somewhere.
bitchin' ain't it? :p[/QUOTE]
Yeah I heard he died too :confused:

[QUOTE=Flower Dance]Yeah I heard he died too :confused:[/QUOTE]

Lawl

[QUOTE=BurtonChancellor]That has to be one of the most ridiculous things I've read on the subject of music. People who view music simply as a commodity to be sold rather as meaningful art to be produced through inspiration and innovation is the reason why they're so much **** like Ashlee Simpsons flying off the store shelves.

As for Metallica, I doubt that when they were a bunch of pimply-faced teenagers, they sat down and said "gee fellas, you know, I think this heavy-metal stuff could really sell, so let's do that instead of being country singers". Heavy metal was the style of music that reached them personally and that they felt passionate about, and that's why they played it. Not because of a calculated business decision.[/QUOTE]

You clearly miss - understood what I was on about. around the Metallica birth there was nothing but METAL in the scene. To go on stage and play ballet music would just result in the removal of your testicles!

And we are also not talking about the teenage metallica as such. Back then they were just a bunch of wasted teens having a good time... I mean more from the beginning of the Black Album days when the band started to be considered 'Professional''.

[QUOTE=Rats!]my band sux[/QUOTE]
there you go:thumb:

and yeah, i seriously doubt that tallica did anything for the money to begin with. they werent aware that they were about to be launched to a commercial level.

[QUOTE=Enlighten Me]Lawl[/QUOTE]
It was a serious thing going around the internet. I kinda believed it until i went to metallica.com

Oh, i was positive that you were joking :D

[QUOTE=Enlighten Me]Oh, i was positive that you were joking :D[/QUOTE]



So Metallica fans are so freekin bored that they have to say someone died just to keep a conversation going?



so what's up Tallica thread? I learned the Blackened solo's ;) I'll try to record them after my next guitar lesson.

I've been kinda learning the RTL solo.
I'm ill right now so i don't really wanna play.

[QUOTE=Jred250]You clearly miss - understood what I was on about. around the Metallica birth there was nothing but METAL in the scene. To go on stage and play ballet music would just result in the removal of your testicles!

And we are also not talking about the teenage metallica as such. Back then they were just a bunch of wasted teens having a good time... I mean more from the beginning of the Black Album days when the band started to be considered 'Professional''.[/QUOTE]
You've also misunderstood what I was saying. I was commenting more on your general contention that being a musician is like being a salesman, and that you have to write music based on what you think your fans are going to like. Personally, I think we'd all be far better off if everybody who feels that way about music put down their instruments forever and just disappeared like a fart in the wind.

And as for Metallica specifically, whether or not they "sold out" or were simply seeking to continue to progess musically and creatively, as they also did from Kill 'Em All through to Justice is an endless argument that I don't particularly care to engage in. The bottom line is that their musical progression since the beginning of the 90's, whatever its motivations, has produced more than its share of ****ty music.

[QUOTE=Britton]
I learned the Blackened solo's ;) I'll try to record them after my next guitar lesson.[/QUOTE]

When will it be?

[QUOTE=BurtonChancellor]The bottom line is that their musical progression since the beginning of the 90's, whatever its motivations, has produced more than its share of ****ty music.[/QUOTE]
not really.

shítty music is a very subjective subject. ie, St. Anger isn't their best album, but i still like it, and it's way better than what a lot of other bands could put out.

Personally I think they were sell outs from day one. Let me explain this a little bit. You have 4 broke people who are trying to make money so they can have money to live doing what they enjoy. Now they have to do their very best to sell records. Meaning doing what is popular at the time. Now there you have two directions. You can A.) Do the now thing or B.) Doing something that will start the now thing. Remember that hair/glam metal was popular but so was underground music.

Kill 'Em All started them off so they could move along the country. Ride the Lightning made it so they could buy stuff that they couldn't before. Master of Puppets put them on the map. This would probably be there biggest break. Starting Statium tours and headlining tours. Money was flowing in like a mother f**ker. ...And Justice For All made them a main stay. The Black Album put them in the lime light.

All of that would be their 'sell out' stuff. After all of that money became nothing to them. So making a record to sell very well wouldn't really help or hurt them. They had already made it so in-turn they had the freedom to do whatever they wanted because A.) They had the fan base to support them B.) They had already set themselves as a band C.) They had more then enough money to suit their needs. D.) Endorsements.

So then the tide turns and they can now put out stuff that they like and music for themselves. This then creates Load, ReLoad and St. Anger. These albums are Metallica's musical freedom and expression for themselves. This is also called Metallica's 'selling out' point, when it actually is the bolt cutter to the chains that started them as a band who was 'selling out'.

The problem with everything from Load to St. Anger is people are still looking for albums like Kill 'Em All to the Black Album. If another band made that album as their first then people would like it more. The problem is people don't like change and Metallica is a band that changed.

i don't even like KEA that much anymore. i like the songs, but the production puts me right off them, and James' singing on that album is hardly great.

[QUOTE=Soul_Under_Arrest]Personally I think they were sell outs from day one. Let me explain this a little bit. You have 4 broke people who are trying to make money so they can have money to live doing what they enjoy. Now they have to do their very best to sell records. Meaning doing what is popular at the time. Now there you have two directions. You can A.) Do the now thing or B.) Doing something that will start the now thing. Remember that hair/glam metal was popular but so was underground music.

Kill 'Em All started them off so they could move along the country. Ride the Lightning made it so they could buy stuff that they couldn't before. Master of Puppets put them on the map. This would probably be there biggest break. Starting Statium tours and headlining tours. Money was flowing in like a mother f**ker. ...And Justice For All made them a main stay. The Black Album put them in the lime light.

All of that would be their 'sell out' stuff. After all of that money became nothing to them. So making a record to sell very well wouldn't really help or hurt them. They had already made it so in-turn they had the freedom to do whatever they wanted because A.) They had the fan base to support them B.) They had already set themselves as a band C.) They had more then enough money to suit their needs. D.) Endorsements.

So then the tide turns and they can now put out stuff that they like and music for themselves. This then creates Load, ReLoad and St. Anger. These albums are Metallica's musical freedom and expression for themselves. This is also called Metallica's 'selling out' point, when it actually is the bolt cutter to the chains that started them as a band who was 'selling out'.[/QUOTE]

Dude wtf do you mean popular? Metallica was one of the first great thrash bands out there and were pretty darn original.