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arrrrgh ****

trust me the neighbourhood kids punish me and my housemates enough

[QUOTE=Bruce E Kinesis;17943910]
"where did hendrix get hold of 40 year old transistors?"[/QUOTE]

I heard the same joke only with aged wood in Jimi's Strat. More evidence that it's all in the fingers imo.

I think the [i]personality[/i] of our playing has more of an effect on our opinion of the tone than we realize. I would include picking and fretting force in personality as well.

[QUOTE=JCBitB;17944128]I heard the same joke only with aged wood in Jimi's Strat. More evidence that it's all in the fingers imo.

I think the [i]personality[/i] of our playing has more of an effect on our opinion of the tone than we realize. I would include picking and fretting force in personality as well.[/QUOTE]

again, fretting force will only affect pitch if you're playing with proper technique

We're recording drums this weekend, is this good enough?

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I only ask because I don't feel like dragging my huge rig to my drummers place

most players with memorable tone also have great technique. Is this because they learned how to dial in their amps better than us while spending so many years perfecting technique, or does technique have something to do with that more directly? It's a bit of both, sure, but which one does the [i]most[/i] for your tone?

It's kind of a "chicken or the egg?" debate.

Are you bringing some outboard pre's? Or are you only using the 8 stock pre's?

You can get by with 8, but you might want a few more if you're going for a super modern "close mic EVERYTHING" sound

[QUOTE=JCBitB;17944170]most players with memorable tone also have great technique. Is this because they learned how to dial in their amps better than us while spending so many years perfecting technique, or does technique have something to do with that more directly? It's a bit of both, sure, but which one does the [i]most[/i] for your tone?

It's kind of a "chicken or the egg?" debate.[/QUOTE]
i dont think you understand what i'm saying

if you play with proper technique your left (fretting) hand shouldnt be affecting the tone apart from when using harmonics or muting

[QUOTE=JCBitB;17944173]Are you bringing some outboard pre's? Or are you only using the 8 stock pre's?

You can get by with 8, but you might want a few more if you're going for a super modern "close mic EVERYTHING" sound[/QUOTE]

Just that, I'm not sure how many mics we'll be able to get our hands on either but his kit isn't a huge lawlzerz metal kit either, 2 toms etc

I was rushing and got a bit loose with my wording, so yes, you're right. I don't really look at proper technique as "endgame" where good tone can start to develop tho, I look at technique as something you're always perfecting along with your tone. But this comes down to much more than fretting hand pressure or anything just one hand is doing, so it's my fault for oversimplifying.

[QUOTE=viciouscycle;17944188]Just that, I'm not sure how many mics we'll be able to get our hands on either but his kit isn't a huge lawlzerz metal kit either, 2 toms etc[/QUOTE]

You do want a "modern" sound tho right? By my count, you'd have room for a Kick Mic, FOK mic, Snare, 2 toms, 2 OH, and one channel left over for either under the snare, a spot mic on hats/ride, or a room mic. Not a bad place to start, although I'd have a hard time deciding which source I should use that last channel on. Maybe move FOK out a ways so it does what you'd want a room mic to do... Hard to guess, not having heard your music/drummer.

Honestly tho, with a good drummer that knows how to tune his drums, it's gonna be hard to screw it up unless you've got phase problems. Have fun man, I loooove recording drums

This will probably come in handy too, on mixdown. [url]http://www.gearslutz.com/board/so-much-gear-so-little-time/167978-drum-mixing-techniques-pros.html[/url]
That first reply is gold... Can't wait to try some of it when I get home

Thanks man. We play modern-ish rock, but not like that helps. He knows he needs new skins, not sure if he went through with it or not. This was meant to be a myspace recording thing but knowing me it's gonna be demo worthy or more hopefully (ocd). Apparently we have 5 mics plus kick and OH, so we should be able to nail a fairly good sounds recording

I don't know the exact specs on the mics we got either so once I find out I'll probably do some google hunting to see what I can do with them. I have a pretty good idea what I'm doing but it'll be trial and error for sure

Honestly below a certain level if you don't do anything stupid it'll probably sound fine

micing seperately means you can do a lot of 'repair' work with EQ and compression on individual drums

Most important thing is to get your overheads at a place you're happy with the cymbal sound, you don't have the same oppurtunities postrecording there

Oh god fingers = tone argument again? People really need to understand what actually constitutes as tone, or just read what Fingers is posting.

This is the only place on the internet I've ever heard anybody seriously try to argue than tone comes from the fingers

Tone comes from the soul, maaan.

yeah but the best player can use any soul, ur a bitch if you can only sound good with a certain soul

tone is all in the bridge. tonepros bridge.

i'm so hugely underwhelmed with the periphery cd, it's difficult to express

I always thought tone came from that little knob next to the volume :confused:

[QUOTE=nght5tlkr;17945602]I always thought tone came from that little knob next to the volume :confused:[/QUOTE]

we have a winner

Turn the tone knob to 11.

[QUOTE=JoshIsNumber3;17945506]i'm so hugely underwhelmed with the periphery cd, it's difficult to express[/QUOTE]

Mine hasn't arrived yet, but is the mix on the album as bad as it sounds on the myspace? I honestly can't understand how he could make a final product where everything sounds worse than the home recordings he did 2, 3 years ago.

Sup lod. Went to a huge *** frat party last night, 800 people **** was insane.

[QUOTE=Sad But True;17946121]Mine hasn't arrived yet, but is the mix on the album as bad as it sounds on the myspace? I honestly can't understand how he could make a final product where everything sounds worse than the home recordings he did 2, 3 years ago.[/QUOTE]

HHAHAHAHAHAH omg you BOUGHT it?! hahahaha omg

hahahahah

man thats lame

[QUOTE=Squirrel;17946399]HHAHAHAHAHAH omg you BOUGHT it?! hahahaha omg

hahahahah

man thats lame[/QUOTE]

Yeah, mainly because I like supporting bands that I like. Odd that.

If you'd downloaded it first you'd have known it was mixed badly

just don't listen to **** music that absolutely requires an impeccable mix to have any impact whatsoever and you won't have this problem again

I like music

I just don't really like that shouty nonsense you guys listen to

I used to listen to a lot of death metal and screamy vocal stuff, but I just got really tired of it.

I like singing.

Wow subjectivity. Don't really care but thanks for your input anyway.

I just dented the crap out of a water bottle by accident. Grr.

Oh well, it was only £3.99.

Reduced my SHTF bag by 1/4. Got rid of some dumb **** I didn't need. Not that I need it anyway.

[QUOTE=Sad But True;17946499]Wow subjectivity. Don't really care but thanks for your input anyway.[/QUOTE]

forums


a place where people post essays in isolation for others to ignore

no see this is why metal and all that **** objectively fails

people spend years trying to find a way to present the musical material in a way that's actually listenable and just when they think they've achieved practicable coherence everyone is 'underwhelmed' even tho they've heard all the songs before and know entirely what to expect

everyone bitches about how the guitar forum sucks for discussion and is dominated by the same old gear threads -it's cause no one is ever satisfied with this poopty void in aesthetics in the shape of 'brutality' and 'complexity' because the music has nothing to offer apart from amusing onomatopoeia

it's also why the ratio of good to woefully inept guitar playing on here is shameful

HAVE AT YOU

I bought the new periphery album, it sounds pretty good. Honestly I thought some old mixes were better but it's a pretty solid cd

i hate you all you cunts

Thanks for that. Still not convinced mind.

Alright, so the periphery cd.

Pros: Great songwriting, production on the guitars and the drums. Spencer's growls are pretty amazing in delivery and sound. Glitch stuff was awesome.

Cons: Djent is becoming the new deathcore and everyone and their sister are going to be playing it. While Spencer is technically hitting the notes, they have definitely been tuned in some places and he lacks any real substance in his higher register, it just sounds forced. Bass is pretty inexistant as it's own instrument, there are places where there is a cohesive bass line, but for the most part it is just doubling the guitar parts chugga chugga stop chugga stop chugga. With as much time and effort put into this album, you would think they could do better for the bass than a POD. Also, the album is far too long and it grows tired on the ears.

I'd say it's a 77/100

Thanks dude, but did you honestly like the guitar tone? I thought it was pretty stale and thin sounding tbh.

The djent thing is pretty crappy. I've never been a fan of that sound, the only reason that Meshuggah is able to get a huge sound that way is because they have a real bass player who can fill up that sonic space. So, the distorted tone is really dry and thin, but everything else combined makes for a pleasant listening experience, it's just a shame that it takes 3 great players to make a listenable product.