logic was probably a bad word choice. but my point remains, science doesn't actually contradict the existence of a deity

[QUOTE=Luc214;18394974]science doesn't say that there is no supernatural realm, science just does not concern itself with the possibility of the existence of one

[/QUOTE]

thats the point, if you like science, you understand that the scientific method rules

I've seen p13 say similar things about it

you cannot use it to predict God's existence, so what logical medium do you use then?

[QUOTE=P13;18394978]its actually illogical to to say anything that is beyond the realm of logic

its like talking about what taste looks like



you need to take a math class :lol:[/QUOTE]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reason

"The terms " logic" or " logical" are sometimes used as if they were identical with the term "reason" or with the concept of being " rational"

dont you look stupid now

and uh, what does math have to do with anything

[QUOTE=adb;18394985]thats the point, if you like science, you understand that the scientific method rules

I've seen p13 say similar things about it

you cannot use it to predict God's existence, so what logical medium do you use then?[/QUOTE]

science and logic are inherently insufficient for verifying the existence of anything beyond the natural

so any conclusions about the supernatural are irrational

ur both idiots

/thread

/commits suicide

[QUOTE]science doesn't actually contradict the existence of a deity[/QUOTE]

heard of the scientific method?

[QUOTE]so any conclusions about the supernatural are irrational[/QUOTE]

which is why I'm agnostic

BOY WHAT AN ENGAGING COVERSATION

I need to get ready for work

[QUOTE=adb;18394985]thats the point, if you like science, you understand that the scientific method rules[/quote]

it does but only in the immediate world.

[quote]you cannot use it to predict God's existence, so what logical medium do you use then?[/QUOTE]

well I would say that you're right, there's no logical medium to determine whether or not a deity exists.

however as I said science doesn't deny the possibility of the existence of the supernatural, so it's definitely possible to mix a logical worldview with one of "faith"

[QUOTE=adb;18394996]heard of the scientific method?
[/QUOTE]

the scientific method ignores the possibility of the existence of a supernatural realm

so you cannot use the scientific method to disprove anything beyond the natural world

[QUOTE=adb;18394991]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reason

"The terms " logic" or " logical" are sometimes used as if they were identical with the term "reason" or with the concept of being " rational"

dont you look stupid now

and uh, what does math have to do with anything[/QUOTE]

see edit, for got 2 words (lookin stupid)

and if you look at this mathematically (ie. logically):
let "belief in the supernatural" = X
let "disbelief in the supernatural" = -X (opposite of X, they are both vectors)
if X = irrational, then -X = -irrational which =rational

SO THEN WHAT DO YOU USE TO VERIFY GOD LUC

OH WAIT, YOU CAN'T

z

[QUOTE=adb;18395004]SO THEN WHAT DO YOU USE TO VERIFY GOD LUC

OH WAIT, YOU CAN'T

z[/QUOTE]

exactly

but you can't DISPROVE god using any naturalistic method (science) either

[QUOTE=adb;18394996]

which is why I'm agnostic

BOY WHAT AN ENGAGING COVERSATION

I need to get ready for work[/QUOTE]

yeah this all started because I said you aren't agnostic because you have atheistic tendencies/biases

stop making brent masturbate over this argument again guys it's probably the highlight of his month

HOLY GODDAMN SHIT P13, YOUR MATH IS SO CRAZY

TOO BAD THATS A QUANTIFIED METHOD OF LOGIC AND WE'RE ARGUING QUALITATIVE METHODS - WHICH HAS ANOTHER VARIABLE (i.e. AGNOSTIC)

L2 FALSE DICOTOMY K

g2g to work later

"what does math have to do with anything" and adb thinks hes knows anything about logic

[QUOTE=adb;18395009]HOLY GODDAMN SHIT P13, YOUR MATH IS SO CRAZY

TOO BAD THATS A QUANTIFIED METHOD OF LOGIC AND WE'RE ARGUING QUALITATIVE METHODS WHICH HAS ANOTHER VARIABLE (i.e. AGNOSTIC)[/QUOTE]

you're confusing arithmetic with mathematics

adbs just confused

its like his brain was coded by a grade 11 compsci class
[i]of special kids[/i]

[QUOTE=Anglachel;18395020]adbs just confused

its like his brain was coded by a grade 11 compsci class[/QUOTE]

:lol:

its easy to justify believing in a god theres like so many reasons and none are better than another

atheism isnt any more valid than theism and agnosticism is a step down from both because it means you're a retard who cant form any sort of proper conclusions

nihilism means you're boss

[QUOTE=adb;18395009]HOLY GODDAMN SHIT P13, YOUR MATH IS SO CRAZY

TOO BAD THATS A QUANTIFIED METHOD OF LOGIC AND WE'RE ARGUING QUALITATIVE METHODS - WHICH HAS ANOTHER VARIABLE (i.e. AGNOSTIC)

L2 FALSE DICOTOMY K

g2g to work later[/QUOTE]

its not a false dichotomy if there are only 2 vectors in the set like holy fuck this shit isn't complicated

GOD DAMN I HOPE I GET BANNED ALONG WITH ADB JUST SO HE GETS BANNED
/martyrdom

[QUOTE=P13;18394943]Actually, I implied that you are supposed to side with neither. That's the definition of agnostic

I never said you were stupid, I said that you say that belief in the supernatural is less rational (ie. stupider) than disbelief in the supernatural. Then what I said was either this means you have a tendency to believe that there is nothing supernatural or you have a tendency to believe in [SIZE="7"]irrantional[/SIZE] things (ie [SIZE="7"]be an idiot[/SIZE]).[/QUOTE]

derp

so you're saying that being irrational means being intelligent?

you used the word vector see this is how brents head works

word input "vector"
if input has correlation with mathematics
=> return BLAHBLAH NOT QUALITATIVE
else
=> return THATS WHAT I ALREADY SAID NOW YOU'RE AGREEING WITH ME

but

but

but

mathematics is logic

:sadface:

people think that theres multiple 'logics' and that each applies to certain situations but those people are dumb

[QUOTE=P13;18395036]so you're saying that being irrational means being intelligent?[/QUOTE]

i'm saying that you spelled irrational wrong and called someone else an idiot

Why you guys even bother trying to argue with Brent anymore is beyond me.

i just got some bose speakers

are you saying typos are intended

[QUOTE=blockhead;18395042][B]i'm[/B] saying that you spelled irrational wrong and called someone else an idiot[/QUOTE]

oh hey look I can pick apart posts for typos and claim that the person is stupid because of it

not to mention you didn't even read the post properly. I wasn't calling him an idiot I was saying that someone believing in irrational things makes someone an idiot