Well, whilst you guys get angry i'm going to write a review.

Which album should i do...

Comment! [url]http://www.sputnikmusic.com/album.php?reviewid=3998#comments[/url]

[QUOTE=the2stranger]
so, can we protest aginst this supering thing, or what's the plan?
even "Tender doesn't agree with supering.. you know[/QUOTE]

Not really. DBJ knows I disagree with who/how he mods, and he basically seems not to care.

Does he just Mod the person with the biggest post count and elitist attitude?

No, he mods the people he talks to/is friends with; Ken, NPC, Strum, Liberi, Simple Man..

I happen to agree with morrissey, though I don't think she should be a super yet (I don't think any of the new three should be).

They should Mod me :cool: or Jake :cool:

[QUOTE=Arucard]They should Mod me :cool: or Jake :cool:[/QUOTE]

We don't need a drunken mod, thank you :)

just kiddin', you know I love you man.

NP: Old Man's Child- Born of The Flickering

[QUOTE=Spat Out Plath]Again, I was under the impression all the mods had been supered..[/QUOTE]

They have. They shouldn't have been, though.

I myself have found it slightly odd that four Pit/Site regs have been modded in the past few months--Strum, Liberi, Simple Man, morrissey--and this when Med wasn't even supered (and deserved it, he'd make a great Politics mod), and deserving users such as HeavyRiva haven't been modded at all. I mean, I know that morrissey and Liberi are really helpful users, but the other two? I mean, I may not have noticed the magnificent posting because I haven't been around long enough, but how does Simple Man become a super? I know users have petitioned for Rancid Dan to be made a punk mod. Why are all these ignored while DBJ's friends get supered, especially when the refrain (whenever a mod petition starts) that is constantly relied upon is "We don't want an overload, we don't need any new mods," etc.? And yet all these people get supered just because they're in the "in" crowd. I dunno. It just seems weird. I've been completely surprised by all of the past four modships, with the exception of Liberi. I am also for morrissey, but not as a super (yet). Simple Man and Strum I just don't get.

Someone can feel free to explain it to me, though. :)

EDIT: I didn't neccesarily have a problem with this, but now that I think about it it just seems unfairly skewed. There are plenty of deserving people that get overlooked or outright ignored for consideration in modships, and now even as they say "we have too many mods," three are made all at once, and at least one and maybe two have dubious (IMO) qualifications for the amount of power they're getting.

[QUOTE=Cain]But how does Simple Man become a super?[/quote]

[quote=Cain]DBJ's friends get supered... [a]nd yet all these people get supered just because they're in the "in" crowd.[/QUOTE]

No need to explain it to you, you already have the idea.

[quote=Bartender]They have. They shouldn't have been, though.[/quote]

Right. Everyone started as a local when he/she was first modded, and then moved up to a super. At least, that's how I remember it.

The reason why I made a "Med for super" post in Site a couple months ago is because I felt we needed another super with a STELLAR track record. Besides, he was already a Sputnikmusic mod, so giving him supering powers on MX wouldn't have been that big of a travesty, especially when you look at who's been supered recently.

I think that Dan, Moz, and SM are good people, but the logistics of how this happened is, to be frank, a load of crap. SM has a track record of saying he's leaving MX, and then coming back. Considering their histories, they shouldn't have gotten supered right away.

But you know what, it doesn't matter. I don't interact with them, and they don't mess with me. We all get along fine. It's just the mannerisms about how this was brought about that deserves questioning.

I got ignored, even when I talked to DBJ. Sorry, but I'm not going to call him "Jiji :-*" to try to get my way. I'm not going to hound him. It was an honest suggestion with a moderate amount of support.

But hey, it's politics. :)

[quote=Jom]But hey, it's politics. :)[/quote]
Yeah, I think it's time we had a communist revolution here.

[QUOTE=Jom]No need to explain it to you, you already have the idea.[/QUOTE]

Okay, I just didn't want to make unfounded assumptions. Apparently my impression is more or less accurate, then. :)

[QUOTE]
The reason why I made a "Med for super" post in Site a couple months ago is because I felt we needed another super with a STELLAR track record. Besides, he was already a Sputnikmusic mod, so giving him supering powers on MX wouldn't have been that big of a travesty, especially when you look at who's been supered recently.

I got ignored, even when I talked to DBJ. Sorry, but I'm not going to call him "Jiji :-*" to try to get my way. It was an honest suggestion with a moderate amount of support.

But hey, it's politics. :)[/QUOTE]

That is the biggest thing that I just flat-out don't understand. It would have been so EASY to super Med and give him modding powers in Politics and R+M. And he would have done a damn fine job too. But instead we get a mod overload in exactly the wrong place, and with the wrong people. People are needed elsewhere, and yet their inhabitants are consistently ignored. Meh. Kind of dumb.

As I said, the biggest thing that irks me is that even if I did have a bigger problem with the mod situation, I wouldn't be able to change it by protesting. I find the mod situation strange but not intolerable (as yet). The forced complacency is my real problem, because it seems like nothing can be done about anything by anybody around here unless you're an admin and you feel like it.

[QUOTE]Yeah, I think it's time we had a communist revolution here.[/QUOTE]

Das Übermensche already tried that, I think, and like most user-driven fights for change, it fell flat on its face.

I personally think Simple Man is a douche, that Riva and another R+M regular should be modded (common, 230405055 or whatever his name is is never on), and that Hardcore/Emo should be deleted because all that happens in their is a thread is started such as 'Insert Metalcore Band Here' and the regulars just go in and say 'good band' without any other input.

[QUOTE=Arucard]Hardcore/Emo should be deleted because all that happens in their is a thread is started such as 'Insert Metalcore Band Here' and the regulars just go in and say 'good band' without any other input.[/QUOTE]

[size=5]SIR, HOW [B][I]DARE[/I][/B] YOU HAVE THE AUDACITY TO SUGGEST THAT A FORUM THAT WAS CREATED JUST FOR NICK BE DELETED! SURELY, YOU WILL BE BANNED FOR EVEN THINKING THIS![/SIZE]

teehee i r teh funni

PS: Hey, nice review, by the way. /me votes++

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As for Chris not ever being on: he's usually hangin' out in Guitar or is busy with uni. And he probably has a life to boot, heh. :p

Hahah. That forum is pointless.

Thanks about the review, it took a while but i love the band/album.

In other news im seeing Bloc Party this Saturday.

[QUOTE=Cain]Why are all these ignored while DBJ's friends get supered..?[/QUOTE]

Because DBJ is the admin, and he ultimately decides who to mod.

[QUOTE=Cain]I've been completely surprised by all of the past four modships, with the exception of Liberi. [/QUOTE]

Liberi was the one I was most surprised at, considering his past.

[QUOTE=Cain]There are plenty of deserving people that get overlooked or outright ignored for consideration in modships..[/QUOTE]

To give you an example of how discussion for modship go in the mod forum since DBJ was made an admin and, according to Ken, our "leader".

DBJ: I think it's about time we had a new Pit mod. I suggest Strum.

Ken: Great idea, whatever you think, go for it (this is an optional extra; doesn't always happen).

Mod 1: Yeah, Strum would be okay, but I'd rather go for X. He'd be good.

Mod 2: I'd rather go with X too, yeah.

Mod 3: I wouldn't support X, but I wouldn't go with Strum either. How about Y?

Mod 4: I'm fine with Strum.

Mod 1: Y would be good, but I never really thought of him as a potential mod. I still say X.

*insert two or so pages of discussion amongst mods, in which they arrive at no concensus*

DBJ: Strum it is then! [i]/me mods Strum[/i] Welcome, Strum!

This isn't anything against Strum by the way, he turned out alright as a mod.

I don't see why Ken occasionally comes on and just closes loads of threads and bans people for pointless things.

I'm sick of these conversations because I am always mentioned and it gets my hopes up :(.

[QUOTE=Arucard]I don't see why Ken occasionally comes on and just closes loads of threads and bans people for pointless things.[/QUOTE]

Because you have to punish people! Give em an inch and they'll walk all over you! Punish them enough and all the site's problems will go away!

*continuing, SWAT team, gung-ho cliches*

[QUOTE=Spat Out Plath]Before Strum was a mod he was just a pit spammer, wasn't he?[/QUOTE]

Yeah, he still spams a bit, but not as much.

I really hate the way some of the mods here actually flame more then some of the users, aren't mods supposed to help users and not abuse their powers?

[QUOTE=Bartender]Because DBJ is the admin, and he ultimately decides who to mod.[/QUOTE]

Yeah.

[QUOTE]Liberi was the one I was most surprised at, considering his past.[/QUOTE] That's just me not being around long enough, I guess. I remember hearing vile tales of horrible spam and hacking or something regarding Liberi, but I haven't seen anything of that from him recently. (It also took me a few months to post somewhere else besides R+M's community and official threads, so for much of the end of 2004 I wasn't paying attention). :)



[QUOTE]To give you an example of how discussion for modship go in the mod forum since DBJ was made an admin and, according to Ken, our "leader".

DBJ: I think it's about time we had a new Pit mod. I suggest Strum.

Ken: Great idea, whatever you think, go for it (this is an optional extra; doesn't always happen).

Mod 1: Yeah, Strum would be okay, but I'd rather go for X. He'd be good.

Mod 2: I'd rather go with X too, yeah.

Mod 3: I wouldn't support X, but I wouldn't go with Strum either. How about Y?

Mod 4: I'm fine with Strum.

Mod 1: Y would be good, but I never really thought of him as a potential mod. I still say X.

*insert two or so pages of discussion amongst mods, in which they arrive at no concensus*

DBJ: Strum it is then! [i]/me mods Strum[/i] Welcome, Strum!

This isn't anything against Strum by the way, he turned out alright as a mod.[/QUOTE]

Feh. That's pretty dumb. It sounds like DBJ just comes in with his mind made up. (On the other hand, maybe he has to, considering the "no consensus" part of your post)

This is another reason why I don't understand why the users aren't given more credence in the mod selection process. Sure, this isn't a democracy, but users know how they want to be moderated and I think they're usually pretty accurate in their judgement of who would be good. The whole military concept of "you never want your friends as your commanding officers" would hold here: I think the users would know a less-deserving or appropriate mod when they saw him/her and wouldn't give a sh[size=2]i[/size]t about how popular they were, if ultimately someone was more qualified.

[QUOTE=Spat Out Plath]Before Strum was a mod he was just a pit spammer, wasn't he?[/QUOTE]

I think he still is, to a degree.

[QUOTE=Arucard]I don't see why Ken occasionally comes on and just closes loads of threads and bans people for pointless things.[/QUOTE]

He's kind of a Nazi about his bannings, I think his thread-closing is all right though.

To ashman: I don't like that much either. I just think about CreepingBlack and how he was basically a good user in R+M but got flamed to hell and back in the Pit until he begged for a perm-ban of his account. Now, on the one hand, I did like CB, and I think that he did take the internet (and especially the Pit) a little too seriously. But Christ, couldn't NPC and Burt give the poor kid a break?

[QUOTE=Bartender]Because you have to punish people! Give em an inch and they'll walk all over you! Punish them enough and all the site's problems will go away!

*continuing, SWAT team, gung-ho cliches*[/QUOTE]

Ha, alright. That pretty much explains it. You and 'Peer let us have some fun, and i love 'Peers T:rolleyes::rolleyes:L thing.

[QUOTE=Cain]
That's just me not being around long enough, I guess. I remember hearing vile tales of horrible spam and hacking or something regarding Liberi, but I haven't seen anything of that from him recently.[/QUOTE]

He was never malicious or anything like plexi or AmysVerdict, but in the past he's messed around with embedded code in the CD Reviews forum (because some things were siwtched on there that weren't elsewhere), and made/implemented scripts in links to change people's avatars and user titles (to "Liberi is a sex god"). He's also pretty much plexi's closest friend on MX, which, if he weren't a hypocrite, would rule him out for modship in DBJ's mind straight away (DBJ has all but threatened demodding for even talking to plexi before, for example).

[QUOTE=Cain]Feh. That's pretty dumb. It sounds like DBJ just comes in with his mind made up.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, amongst other things. For the latest three moddings, the thread he made in the mod forum read "Bringing new people on board", and he'd already told Simple Man, Liberi and morrissey that he was going to mod them.

[QUOTE=Bartender]He was never malicious or anything like plexi or AmysVerdict, but in the past he's messed around with embedded code in the CD Reviews forum (because some things were siwtched on there that weren't elsewhere), and made/implemented scripts in links to change people's avatars and user titles (to "Liberi is a sex god"). He's also pretty much plexi's closest friend on MX, which, if he weren't a hypocrite, would rule him out for modship in DBJ's mind straight away (DBJ has all but threatened demodding for even talking to plexi before, for example).[/QUOTE]
I don't have plexi on MSN :shifty:.

[QUOTE=Spat Out Plath]I'm going to start my own message board so I can mod all my friends. Oh wait, I did that before and it sucked. :confused:

And yeah, Strum is still spammy but he's a good mod too. Before he was made a mod, he was one of those useless MattfromCanada types who contributed nothing and showed no actual aptitude for the job.[/QUOTE]
zomg lyk mak3 m0i a adm1nz lawlz!

I know this may sound wierd, but i think that a mod who gets no attention and does such a good job and is insanely helpful in every thread on the forum is REINER in Video Games/Movies. He really knows his stuff, and has helped me out countless times with computer issues.

[QUOTE=Arucard]I know this may sound wierd, but i think that a mod who gets no attention and does such a good job and is insanely helpful in every thread on the forum is REINER in Video Games/Movies. He really knows his stuff, and has helped me out countless times with computer issues.[/QUOTE]

He is indeed quite good. Very knowledgeable, and as you say, no credit.

[quote=Cain]I think that he did take the internet (and especially the Pit) a little too seriously.[/quote]

See, that's the thing... we're all taking this a bit more seriously, possibly more than what's necessary. Why? My guess is (for users like me) that we spend a lot of time on this place, so we treat it more seriously than a Pit whore who comes in for laughs.

I mean, look at all your long-winded posts you've made :)

My guess (for users/supers like Bartender) is in the interest of fairness. They all started out as locals, and after a number of months - and even years - were finally supered.

Now, we have mods who are instantly supered, or locals that were upgraded in a short time.

The two locals-turned-supers who I really like are Gav and Spencer (I0Play0Bass and allofmeoliveme). They're great guys.

But hey, if you talked to Jiji... I mean, DBJ online regularly off of MX, surely you could get whatever it is you asked for.

I mean, again, I don't have a problem with the people themselves, but just the way that things all of a sudden turned out.

It's essentially pissing all over the people who have put in years of service into the site, only to see their efforts and time wasted because Jiji in Indy gets his belly rubbed by Ken and lets others IM him at will and exploit him for power.

[QUOTE=Jom]See, that's the thing... we're all taking this a bit more seriously. Why? My guess is (for users like me) that we spent a lot of time on this place, so we treat it more seriously than a Pit whore.[/QUOTE]

I agree. Same for me. I hate it when people (though they may remain faceless and "anonymous") are dicks, are unfair, and treat other people and their opinions badly. When that happens in a community, even an internet one, I tend to get pretty riled up.

[QUOTE]I mean, look at all your long-winded posts you've made :)[/QUOTE]

Har har. Obviously long-winded=smart. You should know, you write a J.K. Rowling's worth of words with every two weeks of posting. :cool:

[QUOTE]My guess (for users/supers like Bartender) is in the interest of fairness. They all started out as locals, and after a number of months, were finally supered.[/QUOTE]

My way of looking at it is on a more person-by-person basis: I care less about the process to achieve the honor than the persons that ultimately recieve it.

The fact that they were supered all at once does exacerbate the problem, though.

[QUOTE]But hey, if you talked to Jiji... I mean, DBJ online regularly off of MX, surely you could get whatever it is you asked for.

I mean, again, I don't have a problem with the people themselves, but just the way that things all of a sudden turned out.[/QUOTE]

Yeah.

[QUOTE]It's essentially pissing all over the people who have put in years of service into the site, only to see their efforts and time wasted because Jiji in Indy gets his belly rubbed by Ken and lets others IM him at will and exploit him for power.[/QUOTE]

Bleh, I've never even tried IMing him. I care about thoughtful/fun discussion, not circle-jerking. I guess I'll never win Top 100 MXers or be a mod then. Somehow life goes on.

[QUOTE=Spat Out Plath]Don't let him insult you like this, Jom :p[/QUOTE]

It's okay, I just call it jealousy that he didn't get the #1 spot in Yppitola's Top 100 MXers thread, haha.

Of course, Humor is the authoritative person to run that competition, and I definitely wouldn't have the top spot there.

So, you could say that I'm #1 when it comes to making Top 100 MXer lists that don't matter :cool:

[QUOTE=Jom]
My guess (for users/supers like Bartender) is in the interest of fairness. They all started out as locals, and after a number of months - and even years - were finally supered.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, fairness is what I'm concerned about, I suppose. Thanks for capturing it in one word :) Not just in the local-super situation, though; I've no problem with someone being a local for only a few months before being supered - I was modded sometime in July and supered around October, for example (though for the record, JmE spent two years or so as a local before being supered about two months before he left, and Nacho spent three years as a local without ever being supered). I don't like the hypocrisy, nepotism, etc, in general.