[QUOTE=Nepenthe;17484219]its one thing if the dude just wants to be a ****up and keep to himself, but i mean if somebody is going to start bitching at you for drinking orange juice, its kinda nigh time to say something to them.[/QUOTE]There's nothing wrong with saying something , that's not what i was talking about

physically restraining some one is sadistic, though.

my bro used to beat me up all the time when i was little

[QUOTE=Jaundice;17484223]There's nothing wrong with saying something , that's not what i was talking about

physically restraining some one is sadistic, though.[/QUOTE]

letting someone continually run away from their problems is more sadistic if you ask me

how's it sadistic to let some one exercise their free will ?

what you describe sounds selfish and co-dependent

because when a person fails to be able to live their life healthy or properly, especially if it is a detriment to others, theyve proven they cannot freely take care of themselves. and outside influence is needed.

by your logic, drug interventions are some breaking of a persons rights

drug interventions are all fine and dandy if they're given the option to freely turn downthe help you're offering and go on with their life

if you try to force anything though, be it through physical force or law enforcement or whatever, it's pretty much the same thing as rape / torture.

exactly like rape

and torture bro

I pretty sure I almost witnessed a rape the other night.

let's hear details and give advice

my advice for not being raped: give consent.

Long story shot,

- weird guy nobody knows well shows up at party
- sits around and stares at womenz with rapeface
- starts trying to talk girls into sleeping with him

was really weird

uhhhh pretty sure that happens at every party ever

[QUOTE=iarescientists;17484267]uhhhh pretty sure that happens at every party ever[/QUOTE]

this

it was just kinda weird and created an awkward situation. we ended up making the guy leave.

i love that part of parties

whats up biff what you doin today

oh my god not an awkward situation that must have been mildly uncomfortable

[QUOTE=Jaundice;17484232]drug interventions are all fine and dandy if they're given the option to freely turn downthe help you're offering and go on with their life

if you try to force anything though, be it through physical force or law enforcement or whatever, it's pretty much the same thing as rape / torture.[/QUOTE]

thats some seriously flawed logic bro

antonio you's a cool mother****er but we be polarly disagreeing on things.

well seriously, if you think interventions and forcing ****ups to own up to their mistakes is torture, then youve obviously never met an addict or perpetual ****up

I think it's every person's right to **** them self up as much as they possibly can.

No one on Earth knows what's best for any one except for their self.

again, youve obviously never met the kind of people were talking about. 95% of them arent doing what theyre doing by choice.

[QUOTE=Jaundice;17484278]whats up biff what you doin today[/QUOTE]

not much, smoked a blunt after school with some friends and now I'm at home working on some homework.

[QUOTE=iarescientists;17484279]oh my god not an awkward situation that must have been mildly uncomfortable[/QUOTE]

exactly

only food left in my house now is eggs

need to ge ta jerb

[QUOTE=Nepenthe;17484293]again, youve obviously never met the kind of people were talking about. 95% of them arent doing what theyre doing by choice.[/QUOTE]
Even if physical and psychological addiction compels you to do something, you still made a choice.

It may not have been what you really wanted for yourself, but it's what you chose to do under the circumstances.

people should be allowed to kill themselves.

people should be freely allowed to do literally anything they want to do as long as it doesn't physically harm other people.

****, I'd let my best friend kill himself in front of me if it was what he really wanted.

[QUOTE=Ceminon;17484221]Sounds like your brother is almost exactly like mine.

About a week or two ago my brother wanted to have clams for dinner. I said that I was cool with him and my mom eating that ****, but I'd just go for some fastfood. Then he got so mad that he threw a fit and starting throwing stuff around in my room. ****er almost demolished my guitar. Then we didn't talk to each other for about 8 days.
Today we had paëlla for dinner, which I don't like. But I ate it without a single complaint. Then I spotted some clams in there. At that moment I realised why he'd been staring at me the whole time. Before I could even say anything, he yelled [i]'And you'd better eat it if you know what's good for you!'[/i]
Well, if there's any way to piss me off, it's acting like you have authority over me and bossing me around. Then he started yelling and walked away.

I also remember one time at 3 am. My brother and I got into an arguement and those usually end up in us fighting over something stupid. Eventually he started yelling and throwing stuff at me. I told him that I was entitled to my own opinion, to which he replied, yelling, that I didn't even know what I was saying.

And last weekend he got so mad that he broke the glass in one of the doors here.[/QUOTE]
laaaaame

i just want to punch my brother square in the face, maybe break his nose or something, just once, and ill be fine for the rest of my life lol

ill say it again, i dont think you really understand how these situations actually go down. if you ask me, to watch a loved one completely ruin their life, whether by addiction, lack of motivation, depression, whatever, and do nothing is to commit a much greater crime than to try and do something about it. i mean, what youre saying to do is what any sane person would call being a nonconfrontational pussy. if you saw someone walking on to a train to commit jihad, are you just gonna be like 'eh, his choice. and those people chose to ride the train today.'?

[QUOTE=Jaundice;17484303]people should be freely allowed to do literally anything they want to do as long as it doesn't physically harm other people.

****, I'd let my best friend kill himself in front of me if it was what he really wanted.[/QUOTE]

i'm good with very heavy persuasion, but never anything extreme. people should be constantly challenged. if they aren't then they become complacent with what's going on.

[QUOTE=Nepenthe;17484305]ill say it again, i dont think you really understand how these situations actually go down. if you ask me, to watch a loved one completely ruin their life, whether by addiction, lack of motivation, depression, whatever, and do nothing is to commit a much greater crime than to try and do something about it. i mean, what youre saying to do is what any sane person would call being a nonconfrontational slightly confuzzled sea lion. if you saw someone walking on to a train to commit jihad, are you just gonna be like 'eh, his choice. and those people chose to ride the train today.'?[/QUOTE]
Wow, i missed the part where doing harm to your own body and mind is in any way comparable to killing a train full of people.

There's a very big difference between being a "nonconfrontational slightly confuzzled sea lion" and believing that people deserve complete free will as long as they're not physically harming any one else.

eh im not really gonna keep having this conversation, because every post you make the only response i really have is 'you obviously have no experience in having somebody close to you **** up their life'

how do you feel about what i said anthony?

You're really scaring me bro.

But let's call it a truce

Neither one of us is right or wrong, we're just on different wavelengths

sup fellas

being bored....REALLY bored

not much right now, about to go to a meeting in a couple hours tho where i might run into gothic ex and find out for sure whether i should move on and find somebody else

sup with u bro

i was gonna check out some cars but it's still raining

oh well im too punx for a car

[QUOTE=Jaundice;17484321]You're really scaring me bro.

But let's call it a truce

Neither one of us is right or wrong, we're just on different wavelengths[/QUOTE]

well really the difference of wavelengths is due to my having lost countless friends to these very problems, and you very obviously having not had to deal with it at all