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TheDMV 10-15-2005 07:59 PM

I like the Big East in basketball. Go 'Cuse.

RiceMonster 10-15-2005 07:59 PM

[quote=jpj]I couldn't really give two ****s about any of those teams.

/Big East :upset:[/quote]
I couldn't give two sh[size=2]i[/size]t's about football. :p

/Hockey fan

/happy 'cause the Leafs beat Montreal

Shadows 10-15-2005 08:00 PM

I don't care about [I]any[/I] sports!

[QUOTE=jpj]I didn't even know Simple Man still posted often.[/QUOTE]
I had never even heard of him until now.

jpj 10-15-2005 08:02 PM

The Big East has become one of the best basketball conferences (but has lost almost all football credibilty it once had with the loss of VT and Miami), too bad I don't even like basketball.

TheDMV 10-15-2005 08:08 PM

[QUOTE=RiceMonster]I couldn't give two sh[size=2]i[/size]t's about football. :p

/Hockey fan

/happy 'cause the Leafs beat Montreal[/QUOTE]

Hockey is allright, I guess. If I had to pick a favrite team I'd go with my hometown Flyers.


/Acho[URL="http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=403138"]o[/URL]o

Joe 10-15-2005 08:24 PM

[QUOTE=TheDMV]Hockey is allright, I guess. If I had to pick a favrite team I'd go with my hometown Flyers.


/Acho[URL="http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=403138"]o[/URL]o[/QUOTE]

The caps should have beaten them...

I like the new MX styles and stuff, the editing is nice

/am siked about it! :lol:

Six Foot Revolver 10-15-2005 08:52 PM

[QUOTE=ShadowsFallen]So far I've seen Liberi, morrisey, and Simple Man have been modded. Morrisey is a sputnik mod but I'm not sure about the other two.[/QUOTE]
They are all pit user which may explain why you don't know them.

Joe 10-15-2005 08:56 PM

Are you sure about all of this? Usually MX puts some kind of annoucement or thread in the Site forum about new mods and there isn't anything.

edit: Nevermind. I just saw a morrisey post and she's modded. I don't know about the others though. And DBJ did a thread in video games for liberi.

Joe 10-15-2005 09:00 PM

[QUOTE=Spat Out Plath]Moresi is a girl :eek:[/QUOTE]

Didn't know that, sorry

/feels bad... :upset:

edited :thumb:

Shadows 10-15-2005 09:30 PM

I'm not much of a pit poster, so I wouldn't know

Jom 10-15-2005 09:33 PM

Test.

Sorry, but there really isn't any other place I can test this.

So, uh, NP: SNL Celebrity Jeopardies

Shadows 10-15-2005 09:35 PM

Well Alex, this looks like my lucky day. I'll take the rapists for $1000.

...no ,that's [I]therapists[/I].

//

And you wagered: Suck it Trebek

TheDMV 10-15-2005 09:43 PM

I'll take condom thing for 8,000 please.

I'll take Ape Tit for 400 please

Cain 10-15-2005 10:41 PM

What's happening, folks? I haven't been here in a while. :)

I am currently taking a break from writing my music to write a novel. At first I suspected it would fall flat after 20 pages like all my other ones, but I'm currently at about 34,000 words now, almost 70 novel-pages (single-spaced, BTW). It's coming together really well. It's a World War II historical novel with lots and lots of thriller conventions and intrigue. There's also a political commentary, but right now I'm developing the spy caper side. It's quite exciting. I've gotten good feedback from my fiction professors also.

Other than that not much is new. What is everyone else up to?

Also, :eek: at all the new mods. I honestly expected Riva to be modded by now, though, or Med given powers in Politics at least. But congrats, Liberi's always helping out and Morrissey's a model poster.

Kurtz 10-15-2005 11:00 PM

[QUOTE=TheDMV]Any thought on today's college football games?

I was overall pretty dissapointed because MSU, PSU, and Notre Dame lost, the two latter losing in the final seconds.[/QUOTE]

Read what I said in the College Football 2006 thread in Sports. I think it was one of the greatest sports games I've ever seen. It was incredible.
[QUOTE=Cain]I am currently taking a break from writing my music to write a novel. At first I suspected it would fall flat after 20 pages like all my other ones, but I'm currently at about 34,000 words now, almost 70 novel-pages (single-spaced, BTW). It's coming together really well. It's a World War II historical novel with lots and lots of thriller conventions and intrigue. There's also a political commentary, but right now I'm developing the spy caper side. It's quite exciting. I've gotten good feedback from my fiction professors also. [/QUOTE]

That's great, man. Who's side is the point-of-view on, the Axis or Allies? I always thought it'd be pretty interesting to have a novel where it actually makes you sympathize with the Nazis, like a Das Boot novel, you know. Another movie like Das Boot would be great.

When do you think it could be published?

Kingofdudes 10-15-2005 11:09 PM

This is the first time I have been on a computer all weekend :eek: One of the better weekends I have had for a while. Im gonna be in the school newspaper in a picture for an article. Pics coming


Oh yeah, got my Cynic CD in today :cool:

NP: Cynic - Im but a wave to...

Shadows 10-15-2005 11:10 PM

Was it the remastered version of Focus? With all the bonus tracks?

Steerpike 10-15-2005 11:15 PM

[QUOTE=Cain]What's happening, folks? I haven't been here in a while. :)

I am currently taking a break from writing my music to write a novel. At first I suspected it would fall flat after 20 pages like all my other ones, but I'm currently at about 34,000 words now, almost 70 novel-pages (single-spaced, BTW). It's coming together really well. It's a World War II historical novel with lots and lots of thriller conventions and intrigue. There's also a political commentary, but right now I'm developing the spy caper side. It's quite exciting. I've gotten good feedback from my fiction professors also.

Other than that not much is new. What is everyone else up to?[/QUOTE]

Hey dude. I'd like to see this novel you're working on.

I'm feeling kind of emo because a professor I have this semester is just winging it and the assignments she's creating have dramatically cut into my writing time. I haven't worked on a script in two weeks. :upset:

Kingofdudes 10-15-2005 11:18 PM

[QUOTE=ShadowsFallen]Was it the remastered version of Focus? With all the bonus tracks?[/QUOTE]
There is one? :(


[url=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v369/kingfoodguy/Picture437.jpg]Gas prices kill![/url]
[url=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v369/kingfoodguy/Picture436.jpg]WTF?[/url]

Shadows 10-15-2005 11:19 PM

Yes, there is.

Those prices are low comapred to what we're paying over here. :mad:

Jom 10-15-2005 11:19 PM

$2.75 for unleaded is OUTSTANDING where I live. I'm just glad I don't drive diesel.

Shadows 10-15-2005 11:20 PM

We've gotten used to paying over $3.00 a gallon for unleaded, if that's possible.

Kurtz 10-15-2005 11:22 PM

[QUOTE=Jom]$2.75 for unleaded is OUTSTANDING where I live.[/QUOTE]

That's the norm where I live.

In San Diego, it's around $3.05.

Kingofdudes 10-15-2005 11:23 PM

There is no way in hell I am ever gonna get a truck, I love my car's gas mileage.

Kurtz 10-15-2005 11:24 PM

[QUOTE=Kingofdudes]There is no way in hell I am ever gonna get a truck, I love my car's gas mileage.[/QUOTE]
Some guy down the block from me bought a Hummer a couple weeks ago.

wtf

Cain 10-15-2005 11:25 PM

[QUOTE=Kurtz]
That's great, man. Who's side is the point-of-view on, the Axis or Allies? I always thought it'd be pretty interesting to have a novel where it actually makes you sympathize with the Nazis, like a Das Boot novel, you know. Another movie like Das Boot would be great.

When do you think it could be published?[/QUOTE]

I sort of do that.

The basic point of the plot is: Germany manages to capture valuable intelligence (maybe including a scientist, although I'm debating the realism of this) on America's Manhattan Project that allows Germany's scientists to solve a critical flaw in their atomic bomb experiments, and thus hasten their progress towards Germany getting a bomb of their own. But the plot is much more filled with intrigue and lots of subplots.

It opens with a low-ranking SS security chief, once on a fast track but sidelined by a freak incident where a high-ranking SS officer raped his wife. The belief that he was deliberately targeted by this atrocity haunts him, and since the rapist was a superior, he can't report it. He is hired by Walter Schellenberg, chief of the SD, in an effort to acquire intelligence about the loyalties of the scientists and the SS general, Fischer, in charge of Germany's main atomic bomb project. He readily agrees, oblivious to Schellenberg's obvious ulterior motive in the effort to gain control of the project, thinking he's on the fast track once more.

However, Schellenberg faces stiff competition from the general, Fischer, a Gestapo thug, and Heinrich Himmler, whose obsession with the occult has gradually increased even as his obsessive racism has relaxed. This first section is told entirely from the perspective of the Germans, and the thing I was hoping to accomplish is to dispel a general impression about both Germany's wartime structure and the architects of the Holocaust. By making this a tale of Nazi intrigue, it becomes clear that not only was the Third Reich much more disorganized and inefficient than it is typically portrayed (full of intense competition for Hitler's favor and spying amongst each other), but also that the Holocaust's architects were human in certain ways and even sensible in others, making their twisted logic seem right and therefore even more disturbing. This is especially the case with my portrayal of Himmler, who I see a certainly far less dogmatic racist than he once was (by the end of the war, for instance, he hit upon the idea of trading Jews for trucks, assassinating Hitler so that peace with the Western Allies could occur, and alowing Slavs and Muslims into the SS), but still obsessed with a fantasy world of arcane occultism, twisting history to support his case. But most importantly, it exposes the accurate Nazi belief that the true enemies were capitalism and Communism, and shows that if they could force peace with the Western Allies, they could join forces against Russia. This prediction ended up being remarkably accurate when the Cold War is taken into consideration.

The later half deals with the Allied attempts to recover the said espionage from the Germans before they can produce the bomb. But the focus of the Americans is remarkably unconcerned with the Germans: they are more concerned with what would happen if the Russians realized that the Americans were working on the project. Therefore, all attempts to recover this information must take place in secret without the knowledge of the Russians. The strange shift in focus to Russia as the primary enemy, even before the defeat of Germany is where the primary criticism of American political values comes into play.

The story is also set against the backdrop of the political climate of 1985: a reporter is technically being told this heretofore secret story by a survivor of Peenemunde's concentration camp (Peenemunde was where Wernher von Braun and Arthur Rudolph, men who put Americans on the moon, built V-2 ballistic missiles on the backs of Jewish and Russian laborers). Hence, the last Nazis are being persecuted, but there's an element of too-little-too-late, as the crass disregard for the moral implications of America using war criminals to wage the Cold War by our intelligence agencies is already exposed, which makes the shift in focus from Germany to Russia more obvious and the striking (and disturbing) similarities between America and Nazi Germany more evident, typically ignored though they are as America is so often portrayed as the hero and Nazi Germany as a land of irredeemable villians. The point of the story is that the Cold War was a situation in which the irredeemable villian of politics and ideology usurped the human laws of morality, which led to the disgraces of America AND the USSR using Holocaust criminals to fight each other with literally no consideration for the moral impact of such a decision.

And it's pretty much a spy/war novel. The major points are shown in the telling of the story. I do my best to use as many real events as possible and real people and fictionalize their lives around the exagerrated premise. It's something I've tried to write before, but I'm doing quite well now. I don't know about publication, I would need to mail it in. But yeah. There you go.

EDIT: That had a lot of run-on sentences, but it's pretty clear in the writing. Sorry, I was sort of trying to communicate all the ideas I was trying to tackle. It's an ambitious story, I think. I'm certainly trying for a lot.

Shadows 10-15-2005 11:25 PM

[QUOTE=Kurtz]Some guy down the block from me bought a Hummer a couple weeks ago.

wtf[/QUOTE]
Hummer's are physical proof that Americans are stupid when it comes to cars, especially in this day and age.

RiceMonster 10-15-2005 11:28 PM

Hey, why does Superpeer have 10 stars, and Ken has none?

Kingofdudes 10-15-2005 11:32 PM

:eek: The "Spelling" avatar is back!

Steerpike 10-15-2005 11:34 PM

[QUOTE=Cain]And it's pretty much a spy/war novel. The major points are shown in the telling of the story. I do my best to use as many real events as possible and real people and fictionalize their lives around the exagerrated premise. It's something I've tried to write before, but I'm doing quite well now. I don't know about publication, I would need to mail it in. But yeah. There you go.[/QUOTE]

Actually, I think you have something here, but a better route would be to self-publish. Amazon.com will stock your book is you just ask them to. And getting someone to print the book isn't a problem.

Worst-case scenario, with the ubiquitous nature of notebooks and palm pilots, e-books are catching on quick.

And given the archaic ways many publishers are run these days, you're better off just selling the book online, or distributing paperback copies out of the trunk of your car in a parking lot.


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