[QUOTE=Flower Dance]Wait woudn't saying that make him right? :p
Simple does not equal untalented[/QUOTE]

Yea I noticed that after I wrote it. :p

Anyone seen this:
[url]http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=51077[/url]

Is lars just talking junk again or could it be true:
"METALLICA's Lars Ulrich has exclusively revealed to Kerrang! magazine that the band's new material has an "old-school" METALLICA flavor."

Lars is talking junk again my friend, Prior to St Anger they where hyping it up to be going back to old school and all we got was just a CD with over an hours worth of mindless, bad production, uninspired crap. How long are they going to keep this up for exactly by the time we get to the year 2020 they are going to offically stat that as the return to old school. Iam sick of these promises I would seriously rather have it back in the Load,Reload days. After just hearing Mr Ulrich will be suing a Swedish metal industry for simple using the name Metallica which by no means reflects the band what so ever, I've come to the conclusion this band has simply gone too far down the road. The moment Cliff dropped the band were doomed he was the soul of the band. Fair play to Jason who had to step into his boots, not alot of bassists at the time could have done that aswell as take constant hazing from the band. Not even him could save them and I bet now he's just sitting back and thinking thank god I got out when I did. (I do appreciate good critizism but do keep in mind this is souley my opinion)

[QUOTE=timmySmi]Lars is talking junk again my friend, Prior to St Anger they where hyping it up to be going back to old school and all we got was just a CD with over an hours worth of mindless, bad production, uninspired crap. How long are they going to keep this up for exactly by the time we get to the year 2020 they are going to offically stat that as the return to old school. Iam sick of these promises I would seriously rather have it back in the Load,Reload days. After just hearing Mr Ulrich will be suing a Swedish metal industry for simple using the name Metallica which by no means reflects the band what so ever, I've come to the conclusion this band has simply gone too far down the road. The moment Cliff dropped the band were doomed he was the soul of the band. Fair play to Jason who had to step into his boots, not alot of bassists at the time could have done that aswell as take constant hazing from the band. Not even him could save them and I bet now he's just sitting back and thinking thank god I got out when I did. (I do appreciate good critizism but do keep in mind this is souley my opinion)[/QUOTE]


Good to see someone with common sense in this thread, who isn't blinded by their fanboyism.

well, St. Anger took Metallica back to their Thrash roots, sure it was crap but it was still thrash.

I think they aren't recording another St. Anger, even Metallica knows that the album was really bad.

Also, Cliff wasn't the soul of the band, AJFA is imo better than KEA and MOP and it was Burton-less.(except for TLITD but only lyrics)

I agree with you. ...AJFA has Metallica's best work, though some people say it bores them. That CD I've been rockin' for like 4 years and I still don't get tired of it.

[QUOTE=I'm Charming]Good to see someone with common sense in this thread, who isn't blinded by their fanboyism.[/QUOTE]

try looking Flower Dance, Butcher, Six Foot Revolver, Riva and Kyle's posts.

[QUOTE=timmySmi]Lars is talking junk again my friend, Prior to St Anger they where hyping it up to be going back to old school and all we got was just a CD with over an hours worth of mindless, bad production, uninspired crap. How long are they going to keep this up for exactly by the time we get to the year 2020 they are going to offically stat that as the return to old school. Iam sick of these promises I would seriously rather have it back in the Load,Reload days. After just hearing Mr Ulrich will be suing a Swedish metal industry for simple using the name Metallica which by no means reflects the band what so ever, I've come to the conclusion this band has simply gone too far down the road. The moment Cliff dropped the band were doomed he was the soul of the band. Fair play to Jason who had to step into his boots, not alot of bassists at the time could have done that aswell as take constant hazing from the band. Not even him could save them and I bet now he's just sitting back and thinking thank god I got out when I did. (I do appreciate good critizism but do keep in mind this is souley my opinion)[/QUOTE]

Lars is always talking out of his a[COLOR="White"]s[/COLOR]s. The band will never ever be the same. While they did show a few roots in the last album, I guarentee you it will never be like it used to be. As much as I would love it to be as amazing as the old stuff was, it won't be. Period.

I also hope Rick Rubin knows what sounds good. Bob Rock needed to say "Lars you sound awful" and "Guys your guitars sound less than garage quality."

[QUOTE]try looking Flower Dance, Butcher, Six Foot Revolver, Riva and Kyle's posts.[/QUOTE]

all great posters

Yea I wasn't a metallica fan when st. anger came out. I've only been listening to their music for like 2 years or so. In fact, when st. anger was coming out, I was listening to hip hop and good charlotte. So I really have no idea whether they hyped it up to be as return of thrash or whatever.

I think u guys r both wrong....u sometimes can't expect a band to write amazing stuff after 7 studioe albums and rehab...even though i do like some fo the riffs off "..Anger." Bottom line 'tallica sounds better live than most bands their age and older....and still kick some serious a** live...if the new album is half decent it'll be better than most crap these days....period! ROCK ON!!!!!

I'm not wrong. :smash: Actually no one is wrong, music is subjective.

But bands like Iron Maiden who have been making more albums and have been playing longer still haven't lost their touch. Metallica shouldn't either, but they're changing too much and every change is very different, and most people prefer their older music. It was just better. I just want them to release a good heavy metal album, doesn't have to be thrash, just add kick as[I]s[/I] riffs, a couple good solos, and decent drum sounds and it should be good. No idea what rob will add though, we'll see, but I dont think he'll make a big effect on metallica as Cliff did.

That's how I feel. Though I'd be super jazzed if they put forth a good old school thrash album, but I'd be really pleased with a good standard heavy metal album too.

exactly my thoughts. a thrash album would be released in a dream, to be realistic. and another like the Black Album, for me, would be a brilliant improvement on Anger. and its not to far-fetched either. i hope we dont get another like Anger.

[QUOTE=PepsiMetal] No idea what rob will add though, we'll see, but I dont think he'll make a big effect on metallica as Cliff did.[/QUOTE]Ahhh man, that's totally the wrong way to look at it. Why must Rob be in competition with Cliff, those are clearly not his intentions, all he wants to do is play his bass and make some great music. Sure it's a big space to fill, but hes neccesarilly trying to fill it, Rob can add a sound to Metallica that they have never had.

[QUOTE=PepsiMetal]I'm not wrong. :smash: Actually no one is wrong, music is subjective.

But bands like Iron Maiden who have been making more albums and have been playing longer still haven't lost their touch. Metallica shouldn't either, but they're changing too much and every change is very different, and most people prefer their older music. It was just better. I just want them to release a good heavy metal album, doesn't have to be thrash, just add kick as[I]s[/I] riffs, a couple good solos, and decent drum sounds and it should be good. No idea what rob will add though, we'll see, but I dont think he'll make a big effect on metallica as Cliff did.[/QUOTE]
when maiden tried to change direction, it nearly killed the band, as Adrian left, then Bruce. fortunately, that change gave them a massive kick up the a$s, so maybe the way St. Anger was recieved by fans will have hinted to 'tallica that the fans liked the way their music was before.
i know a lot of people don't like Load/Reload, but IMO there's some awesome tracks on those albums, such as Prince Charming, Outlaw Torn, Unforgiven II, Aint My Bitch, so personally i'd be happy if they just went back to that style.

I too would settle for just a regular metal album. As long as it isn't the mundane s'hit a la St Anger

I used to be a massive 'Tallica fan back in 2003/2004 when I was about 13 but even now, I still can't get on with Metallica's really early work. I'd love to see a more Black Album/Load oriented album next, possibly with some almost S7M style classical/orchestral bits.

That would be rather cool but on the whole, Metallica 91 - 97 = My fave Metallica.

i love all metallica. Load onwards, less so. i LOVE their thrash. it is venerable.

[QUOTE=heavy metal kid]
Also, Cliff wasn't the soul of the band, AJFA is imo better than KEA and MOP and it was Burton-less.(except for TLITD but only lyrics)[/QUOTE]

Sorry I have to disagree with that of course Cliff was, He was the must educated and musical minded person in the band. With his years of piano playing and following of classical music he brought an epic vibe into the band thats why we got classics like Ktulu, Orion, Fade To Black, Master Of Puppets. AJFA is a very bad album, bad production and very complacent I get bored of listening to it quickly. One is the ownly epic, classical song they've managed to do without Cliff Burton and I'd find it intresting to see what comes out this new album.

this is absolutely true, but Cliff was still not the singular soul of the band. but yes, Cliff definately gave a vibe. AJFA while not being better than KEA or MOP, or, for that matter, RTL, it was still a great album IMO. i really enjoyed it and still do. the riffs are grinding and raw, i really like it. and i love the sound of Lars' Bass pedal. in songs like Eye of the Beholder. I really dont mind that there is no bass in it. in fact, with a bassist the whole unique feel to AJFA would go.

and sorry, but how is it complacent? and there's nothing wrong with the production.:confused:

Who was Metallica's sould after Cliff's death? The only person I think it could've been is James.

aj4a just has bad quality.

Yeah. I'd like it more if it had decent production.

AJFA isn't boring, Blackened is the best opener for the band, either live or on an album, EotB has to be the most intelligent song, One is totally better than Sanitarium and more agressive than Fade to Black,TLITD is as epic as Call of Ktulu and Orion. The album is the most technical work Metallica has done.

The production?, it wasn't crap , turning the guitars loud, the weird sound of drums doesn't affect the music imo.

And the total lack of bass...well in past albums the bass wasn't real audible.(except for the obvious songs)

[QUOTE=Kyle]Ahhh man, that's totally the wrong way to look at it. Why must Rob be in competition with Cliff, those are clearly not his intentions, all he wants to do is play his bass and make some great music. Sure it's a big space to fill, but hes neccesarilly trying to fill it, Rob can add a sound to Metallica that they have never had.[/QUOTE]

Yea but was a songwriter, not just a bassist. He inspired rest of the guys to write better music. So basically it would be good if Rob does the same thing just different style. I mean if all he does is play bass we won't really notice any change except maybe a little better basslines. He doesn't need to be better than Cliff, just needs to inspire guys more. Jason imo, never inspired them nowhere as much as Cliff did.

[QUOTE=Josh]when maiden tried to change direction, it nearly killed the band, as Adrian left, then Bruce. fortunately, that change gave them a massive kick up the a$s, so maybe the way St. Anger was recieved by fans will have hinted to 'tallica that the fans liked the way their music was before.
i know a lot of people don't like Load/Reload, but IMO there's some awesome tracks on those albums, such as Prince Charming, Outlaw Torn, Unforgiven II, Aint My Bitch, so personally i'd be happy if they just went back to that style.[/QUOTE]

True, but Maiden never lost steve harris. If they loose him, the band won't write the same music. Now I know cliff wasn't the main composer, but he was probably the second. Iron Maiden did kinda change too, just not to a completely different genre like metallica. But see you like load/reload, so does steve harris I think, but most metallica fans don't.

[QUOTE=Flower Dance]Who was Metallica's sould after Cliff's death? The only person I think it could've been is James.[/QUOTE]

Yea it was James. He wrote riffs, lyrics, did vocals, some solos, etc.. If metallica loose James, there will be no metallica.

Also AJFA had some cliff material used too, so it wasn't completely cliff-less. :smoke:

[QUOTE=heavy metal kid]

The production?, it wasn't crap , turning the guitars loud, the weird sound of drums doesn't affect the music imo.

[/QUOTE]
exactly i love the sound on it. its amazin, unique and generally brilliant IMO. Blackened is such a great song.


[QUOTE=PepsiMetal]But see you like load/reload, so does steve harris I think, but most metallica fans don't. [/QUOTE]
that's not true.
[QUOTE=PepsiMetal]Also AJFA had some cliff material used too, so it wasn't completely cliff-less. :smoke:[/QUOTE]

cliffless. cool word. allthough it has an unfortunate meaning.

[QUOTE=PepsiMetal]Yea but was a songwriter, not just a bassist. He inspired rest of the guys to write better music. So basically it would be good if Rob does the same thing just different style. I mean if all he does is play bass we won't really notice any change except maybe a little better basslines. He doesn't need to be better than Cliff, just needs to inspire guys more. Jason imo, never inspired them nowhere as much as Cliff did.[/QUOTE]

Yea but that was because the rest of the guys (maybe except krik) never really respected Jason as the musician he is, or has a person for that matter.

The songs are incredibly long, and very repetitive. I get sooooooo
bored with every single one by the time they are nearing the midpoint, because they don't go anywhere. James voice lacks passion, it just feels sort of flat and boring. Also, His lyrics are full of silly metaphors, and don't seem very inspired. Kirk's solos aren't as good as anything earlier, he just seems intent on wanking his guitar too death, and the riffs in the songs are less inventive and exciting as well. Basically, I find it to be Metallica disenchanted, a completely uninspired outing from a band past their prime.
AJFA was the beginning of the end of Metallica.

95% of Jason's ideas were shot down by James & Lars. Which sort of explains why we only got 3 songs out of him over a 15 year period. With Flotsam & Jetsams Doomsday Deciever he had a writing credict on every song near enough to my knowledge.

Umm i think the lyrics are more direct than past albums, if you hear the lyrics of Master of Puppets are clearly full of metaphors or mindless stuff like Battery and Damage Inc.
The riffs are more complex than past albums, sure the lenght is problem in songs like The Frayed ends of Sanity and AJFA.
The voice is way better than MOP, RTL and KEA and James sounds likes his in anger, i think it was in this album when James voice tone became unique.

I have to agree with you, 95% of Jason's idea were shot down, the man is way talented and not even that, they never played anything from him, except Blackened but that was because the song was freaking good.

[QUOTE=PepsiMetal]Yea but was a songwriter, not just a bassist. He inspired rest of the guys to write better music. So basically it would be good if Rob does the same thing just different style. I mean if all he does is play bass we won't really notice any change except maybe a little better basslines. He doesn't need to be better than Cliff, just needs to inspire guys more. Jason imo, never inspired them nowhere as much as Cliff did.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I think I agree when you put it like that. But it's not really down to Rob, Lars and James will decide how much imput he has on the songwriting, hopefully they will really let him express himself.

[QUOTE=timmySmi]The songs are incredibly long, and very repetitive. I get sooooooo
bored with every single one by the time they are nearing the midpoint, because they don't go anywhere. James voice lacks passion, it just feels sort of flat and boring. Also, His lyrics are full of silly metaphors, and don't seem very inspired. Kirk's solos aren't as good as anything earlier, he just seems intent on wanking his guitar too death, and the riffs in the songs are less inventive and exciting as well. Basically, I find it to be Metallica disenchanted, a completely uninspired outing from a band past their prime.
AJFA was the beginning of the end of Metallica.[/QUOTE]
i disagree entirely. james' voice doesn't lack passion. i think your ears are misted by the power in which his voice invested in the ajfa vocals. i love it. to live is to die cannot be sanely said to be "less inventive/exiting" IMO. justice, the song, is full of what i hear to be basic but grindingly brutal riffs, and, in the vocals, with some [I]clever[/I] metaphors aswell. the Blackened riffs own. and Kirks solos are different from those from the previous albums, but brilliant. ajfa was a step away from their thrash, and this is what i think you are objecting to. while being a step away from thrash, it was a far step from Black Album. Thereon, many fans exclude their music because they are pure heavymetalheads, with no ability to have flexability in their listening. Thereon, indeed, the albums are just as metallica as ever, despite not being thrash.

one must accept that they had lost an important band member, which is bound to have an impact on the band's play. for me, it was a change that tragically turned them from their previous era, but on the other hand turned to an equally talented bunch of songs.

[QUOTE=timmySmi]95% of Jason's ideas were shot down by James & Lars.[/QUOTE]
that's because they were early inspirations of Jason's solo work, Echobrain, which when listened to is blatently not metallica. Lars, in the hands of whom by power is held the fate of the bands genre, identified this and would not let it happen. Jason, when allowed to have an input with more than 50% of his overall ideas, would have lead metallica away from their true sound, IMO. more so than the departure of Cliff.