[QUOTE=In Chains 36]Uhh, sure. But that doesn't guarantee that it'll be better.[/QUOTE]

I trust in Tool to not make bad music. I honestly don't think they have a capacity for it. Any progression will be for the better, and at the very least, it will be as good as their previous efforts.

[QUOTE=kombucha mushroom mofo]:lol: Don't worry, we've been through this before. Danny did say that they would have some Meshuggah influence, but don't make it seem like Tool is going to become a death metal band. It could be any aspect of Meshuggah that Tool is being influenced by. It could very well be their heaviness, Tool could be taking some of Meshuggah's 'mathematica' cues, or maybe Adam is busting out with an 8 string, just as Meshuggah's 2 guitarists did on their album "Nothing."

It seems like I have said this exact same thing here. What do you think Kage? :lol:[/QUOTE]

:lol: Thank you for taking care of that. Who knows what'll happen. I do believe it will be good, whatever it is. I don't see the 8-string action happening though. :p

[QUOTE=kombucha mushroom mofo]:lol: Don't worry, we've been through this before. Danny did say that they would have some Meshuggah influence, but don't make it seem like Tool is going to become a death metal band. It could be any aspect of Meshuggah that Tool is being influenced by. It could very well be their heaviness, Tool could be taking some of Meshuggah's 'mathematica' cues, or maybe Adam is busting out with an 8 string, just as Meshuggah's 2 guitarists did on their album "Nothing."

It seems like I have said this exact same thing here. What do you think Kage? :lol:[/QUOTE]

You seem to know some stuff about this band. What do they sound like?

Edit: Come on, guys. Give me a little more credit than that. :lol:
There are a lot of things I don't like about death metal bands though. A lot of small elements that I wouldn't like to see Tool add in. :-/

[QUOTE=Otherside]I trust in Tool to not make bad music. I honestly don't think they have a capacity for it. Any progression will be for the better, and at the very least, it will be as good as their previous efforts.[/QUOTE]

Alice in Chains got worse. I guess I'm a pessimist. :lol:

[QUOTE=In Chains 36]You seem to know some stuff about this band. What do they sound like?[/QUOTE]

If you're referring to Meshuggah, they're an extreme math metal band, or at least that's how I've heard it described. Their songs are very complex rhythmically, and have almost a robotic feel. They're really heavy though, and I like them for what they are.

[QUOTE=In Chains 36]Alice in Chains got worse. I guess I'm a pessimist. :lol:[/QUOTE]


Alice in Chains were also mostly a Grunge band, in which change isn't really figured in. I guess if Tool DID get worse, I'd loose my faith in music.

Well, they're one of those very hard-to-define bands. I'd say mathematical-death-prog-industrial metal. They're some of the heaviest stuff I have heard. Granted, I don't generally listen to very much metal, but still, it's pretty brutal. It's also hard to listen to for long periods of time due to the complexity of their songs. One of their more interesting songs "Stengah" is written in 11/8 time. They typically do a lot of this kind of very complex time signature, coupled with polyrythms, etc...

I'd reccomend "I" and "Stengah." And also, Thomas Haake, their drummer, is a madman. If him and Carey had a child, he would be the greatest drumemr ever to walk the face of the planet. Too bad they're both dudes. :upset:

kombucha, are you a Meshuggah fan? Because IMO their songs are great, and I love the complexity of it, but I just can't listen to it for too long.

[QUOTE=Kage]:lol: Thank you for taking care of that. Who knows what'll happen. I do believe it will be good, whatever it is. I don't see the 8-string action happening though. :p[/QUOTE]

Not a big fan of Drop F, eh? :lol:

EDIT to Kage: I wouldn't really call myself a huge Meshuggah fan, but I do enjoy their music, in moderation of course. They are all very talented musicians. It takes a very musically adept human to be able to play a song in that magnitude of complexity. In other words, I cannot do what they can, so I admire them. :lol:

[QUOTE=Otherside]Alice in Chains were also mostly a Grunge band, in which change isn't really figured in. I guess if Tool DID get worse, I'd loose my faith in music.[/QUOTE]

No, they did change. And btw, grunge just denotes location and a general blues style; not really that specific.

AiC went from slower metal (Facelift: awesome) to a dark grunge sound (Dirt: awesome) to lighter, melodic acoustic stuff(Jar of Flies: meh) to mediocre rock (self titled).

[QUOTE=In Chains 36]No, they did change. And btw, grunge just denotes location and a general blues style; not really that specific.[/QUOTE]


What I meant was that change isn't a big factor in Grunge, and that transitions from one style to another arn't usually sucesfull.

[QUOTE=kombucha mushroom mofo]Not a big fan of Drop F, eh? :lol:[/QUOTE]

Nah, it's sweet for Meshuggah's use, but just wouldn't fit with much else, Tool being a prime example. Adam is able to write great heavy (heavy enough, at least) riffs with Drop-D.

I don't believe AiC were Grunge.

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Tool said they were influenced by Fantomas and Meshuggah because "they're heavy and intelligent". So hopefully that doesn't mean they're as repetitive as Meshuggah.

[QUOTE=kombucha mushroom mofo]:
I decided to put on Jimmy and find out why I don't really like it. So far, I liked the intro riff, until the bass enters. Chancellor's tone sounds a little too much like Fieldy's bass does. :confused:
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I'm listening to Jimmy now and i don't seem to hear any similarities to Fieldy.
i like this song, really like the part where he sings "Under a dead ohio sky" and that faint singing part. to me this song feels like one of tools heavier songs. IMO. also, i think the bass has a rhythmic heavy tone to it, and that songs pretty fun and skillful to play.

^^^ Yeah, that's a great song in my opinion.

whats sad about Tool also is that most people don't hear the bass, they mostly hear guitar and can mix them up like the beginning of pu****. being a bass player, justins riff's are pretty hard to get the sound he gets, his stuffs really rhythmical and calmish, while Pauls stuff sounded more grundgier. imagine how Tool would've sounded if Paul hadn't left?

OMGzz you bash push!t...!!!

That has the best tool moment in it... The line 'If you say i may dafe like a sigh if I stay, you minimise my movements anyway...' Up untill just after the 'remember i will always love you...' line :)

The bit in reflection, described by JoZ is also very cool...

And the third eye part too 'so glad to see you'

There are so many...

jimmy is the only Tool song I describe as dark. Very depressing.

But it's also very exciting. It's got my favourite scream (rrrrrrrrrrrrHAAAAAHHH!!!!) of any band.

The only Tool songs that don't reach a level of euphoria for me are H. and Flood.

H.; is frickin hardcore when he goes "I DON'T MIIIIIIND!!!" but that's the only good part. Much too radio-friendly for me.

Flood: Fricking hell I love the start to this song. Second best part on Undertow (next to the intro to Crawl Away), but the rest is pretty lame.

[QUOTE=clearvision]OMGzz you bash push!t...!!!

That has the best tool moment in it... The line 'If you say i may dafe like a sigh if I stay, you minimise my movements anyway...' Up untill just after the 'remember i will always love you...' line :)

The bit in reflection, described by JoZ is also very cool...

And the third eye part too 'so glad to see you'

There are so many...[/QUOTE]


I was waiting for you to back me up on Pu**** :p

[QUOTE=Werny]jimmy is the only Tool song I describe as dark. Very depressing.

But it's also very exciting. It's got my favourite scream (rrrrrrrrrrrrHAAAAAHHH!!!!) of any band.

The only Tool songs that don't reach a level of euphoria for me are H. and Flood.

H.; is frickin hardcore when he goes "I DON'T MIIIIIIND!!!" but that's the only good part. Much too radio-friendly for me.

Flood: Fricking hell I love the start to this song. Second best part on Undertow (next to the intro to Crawl Away), but the rest is pretty lame.[/QUOTE]

H is one of my Tool favorites.
it's just wonderfull lyrics, and MJK's clean vocals are so beautyfull.
but that's my opinion.

we don't seem to share many similairites as far as music goes, you find meshhuggah boring anf repetitive, and it's one of my favortite bands.

what songs have you heard by them, that you find boring?
I could send you a song to prove the oppsite if you want.

Is it me or does Prison Sex creep you guys out sometimes?

Prison Sex is a great song. Try to listen to it metaphorically and maybe then your tolerance of it will rise.

prison sex is awsome, maynard was one of the best writers and definatly one of the best singers ever imo

was? he still is...

new audioslave song rock0rz

It is pretty good.

[QUOTE=Unstable Mind]Is it me or does Prison Sex creep you guys out sometimes?[/QUOTE]
Well the lyrics are deftintly odd, But the ending is great where Maynard says "You look so precious..".

Easily the greatest part of any song ever is during H. "And when the walls come down, and theres a lookin your..." until the I don't mind part.

Ive recently have gotten into the song H, For some reason. I started to listen to Aenema more now, Then Lateralus or Undertow.

[QUOTE=Street Spirit (Fade Out)]Easily the greatest part of any song ever is during H. "And when the walls come down, and theres a lookin your..." until the I don't mind part.[/QUOTE]

That's definately one of my favorites.

Tool are just amazing!

I'm actually sitting here listening to jerkoff, and wearing a tool t-shirt, so i guess i could say i was a fan :p